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Departure (Conversations)

2011-10-04T12:54:45Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1967 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1967 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_0" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<div class="heading">After His departure His followers will come, and they will search in the temple that Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not there.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Twenty-four years. It is just after His sannyāsa. He took sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four. So He's visiting. After sannyāsa He's going to Jagannātha Purī. On the way He visited this Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha, Sākṣi-gopāla, and ultimately He came to Jagannātha temple. And in the Jagannātha temple was very crowded temple because it is always at least 500, 1,000 devotees are always seeing. It is significance of Jagannātha temple. So He entered and as soon as He saw Jagannātha He became overwhelmed with ecstasy and fell down unconscious. So all the people gathered, "He's a young sannyāsī. He has fallen down." So there was Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, the learned scholar of Purī. He saw, "Oh, this young sannyāsī, He's not ordinary." So he asked his men to carry Him to his place and that will be the scene. Then after His departure His followers will come, and they will search in the temple that Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not there. Then one Gopīnātha Ācārya, I think the character is there? Gopīnātha Ācārya?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Now is this the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, Gopīnātha Ācārya.</p>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_1" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<div class="heading">His men took away Caitanya Mahāprabhu's body unconscious, and Sārvabhauma also and exit. Then after their departure His party entered the temple.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So just note down. First of all, Caitanya Mahāprabhu enters the temple. As soon as He sees Jagannātha He becomes fainted and fell down unconscious. So all the visitors, they became astonished that here is a young sannyāsī and how is that He has fallen down? But Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya noted that He is a high-grade sannyāsī. So he asked his men that "You carry this body, unconscious body to my place." So his men took away Caitanya Mahāprabhu's body unconscious, and Sārvabhauma also and exit. Then after their departure His party entered the temple. Nityānanda, Gadādhara, and Murāri, all these men entered. So Gopīnātha Ācārya was present there. He was known to Gadādhara and Gadādhara inquired that is there any sannyāsī who came here? Then Gopīnātha Ācārya said, "Yes, we have seen one sannyāsī. He fell down in ecstasy and Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya has taken Him to his home." So he invited, "All right, you come with me. I am taking you there." So all the parties were taken to Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's place.</p>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_2" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<div class="heading">After his departure the body was taken by Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself, and other devotees took him to the seaside and dug his graveyard. That grave is still in Jagannātha Purī. Haridāsa Ṭhākura's samādhi, tomb.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: After his departure the body was taken by Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself, and other devotees took him to the seaside and dug his graveyard. That grave is still in Jagannātha Purī. Haridāsa Ṭhākura's samādhi, tomb. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu began to dance. That was the ceremony. Because in a Vaiṣṇava ceremony, everything is kīrtana and dance. So that was His last ceremony of Haridāsa Ṭhākura.</p>
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<div id="LordCaitanyaPlayToldtoTamalaKrsnaAugust41969LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles" link_text="Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles">
<div class="heading">Haridāsa Ṭhākura's... Niryāna. This is called departure of Haridāsa Ṭhākura.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles|Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text">So next day, when Caitanya Mahāprabhu came, Haridāsa Ṭhākura said, "Sir, today I wish to leave. So You please stand before me." So Caitanya Mahāprabhu also could understand that he's leaving. So He asked His devotees to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and in the presence of Caitanya Mahāprabhu he left. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu took this body, and Himself He went... He carried the body. He was very stout and strong. And He was dancing and... Then He went to the seaside, and He bathed the body, and in His own hands He buried Caitanya, uh, Haridāsa Ṭhākura's body within the sand. So that burial place is still there in Purī, Haridāsa Ṭhākura's samādhi. Then He personally went to the shopkeepers and begged prasādam. "You give Me some prasādam." All people gave Him so many things. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was so well-known. So He asked all the devotees to take prasādam after the burial ceremony was over. In this way Haridāsa Ṭhākura's... Niryāna. This is called departure of Haridāsa Ṭhākura. That is stated in Caitanya-caritāmṛta.
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<div id="MorningWalkJune131974Paris_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="113" link="Morning Walk -- June 13, 1974, Paris" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 13, 1974, Paris">
<div class="heading">Why you are claiming, "This is France," "This is Europe," "This is America," "This is mine," "This is mine..."? You must know as it remained, it was there before my birth, and it will remain after my departure. Then how it belongs to you?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 13, 1974, Paris|Morning Walk -- June 13, 1974, Paris]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: You don't know Kṛṣṇa, but it belongs to somebody. He may be named as Kṛṣṇa or something else. That doesn't matter. But it is, it does not belong to you. How you can deny it? You have come here... Suppose I have come here, in Paris. I stay here for one week, two. Does it mean Paris is mine? Similarly, you come from the womb of your mother and stay here, say, fifty years. That is mean yours? The same example. Does it mean that the world belongs to you? Why you are claiming, "This is France," "This is Europe," "This is America," "This is mine," "This is mine..."? Before your birth it was there, and when you go, it will remain there. So how you claim that it is yours? So you don't... You must know as it remained, it was there before my birth, and it will remain after my departure. Then how it belongs to you? What is the answer?
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationOctober131977Vrndavana_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="248" link="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">Arrange for such conference one after another, many... Do something for that before my departure.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: He himself is a man from the United Nations, experienced, and he thought Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if we can push forward, it will be best in the world. That was his opinion.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: He had a great respect for our movement. I didn't know him before. He's a very well known educationist also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So, Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, how do you like?</p>
<p>Kīrtanānanda: The conference? I think it's wonderful.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is the beginning. And arrange for such conference one after another, many... Do something for that before my departure. I can see something. Oh (indistinct), make like that. Or smite.</p>
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Fall down from (Letters)

2011-10-03T11:46:18Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Correspondence" text="1947 to 1965 Correspondence"><h3>1947 to 1965 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMahatmaGandhiCawnpore12July1947_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="1" link="Letter to Mahatma Gandhi -- Cawnpore 12 July, 1947" link_text="Letter to Mahatma Gandhi -- Cawnpore 12 July, 1947">
<div class="heading">If you, however, remain satisfied with such temporary position only and do not try to know the Absolute Truth, then surely you are to fall down from the artificially exalted position under the laws of Nature.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mahatma Gandhi -- Cawnpore 12 July, 1947|Letter to Mahatma Gandhi -- Cawnpore 12 July, 1947]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">But I know that you never underwent such transcendental training except some severe penances which you invented for your purpose as you have invented so many things in the course of experimenting with the relative truths. You might have easily avoided them if you had approached the Guru as abovementioned. But your sincere efforts to attain some Godly qualities by austerities etc surely have raised you to some higher position which you can better utilize for the purpose of the Absolute Truth. If you, however, remain satisfied with such temporary position only and do not try to know the Absolute Truth, then surely you are to fall down from the artificially exalted position under the laws of Nature. But if you really want to approach the Absolute Truth and want to do some real good to the people in general all over the world, which shall include your ideas of unity, peace and non-violence, then you must give up the rotten politics immediately and rise up for the preaching work of the philosophy and religion of "Bhagavad-gita" without offering unnecessary and dogmatic interpretations on them. I had occasionally discussed this subject in my paper "Back to Godhead" and a leaf from the same is enclosed herewith for your reference.</p>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSatsvarupaMontreal3July1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="222" link="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Montreal 3 July, 1968" link_text="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Montreal 3 July, 1968">
<div class="heading">When Sukaracharya advised him contrary to his previous instructions, specifically, he checked Bali Maharaja in the matter of worshiping Visnu, and thus Sukaracharya became at once fallen down from the position of becoming a spiritual master.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Satsvarupa -- Montreal 3 July, 1968|Letter to Satsvarupa -- Montreal 3 July, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Question 3, answer: Why Bali Maharaja is considered a Mahajana: Bali Maharaja is Mahajana because he wanted to serve Visnu by disobeying his non-bona fide spiritual master. As explained above, Sukracarya was hereditary spiritual master by seminic succession. But Bali Maharaja first revolted against this stereotyped seminic succession spiritual master, and therefore he is Mahajana. Srila Jiva Goswami has described in his Karamasandharvha that one should be anxious to accept a spiritual master who is bona fide in spiritual knowledge. And if need be one should relinquish the connection of hereditary spiritual master and accept a real bona fide spiritual master. So when Sukaracharya advised him contrary to his previous instructions, specifically, he checked Bali Maharaja in the matter of worshiping Visnu, and thus Sukaracharya became at once fallen down from the position of becoming a spiritual master. Nobody can become a spiritual master who is not a devotee of Visnu. A brahmana may be very expert in the matter of performing Vedic rituals, accepting charities, and distributing wealth—all these are exalted qualifications of the brahmanas, but the Vedic injunction is, in spite of possessing all these qualities, if somebody is against Lord Visnu, he cannot be a spiritual master. So when Sukaracharya advised Bali Maharaja against Visnu, he at once became unqualified for becoming a spiritual master. Bali Maharaja disobeyed such unqualified spiritual master, and therefore, he is accepted as Mahajana. Mahajana means a personality whose footprints should be followed. So, his exemplary behavior in rejecting a non-Vaisnava spiritual master being ideal to the bona fide students, he is considered a Mahajana.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHarerNamaLosAngeles21December1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="509" link="Letter to Harer Nama -- Los Angeles 21 December, 1968" link_text="Letter to Harer Nama -- Los Angeles 21 December, 1968">
<div class="heading">Your second question about falling down from the brahmajyoti is answered that it is not that one must fall down, but that they generally fall down.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Harer Nama -- Los Angeles 21 December, 1968|Letter to Harer Nama -- Los Angeles 21 December, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your second question about falling down from the brahmajyoti is answered that it is not that one must fall down, but that they generally fall down. There is a verse in Srimad-Bhagavatam, 10th canto, 2nd chapter, verse 26, which says: "My Dear Lotus Eyed Personality of Godhead, persons who are very proud of becoming one with the brahma effulgence and thereby consider that they have become liberated are factually in a contaminated consciousness on account of the absence of devotional service unto You. Such persons may rise to a high level of spiritual understanding as far as the impersonal brahmajyoti but on account of the lack of devotional service unto You, they generally fall down again into material contamination."</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMadhusudanaLosAngeles24January1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="57" link="Letter to Madhusudana -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969" link_text="Letter to Madhusudana -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Madhusudana -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969|Letter to Madhusudana -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding the blood and puss from the sky during the battle between Varaha and Hiranyaksa, you should know that if Krishna desires blood, puss, fire, or whatever He desires may fall down from the sky.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaLosAngeles24July1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="471" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1969" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1969">
<div class="heading">A spirit soul who falls down from the Brahmajyoti to the Kingdom of Maya may have a chance of associating with a pure devotee, and then he may be elevated to the spiritual planets of Vaikuntha or to Goloka Vrindaban.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1969|Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In the Bhagavad-gita it is clearly said by the Lord that the only way of not coming back to the material world is to be promoted to the spiritual planets. For the impersonalists there is no such assurance of not falling down in the whole Vedic literature. The conclusion is that without developing the spiritual body and without being situated on one of the spiritual planets, the so-called liberation is also illusion, or it is not complete. A spirit soul who falls down from the Brahmajyoti to the Kingdom of Maya may have a chance of associating with a pure devotee, and then he may be elevated to the spiritual planets of Vaikuntha or to Goloka Vrindaban. From the Brahmajyoti there is no direct promotion to the spiritual planets, and it is clearly stated in the Bhagavatam that such souls fall down: patanty adha.</p>
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<div id="LettertoMadhudvisaLosAngeles26January1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="53" link="Letter to Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 26 January, 1970" link_text="Letter to Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 26 January, 1970">
<div class="heading">We are actually following the principles of pure living in Krishna Consciousness, but it appears that these followers of the Christian philosophy have fallen down from the transcendental platform.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 26 January, 1970|Letter to Madhudvisa -- Los Angeles 26 January, 1970]]: </span><div class="text">One has to understand from the practical point of view. A man is judged by his activities. We see that they are engaged in smoking habits, eating meat and indulging in free mixing of boys and girls; these are not the activities of religious persons. Lord Jesus said and the Bible also says, "Thou shalt not Kill." But they are eating meat. So we must see practically if someone is leading a pure life and not be blinded by some sentiment. Our students are strictly observing the four rules or restraints from impure habits and they are factually living according to the highest standard of religious life. So we are actually following the principles of pure living in Krishna Consciousness, but it appears that these followers of the Christian philosophy have fallen down from the transcendental platform.
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<div id="LettertoSucandraLosAngeles19February1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="110" link="Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">It is said in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that this devotional service is so powerful that even if a devotee occasionally falls down from the standard there is no loss for him.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970|Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is said in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that this devotional service is so powerful that even if a devotee occasionally falls down from the standard there is no loss for him. If he is sincere, he will automatically rectify his error and Lord Krsna immediately purifies him from within. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gita also, that for the devotee Krsna gives all protection, and there is never any loss for him. But if one is not engaged in Krsna Consciousness, there is no gain for him in any position of material life.</p>
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<div id="LettertoJagadisaLosAngeles27February1970_2" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="128" link="Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1970|Letter to Jagadisa -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya's influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. But his relationship with Krsna is never lost, simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRevatinandanaLosAngeles13June1970_3" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="353" link="Letter to Revatinandana -- Los Angeles 13 June, 1970" link_text="Letter to Revatinandana -- Los Angeles 13 June, 1970">
<div class="heading">Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Revatinandana -- Los Angeles 13 June, 1970|Letter to Revatinandana -- Los Angeles 13 June, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahma is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition.</p>
<p>The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition. Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet. Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHayagrivaMadras13February1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="85" link="Letter to Hayagriva -- Madras 13 February, 1972" link_text="Letter to Hayagriva -- Madras 13 February, 1972">
<div class="heading">These regulative principles are our life, if they are not respected then we fall down from the standard and the whole thing is finished.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hayagriva -- Madras 13 February, 1972|Letter to Hayagriva -- Madras 13 February, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad to learn that the regulative principles are being strictly followed, otherwise we shall fall down, victim of Maya. Yes, as in the case of Ranadhira, please institute these most important points of attending mangal arati and chanting 16 rounds, these are the most important points of Krishna Consciousness process. But make it so that people may not think too repressive so they will not go away—impressive but not repressive, that is the system. These regulative principles are our life, if they are not respected then we fall down from the standard and the whole thing is finished. As GBC you should see the standard is perfectly maintained, and that deity worship is perfectly done. Then Krishna will give us all protection. Neglecting the principles means neglecting Krishna's order. So you are one of the chief men of this Institution, kindly maintain your behavior to the standard so that others will follow and the whole thing may go on nicely. It was said about Lord Caitanya: APANI ACARI PRABHU JIVERE SIKHAYA, that is, He personally used to practice Himself the injunctions and then He used to teach others. That is our principle: Unless one is perfectly behaved person, he cannot teach others. My only request is that all the GBC members should be strictly to the standard of life, and see that others are also following them. Then our centers will be well-managed. Kindly do that and advise your co-workers to do that.</p>
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<div id="LettertoNiranjanaSydney12April1972_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="175" link="Letter to Niranjana -- Sydney 12 April, 1972" link_text="Letter to Niranjana -- Sydney 12 April, 1972">
<div class="heading">If one simply follows the four regulative principles and regularly chants Hare Krishna, there will be no question of falling down from devotional service.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Niranjana -- Sydney 12 April, 1972|Letter to Niranjana -- Sydney 12 April, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My Dear Niranjana,</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated March 18, 1972 and I have noted the contents. I am glad to hear that you reached your destination safely and are determinedly chanting Hare Krishna without any fail. If one simply follows the four regulative principles and regularly chants Hare Krishna, there will be no question of falling down from devotional service.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoDamodaraParis8June1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="229" link="Letter to Damodara -- Paris 8 June, 1974" link_text="Letter to Damodara -- Paris 8 June, 1974">
<div class="heading">There is nothing wrong in his preaching as you are and so many GBCs, as grhastha. So although it is officially a falldown from sannyasa, there is no loss if he will become more enthusiastic by this way.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Damodara -- Paris 8 June, 1974|Letter to Damodara -- Paris 8 June, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You have asked about Rupanuga. So I have asked him to not remain secluded but to work vigorously as grhastha now that he has returned with his wife. There is nothing wrong in his preaching as you are and so many GBCs, as grhastha. So although it is officially a falldown from sannyasa, there is no loss if he will become more enthusiastic by this way. So please continue to cooperate with him and implement all our regular programs.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaParis8June1974_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="232" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Paris 8 June, 1974" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Paris 8 June, 1974">
<div class="heading">Although officially it is a falldown from sannyasa, in your country no one understands sannyasa. The more important principle is that we should purify our thoughts and engage them in Krsna's service.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Paris 8 June, 1974|Letter to Rupanuga -- Paris 8 June, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So you should not consider taking sannyasa again, but in your country it is not a great thing. Although officially it is a falldown from sannyasa, in your country no one understands sannyasa. The more important principle is that we should purify our thoughts and engage them in Krsna's service. Please try to understand this important principle: being disgusted with their nasty thoughts people sometimes attempt to become thoughtless, but this is never possible. We should encourage everyone to not become thoughtless but to purify their thinking by always thinking of Krsna in the recommended ways. So I request you to go back preaching vigorously along with your wife who is also a good preacher.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAlfredFordBombay3January1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="12" link="Letter to Alfred Ford -- Bombay 3 January, 1975" link_text="Letter to Alfred Ford -- Bombay 3 January, 1975">
<div class="heading">He has violated our rules and regulations and thus fallen down from the spiritual platform. Under these circumstances, please do not act under his advice.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Alfred Ford -- Bombay 3 January, 1975|Letter to Alfred Ford -- Bombay 3 January, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My dear Alfred,</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. I am writing this letter to inform you that Sudama Swami has left our camp. He has his own plans. He has violated our rules and regulations and thus fallen down from the spiritual platform. Under these circumstances, please do not act under his advice. I have been very much busy here in Bombay. In about a week, I am going to come to Honolulu. I will notify you of my definite arrival date and I request that you please come and see me there.</p>
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<div id="LettertoLesleyFordhamBombay12January1975_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="42" link="Letter to Lesley Fordham -- Bombay 12 January, 1975" link_text="Letter to Lesley Fordham -- Bombay 12 January, 1975">
<div class="heading">This constant chanting of Krishna's names will assure you of not falling down from His service.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Lesley Fordham -- Bombay 12 January, 1975|Letter to Lesley Fordham -- Bombay 12 January, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Thank you very much for participating in this sankirtana movement. I am glad to hear that you are enthusiastic about chanting. Keep chanting 24 hours if possible. This constant chanting of Krishna's names will assure you of not falling down from His service. Never leave the association of devotees, otherwise it will be very difficult to chant constantly.</p>
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Forbidden (Letters)

2011-10-02T17:08:45Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Correspondence" text="1947 to 1965 Correspondence"><h3>1947 to 1965 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRatanshiMorarjiKhatauBombay5August1958_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="39" link="Letter to Ratanshi Morarji Khatau -- Bombay 5 August, 1958" link_text="Letter to Ratanshi Morarji Khatau -- Bombay 5 August, 1958">
<div class="heading">It is forbidden that a mundane person should not indulge in hearing Rasalila or one should not hear Rasalila from a mundane person.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Ratanshi Morarji Khatau -- Bombay 5 August, 1958|Letter to Ratanshi Morarji Khatau -- Bombay 5 August, 1958]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In the sloka No. 30 it is forbidden that a mundane person should not indulge in hearing Rasalila or one should not hear Rasalila from a mundane person. In your organization both the audience and the lecturer are mundane persons and their indulgence in the matter of Rasalila out of sheer foolishness will result in imitating Rudra who swallowed up an ocean of poison. There is nothing immorality in the transcendental activities of the lord neither it requires to be defended by any immoral man because simply by remembering the holy name of Krishna or by serving His lotus feet one can at once become a liberated person. (Bhag. 10/33/34) Besides that the result of reading or hearing the Rasalila in the devotional mood is stated (Bhag. 30/33/39) to become culminated in complete disappearance of the devotee's lust disease in the heart. Persons who are not pure devotees and must have therefore an impure heart full with dirty things of mundane affairs will not only try to defend Rasalila by interpretations or decry the dealings but also shall be ruined as by drinking poison a man goes to hell.</p>
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<div id="1967_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="2" parent="Correspondence" text="1967 Correspondence"><h3>1967 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHimavatiDelhi23September1967_0" class="quote" parent="1967_Correspondence" book="Let" index="151" link="Letter to Himavati -- Delhi 23 September, 1967" link_text="Letter to Himavati -- Delhi 23 September, 1967">
<div class="heading">My advice for the present is that during your time of pregnancy you should eat very simple foods, hot or spicy foods are not to be taken and also sexual relations are forbidden.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Himavati -- Delhi 23 September, 1967|Letter to Himavati -- Delhi 23 September, 1967]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My advice for the present is that during your time of pregnancy you should eat very simple foods, hot or spicy foods are not to be taken and also sexual relations are forbidden. All blessings to Hamsaduta and yourself.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRayaramaSanFrancisco21December1967_1" class="quote" parent="1967_Correspondence" book="Let" index="244" link="Letter to Rayarama -- San Francisco 21 December, 1967" link_text="Letter to Rayarama -- San Francisco 21 December, 1967">
<div class="heading">If he is in need of sex, who forbids him. A man in sex life is not neglected by us.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rayarama -- San Francisco 21 December, 1967|Letter to Rayarama -- San Francisco 21 December, 1967]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am anxious to know about Damodara. What happens to him. If he is in need of sex, who forbids him. A man in sex life is not neglected by us. The only thing we want, that sex life can be allowed only in married couples. So get him convinced about it.</p>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBrahmanandaLosAngeles21January1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="24" link="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1968" link_text="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1968">
<div class="heading">The married boys and girls are there—in our society sex life is not forbidden.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1968|Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">If one wants to get out of this material existence, he must control sex desire. The whole scheme of Vedic civilization is based on this principle of controlling sex desire. There were 4 orders of life; Brahmacari, Grhastha, Vanaprastha, and Sannyasa. The majority of the orders namely Brahmacari, Vanaprastha, and Sannyasa are forbidden sex life. Only the householders are allowed sex life. That is also restricted. That means sex life is condemned throughout because that is the cause of material bondage. Feeling of sex life in young boys and girls is quite natural, but one has to check such sex life by reason, argument, and knowledge. The married boys and girls are there—in our society sex life is not forbidden.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBhaktijanaLosAngeles12February1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="50" link="Letter to Bhaktijana -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1968" link_text="Letter to Bhaktijana -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1968">
<div class="heading">We don't forbid sex life, but we cannot allow illicit sex.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhaktijana -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1968|Letter to Bhaktijana -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Follow the rules and regulations strictly. If you want sex life, you are at liberty to get yourself married. But don't have illicit sex with some Maya's representative. That won't help you in your spiritual advancement. We don't forbid sex life, but we cannot allow illicit sex. For a young man it is very difficult to check sex desire, therefore best thing is for him to get himself married, and live like a responsible gentleman. Irresponsible man cannot make progress materially, or spiritually.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKrsnadasaLosAngeles1January1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="3" link="Letter to Krsna dasa -- Los Angeles 1 January, 1969" link_text="Letter to Krsna dasa -- Los Angeles 1 January, 1969">
<div class="heading">I have already written one letter forbidding him to quit Hamburg for New Vrindaban because there is no work for him presently in New Vrindaban due to the winter season.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Krsna dasa -- Los Angeles 1 January, 1969|Letter to Krsna dasa -- Los Angeles 1 January, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Sivananda is also a very good soul like you and he is sure to help you. I have already written one letter forbidding him to quit Hamburg for New Vrindaban because there is no work for him presently in New Vrindaban due to the winter season. So surely he can work in Hamburg for three months more, and I am glad that he is engaged in temple construction work. Let him do this without any interference. You do not interfere in any of his work. Let him do what he likes and at his own discretion, and you simply respect him as your older brother. I am sure that he will be peaceful there shortly. It may be due to so much bodily trouble that he was becoming distressed but this has subsided and he will continue to work as usual.</p>
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<div id="LettertoOfficialforMadhudvisaLosAngeles15March1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="174" link="Letter to Official (for Madhudvisa) -- Los Angeles 15 March, 1969" link_text="Letter to Official (for Madhudvisa) -- Los Angeles 15 March, 1969">
<div class="heading">Intoxication of all sorts (including smoking, drinking of alcoholic beverages, drinking tea, coffee, drugs, etc.) are strictly forbidden.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Official (for Madhudvisa) -- Los Angeles 15 March, 1969|Letter to Official (for Madhudvisa) -- Los Angeles 15 March, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I, THE UNDERSIGNED ACHARYA (Ordained Minister of Religion) of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Inc, certify herewith that Michael E. Morrissey (Madhudvisa Das), S.S. No. 19/31/47/208, has been my initiated student of Theology for six months (initiated September 11, 1968). He is presently studying the Bhagavad-gita and the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Vedic scriptures under strict discipline and regulation. As such, he is forbidden to indulge in the following activities:</p>
<p>1. Illicit sexual connection (unmarried sex indulgence).</p>
<p>2. Non vegetarian diet (the eating of meat, fish eggs, and all animal foods strictly forbidden).</p>
<p>3. Intoxication of all sorts (including smoking, drinking of alcoholic beverages, drinking tea, coffee, drugs, etc.) are strictly forbidden.</p>
<p>Michael E. Morrissey (Madhudvisa Das Brahmacari) attends daily religious classes both in the morning and in the evening, and worships the Deity under my personal instruction. This course of training continues for seven years from the date of initiation in order to befit him as an Ordained Minister of Religion.</p>
<p>As such, my students are classified under 4-D, Ministerial Status.</p>
<p>A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami</p>
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<div id="LettertoSelectiveServiceSystemforTosanaKrsnaHawaii20March1969_2" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="190" link="Letter to Selective Service System (for Tosana Krsna) -- Hawaii 20 March, 1969" link_text="Letter to Selective Service System (for Tosana Krsna) -- Hawaii 20 March, 1969">
<div class="heading">MY INITIATED STUDENTS ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN TO INDULGE in the following principles of degradation:
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Selective Service System (for Tosana Krsna) -- Hawaii 20 March, 1969|Letter to Selective Service System (for Tosana Krsna) -- Hawaii 20 March, 1969]]: </span><div class="text">MY INITIATED STUDENTS ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN TO INDULGE in the following principles of degradation: (1) All forms of intoxication, including coffee, tea, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, etc. (2) The eating of animal foods, such as meat, fish, and eggs. Rather, their diet consists of Prasadam, especially offered foodstuffs (vegetarian), (3) Unmarried sex indulgence, (4) Gambling, or idle sports of any sort. Their lives are dedicated to serving God, and as such, they have no time to squander on unbeneficial activities or non-Godly activities.
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaTittenhurst2November1969_3" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="646" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969">
<div class="heading">We have got volumes of books also, so it is better for us to mind our own business than to divert our attention in the studies of other books. This was definitely forbidden by Lord Caitanya.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding books like Aquarian Gospel or even the Testiments, we cannot accept them as authorities because sometimes it is learnt that the words are not actually spoken by Christ, but they are so set up by the devotees. For example, in the Ten Commandments it is clearly stated "Thou shalt not kill", but some Bishop in Boston has changed it to "Thou shalt do no murder". This means the Bishop wants to keep hold for animal slaughter. So don't bother about all these literatures. We have all respect for these great preachers, but we do not require to study books save and accept for some reference. We must push on our philosophy how to love God. Our process is simple. We have got volumes of books also, so it is better for us to mind our own business than to divert our attention in the studies of other books. This was definitely forbidden by Lord Caitanya.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHanumanPrasadPoddarLosAngeles5February1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="77" link="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">I was thinking, while on board the ship "Jaladuta," why Krishna had brought me to this country. I knew that Western people are too much addicted to so many forbidden things according to our Vedic conception of life.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970|Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">With great difficulty, I was able to get the "P" Form passed by the Controller of Foreign Exchange, and, someway or other, I reached Boston on 17th September, 1965. I was thinking, while on board the ship "Jaladuta," why Krishna had brought me to this country. I knew that Western people are too much addicted to so many forbidden things according to our Vedic conception of life. So out of sentiment I wrote a long poetry addressing Lord Krishna as to what was His purpose in bringing me to this country.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMadhucaraNairobi25September1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="469" link="Letter to Madhucara -- Nairobi 25 September, 1971" link_text="Letter to Madhucara -- Nairobi 25 September, 1971">
<div class="heading">Separation is absolutely forbidden at any time.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Madhucara -- Nairobi 25 September, 1971|Letter to Madhucara -- Nairobi 25 September, 1971]]: </span><div class="text">So far your getting yourself married is concerned, I have no objection if it meets with Karandhara's approval. It appears that Lilasakti is a very good preacher, so help each other to become better and better preachers of this Krishna Consciousness movement. Don't fall astray. Separation is absolutely forbidden at any time. Always think of Krishna and be happy.
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSankarasanaLosAngeles30September1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="526" link="Letter to Sankarasana -- Los Angeles 30 September, 1972" link_text="Letter to Sankarasana -- Los Angeles 30 September, 1972">
<div class="heading">A brahmacari and unmarried woman in the same room together alone is strictly forbidden.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sankarasana -- Los Angeles 30 September, 1972|Letter to Sankarasana -- Los Angeles 30 September, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your question is how much or how little brahmacaris should associate with the unmarried brahmacarinis in the temple. As brahmacari you should not mix at all with brahmacarinis. Actually they should not at all see the face, but that is not possible in your country. But so far as possible, remain separate and talk almost nil. Brahmacari is advised not to go near a young woman anywhere. A brahmacari should always address every woman as mother. In your country it is a little difficult, but the principle is to avoid. To talk secretly or privately is strictly prohibited. If you want to discuss philosophy and other matters you can discuss publicly in a meeting, but not privately. A brahmacari and unmarried woman in the same room together alone is strictly forbidden.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaBombay11January1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="33" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Bombay 11 January, 1976" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Bombay 11 January, 1976">
<div class="heading">We shall never use this artificial fertilizer on our farms. It is forbidden in the sastras.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Bombay 11 January, 1976|Letter to Rupanuga -- Bombay 11 January, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We shall never use this artificial fertilizer on our farms. It is forbidden in the sastras. If you plant easily grown crops once in the year, then the earth will not become exhausted. Don't overuse the land.</p>
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<div id="LettertoYamunaDinatarineMayapur21February1976_1" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="164" link="Letter to Yamuna, Dinatarine -- Mayapur 21 February, 1976" link_text="Letter to Yamuna, Dinatarine -- Mayapur 21 February, 1976">
<div class="heading">A widow is forbidden to use ornaments, nice sari, decoration, combing the hair nicely.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Yamuna, Dinatarine -- Mayapur 21 February, 1976|Letter to Yamuna, Dinatarine -- Mayapur 21 February, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very much pleased with this girl Svati—she has adopted this white dress. She must not be attractive at all. A widow is forbidden to use ornaments, nice sari, decoration, combing the hair nicely. These are forbidden for the woman who is not with husband.</p>
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Motorcar (Letters)

2011-08-05T19:56:31Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="LettertoJawaharlalNehruBombay4August1958_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="38" link="Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru -- Bombay 4 August, 1958" link_text="Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru -- Bombay 4 August, 1958">
<div class="heading">It is the spiritual knowledge which makes a man really rich and not the radio set or the motor car.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru -- Bombay 4 August, 1958|Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru -- Bombay 4 August, 1958]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Poverty means poverty of knowledge. Prime minister Canakya Pandit used to live in a thatched house or cottage but he was the dictator of India in the days of Emperor Candra Gupta. Mahatma Gandhi your political Guru voluntarily accepted the ways of the so called poor Indians and still he was the dictator of India's destiny. But was he actually poverty sticken on account of his plain living with the primitive charkha? He was always proud of his spiritual knowledge. Therefore it is the spiritual knowledge which makes a man really rich and not the radio set or the motor car. Please therefore try to understand this position of Indian culture and try to give it to the western brothers in the prescribed standard method of the liberated persons and that will be an exchange of Indian culture with western material advancement and necessarily bring in a happy life in the peaceful world.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSridamaLondon4December1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="710" link="Letter to Sridama -- London 4 December, 1969" link_text="Letter to Sridama -- London 4 December, 1969">
<div class="heading">I was very much shocked to learn that you have again met with some motor accident on the way, and perhaps this is the second time you have broken your leg.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sridama -- London 4 December, 1969|Letter to Sridama -- London 4 December, 1969]]: </span><div class="text">I was very much shocked to learn that you have again met with some motor accident on the way, and perhaps this is the second time you have broken your leg. So I do not know why such things are happening. Anyway, whatever calamities happen we should take it as Krishna's blessings, as a token punishment for our past misdeeds. That is the observation of a devotee. Whenever he is put into a dangerous position, he takes it as a blessings of Krishna, and the opportunity is used for remembering Him very strongly.
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaLosAngeles15June1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="358" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 15 June, 1970" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 15 June, 1970">
<div class="heading">Since you met with the motor accident, although I am getting your news time to time, still I was very much anxious to write you directly, but I did not know your address.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 15 June, 1970|Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 15 June, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My Dear Rupanuga,</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. Since you met with the motor accident, although I am getting your news time to time, still I was very much anxious to write you directly, but I did not know your address. This morning I have got this address.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHimavatiLosAngeles4July1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="403" link="Letter to Himavati -- Los Angeles 4 July, 1970" link_text="Letter to Himavati -- Los Angeles 4 July, 1970">
<div class="heading">I am in due receipt of your letter dated nil and I am very sorry to learn that you are injured in a motor accident.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Himavati -- Los Angeles 4 July, 1970|Letter to Himavati -- Los Angeles 4 July, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am in due receipt of your letter dated nil and I am very sorry to learn that you are injured in a motor accident. I have come to San Francisco on account of Rathayatra festival and shall be returning by next Tuesday.</p>
<p>Do not be worried by lying down. Chant Hare Krsna mantra and Krsna will help you to be free from this confinement very soon. In my previous letter I informed you that you better stick to the arcana bidhi of the temple, and I confirm the same again that in future you will always remain in the temple. So we should always consider that this material world is a dangerous place and therefore we shall chant Lord Nrsimha's Holy Name in order to be protected by Him in all dangers.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBhagavanHonolulu12May1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="245" link="Letter to Bhagavan -- Honolulu 12 May, 1972" link_text="Letter to Bhagavan -- Honolulu 12 May, 1972">
<div class="heading">The USA government is giving us free foodstuffs and grains for distribution, so why such big motorcar companies should not also help if your government is agreeable?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhagavan -- Honolulu 12 May, 1972|Letter to Bhagavan -- Honolulu 12 May, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am glad to see that you are trying for some cars for India. We need immediately some cars and vans. I was just talking with Gaurasundara how this can be done. I think Scindia has got ships to Detroit, so if you can find this out I can arrange for some shipping to India. You can contact Tamala Krishna in Mayapur for getting photos and information from him about our food-distribution program there and how we are feeding the needy persons in that area daily not less than 2000 persons. The USA government is giving us free foodstuffs and grains for distribution, so why such big motorcar companies should not also help if your government is agreeable? Even they cannot donate, we can purchase at cost price or for some token price, but immediately I want that some cars and vans be sent to India, there is so much need for them there.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoJayapatakaBhavanandaBombay9May1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="188" link="Letter to Jayapataka , Bhavananda -- Bombay 9 May, 1974" link_text="Letter to Jayapataka , Bhavananda -- Bombay 9 May, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jayapataka , Bhavananda -- Bombay 9 May, 1974|Letter to Jayapataka , Bhavananda -- Bombay 9 May, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">As for the hand-tiller from Japan that you are using on a trial basis, you should ask Bali Mardan to supply you this Japanese machine. He has good connections in Japan. He can provide you that same Japanese motor hand-tiller much cheaper or even free.</p>
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<div id="LettertoMrJayakarMayapur9October1974_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="469" link="Letter to Mr. Jayakar -- Mayapur 9 October, 1974" link_text="Letter to Mr. Jayakar -- Mayapur 9 October, 1974">
<div class="heading">Sometimes when you come to Calcutta, you can visit this place. You can come direct by motor car.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mr. Jayakar -- Mayapur 9 October, 1974|Letter to Mr. Jayakar -- Mayapur 9 October, 1974]]: </span><div class="text">I was very ill in Vrndaban as you know. Now I have come to Mayapur, Navadvipa. Here it is a very open place. Sometimes when you come to Calcutta, you can visit this place. You can come direct by motor car. You can contact our man, Gargamuni Swami at 3, Albert Road, and he will arrange for your transportation. It is a very nice, open place. Here we have got our temple and nice accommodation for respectable men.
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKapoorjiBombay9November1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="647" link="Letter to Kapoorji -- Bombay 9 November, 1975" link_text="Letter to Kapoorji -- Bombay 9 November, 1975">
<div class="heading">Then I went to Mauritius, South Africa and again Mauritius where I met with a major motor accident in my car.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Kapoorji -- Bombay 9 November, 1975|Letter to Kapoorji -- Bombay 9 November, 1975]]: </span><div class="text">Yes, I left Vrndavana and went to Delhi, then Ahmedabad, then Bombay. And then I went to Mauritius, South Africa and again Mauritius where I met with a major motor accident in my car. All my men got slightly injured and they were saved by Krsna. The accident was very disastrous, but still Krsna saved. Anyway, then I went to Nairobi and from there I have come just the day before yesterday to Bombay. Perhaps I may stay here for some time for finishing our temple construction on this land.
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<div id="LettertoKirtananandaBombay10November1975_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="661" link="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Bombay 10 November, 1975" link_text="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Bombay 10 November, 1975">
<div class="heading">In Mauritius for the first time in my life I had to meet a very disastrous type of motor accident.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Kirtanananda -- Bombay 10 November, 1975|Letter to Kirtanananda -- Bombay 10 November, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In Mauritius for the first time in my life I had to meet a very disastrous type of motor accident. We were four in motor carriage, the driver, Brahmananda Swami, Pusta Krsna Swami and myself. The driver was especially injured and we got a little bruises and cuts. Anyway, I have come to Bombay on November 3rd. Here the temple construction is now being undertaken seriously and we are looking after things.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoGargamuniLosAngeles7June1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="338" link="Letter to Gargamuni -- Los Angeles 7 June, 1976" link_text="Letter to Gargamuni -- Los Angeles 7 June, 1976">
<div class="heading">I do not know about motor launch or not, but you should consult and do the needful. I simply want to see that the preaching goes on.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Gargamuni -- Los Angeles 7 June, 1976|Letter to Gargamuni -- Los Angeles 7 June, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Taru Kanti Ghosh, since he is favorable, there will be government support. So continue this boat program. I do not know about motor launch or not, but you should consult and do the needful. I simply want to see that the preaching goes on. That's all.</p>
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Beating (Letters)

2011-08-05T19:34:50Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKrsnaDeviMontreal21August1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="270" link="Letter to Krsna Devi -- Montreal 21 August, 1968" link_text="Letter to Krsna Devi -- Montreal 21 August, 1968">
<div class="heading">At the end all the members of the Yadu family when they were fighting, took advantage of the log and beat one another and thus the whole family was dead and gone.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Krsna Devi -- Montreal 21 August, 1968|Letter to Krsna Devi -- Montreal 21 August, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The lump of iron stone which was delivered by Samba, the members of the Yadu family wanted to destroy it, by rubbing on a stone, and the pulp made out of the stone gridded down on the bank of a river, and gradually it grew into log. So at the end all the members of the Yadu family when they were fighting, took advantage of the log and beat one another and thus the whole family was dead and gone.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoLarrySnyderMarkPerlmanJohnCurranLosAngeles1February1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="80" link="Letter to Larry Snyder, Mark Perlman, John Curran -- Los Angeles 1 February, 1969" link_text="Letter to Larry Snyder, Mark Perlman, John Curran -- Los Angeles 1 February, 1969">
<div class="heading">Just begin chanting Hare Krishna in the accompaniment of a beating drum and the playing of cymbals. There is no necessity of any other instrument at present.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Larry Snyder, Mark Perlman, John Curran -- Los Angeles 1 February, 1969|Letter to Larry Snyder, Mark Perlman, John Curran -- Los Angeles 1 February, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My advise to you is that you make a small center immediately, and, if possible, get some musical instruments from New York. Brahmananda will supply you with a mrdanga and a few pairs of cymbals. Simply you have to sit down together as you have seen done in New York. Just begin chanting Hare Krishna in the accompaniment of a beating drum and the playing of cymbals. There is no necessity of any other instrument at present. The chanting is very simple; Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. So in this way for 15-20 minutes you chant, and then read from our Bhagavad-gita.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoJayapatakaLosAngeles21January1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="35" link="Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1970" link_text="Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1970">
<div class="heading">Sankara advised that do not try to exact favorable conclusions by beating the Sastras, but be submissive to Lord Govinda and worship Him.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1970|Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 21 January, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In Sanskrit the grammatical jugglery is a great puzzle, there are many words which can be changed into different meanings by grammatical root derivations and affixing and prefixing pratyayas. So Sankara advised that do not try to exact favorable conclusions by beating the Sastras, but be submissive to Lord Govinda and worship Him. Otherwise, this grammatical jugglery of words will not help you at the time of death.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSyamasundaraLosAngeles15April1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="236" link="Letter to Syamasundara -- Los Angeles 15 April, 1970" link_text="Letter to Syamasundara -- Los Angeles 15 April, 1970">
<div class="heading">So long the living force remains within the body, the life symptoms are exhibited. When at the last stage of a man's life the doctor is feeling the pulse and then the beating stops, he says, "He is gone now."
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Syamasundara -- Los Angeles 15 April, 1970|Letter to Syamasundara -- Los Angeles 15 April, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding the presence of the soul, it is experienced by everyone as the living force or consciousness which gives the body life. So long the living force remains within the body, the life symptoms are exhibited. When at the last stage of a man's life the doctor is feeling the pulse and then the beating stops, he says, "He is gone now." Who is gone? The complete bodily machinery remains, but the living soul has left it and the machinery stops working. It is the soul that has left.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMadhudvisaNewYork28July1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="323" link="Letter to Madhudvisa -- New York 28 July, 1971" link_text="Letter to Madhudvisa -- New York 28 July, 1971">
<div class="heading">Just like Haridasa Takhur was beaten in 22 market places and he felt no pain. Prahlada was boiled in oil. So we have to take instruction from them, but not to imitate.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Madhudvisa -- New York 28 July, 1971|Letter to Madhudvisa -- New York 28 July, 1971]]: </span><div class="text">Even an ordinary man absorbed in some other thought forgets his bodily pains and pleasures. So why not in Krishna Consciousness? I learned from an intimate friend of Stalin that he underwent surgical operation of the abdomen without any anesthetic. It was in the papers. He saw it that his own abdomen was being operated on. He was so strong minded. So when one is in Krishna Consciousness, he no more feels any bodily pains and pleasures. After all, we are not this body. But we should make progress steadily by following the rules and regulations, not making experiment. Just like Haridasa Takhur was beaten in 22 market places and he felt no pain. Prahlada was boiled in oil. So we have to take instruction from them, but not to imitate.
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoGovindaMadras12February1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="84" link="Letter to Govinda -- Madras 12 February, 1972" link_text="Letter to Govinda -- Madras 12 February, 1972">
<div class="heading">Such men should be taken and beaten very hard with shoes—but it will not be very much to our credit if we are accused of fighting in this way.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Govinda -- Madras 12 February, 1972|Letter to Govinda -- Madras 12 February, 1972]]: </span><div class="text">I am very sorry to hear about your demoniac neighbor cutting down many tulasi plants, but do not worry, he shall get his due punishment in time, rest assured. Simply go on in the normal way, and gradually his threat will disappear. Such men should be taken and beaten very hard with shoes—but it will not be very much to our credit if we are accused of fighting in this way. But if that man is caught trespassing on our property, then he may be severely punished by us. You can put up barbed-wire fence around the tulasi plants if that will help, or somehow or other protect them from further danger. Our experience has been that if we ignore them such demoniac class of men, they will go away.
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<div id="LettertoBhanutanyaHyderabad18November1972_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="582" link="Letter to Bhanutanya -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972" link_text="Letter to Bhanutanya -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972">
<div class="heading">Children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhanutanya -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972|Letter to Bhanutanya -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now the thing is, children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher. If a child is trained properly in Krishna Consciousness, he will never go away. That means he must have two things, love and education. So if there is beating of child, that will be difficult for him to accept in loving spirit, and when he is old enough he may want to go away—that is the danger.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupaVilasaHyderabad18November1972_2" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="586" link="Letter to Rupa Vilasa -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972" link_text="Letter to Rupa Vilasa -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972">
<div class="heading">I have heard that there has been some beating with sticks on the children. Of course I do not know, but that should not be.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupa Vilasa -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972|Letter to Rupa Vilasa -- Hyderabad 18 November, 1972]]: </span><div class="text">If we train children by developing and encouraging their propensity to love Krishna, then we shall be successful in educating them to the topmost standard. Then they shall always very happily agree to do whatever you ask them. So I have heard that there has been some beating with sticks on the children. Of course I do not know, but that should not be. You may show the stick, threaten, but better art is to somehow or other, even by tricking them, avoid this matter of force and induce them to obey out of loving spirit. That is success of disciplinary method.
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSriGovindaCalcutta31January1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="54" link="Letter to Sri Govinda -- Calcutta 31 January, 1973" link_text="Letter to Sri Govinda -- Calcutta 31 January, 1973">
<div class="heading">As Chicago is one of the largest cities in the U.S., why not see if you can be the largest contributor to my book fund, although I think that you have got some stiff competition from Los Angeles branch. But if you can beat them, that will be very first class.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sri Govinda -- Calcutta 31 January, 1973|Letter to Sri Govinda -- Calcutta 31 January, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You say that you are collecting sizeable funds from incense sale and book distribution, so I expect that you will also increase your payments to my book fund as much as possible. This will be very very pleasing to me, as I am most concerned that these books of mine be printed profusely and distributed all over the world as each book has so much potency for making persons Krsna conscious. So as Chicago is one of the largest cities in the U.S., why not see if you can be the largest contributor to my book fund, although I think that you have got some stiff competition from Los Angeles branch. But if you can beat them, that will be very first class.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoCyavanaDallas29July1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="436" link="Letter to Cyavana -- Dallas 29 July, 1975" link_text="Letter to Cyavana -- Dallas 29 July, 1975">
<div class="heading">I want that you approach Navayogendra with all humility and ask his forgiveness for the beating. In this way you can rectify things.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Cyavana -- Dallas 29 July, 1975|Letter to Cyavana -- Dallas 29 July, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I have been very much disturbed to learn of the difficulties in Africa. As the leader there you should not have allowed this dissension to take place. Shakti mati is an elderly woman and can do important work with the cultured Indian society, and she also speaks Swahili. She must be given an important position as a manager. She can work under Brahmananda Swami.</p>
<p>They may have had some disagreement with you, but expert management means to engage all of the devotees and not allow them to split into different parties. Your action of sending a letter to the pleader has disturbed me. Why have you taken this rash action without consulting me or Brahmananda Maharaja? You should immediately withdraw that letter.</p>
<p>I want that you approach Navayogendra with all humility and ask his forgiveness for the beating. In this way you can rectify things. You must bring them back. Otherwise if you cannot do it, then you should come here to me and we shall discuss it personally.</p>
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<div id="1977_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="12" parent="Correspondence" text="1977 Correspondence"><h3>1977 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAmarendraBombay3January1977_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Correspondence" book="Let" index="2" link="Letter to Amarendra -- Bombay 3 January, 1977" link_text="Letter to Amarendra -- Bombay 3 January, 1977">
<div class="heading">Even if the brain has stopped functioning, if the heart is beating that means the soul is present.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Amarendra -- Bombay 3 January, 1977|Letter to Amarendra -- Bombay 3 January, 1977]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding your question as to when the soul leaves the body, it is when the heart stops beating. Even if the brain has stopped functioning, if the heart is beating that means the soul is present.</p>
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Insult (Letters)

2011-03-09T21:26:37Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="LettertoDoctorRadhakrishnanDelhi29March1961_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="47" link="Letter to Doctor Radhakrishnan -- Delhi 29 March, 1961" link_text="Letter to Doctor Radhakrishnan -- Delhi 29 March, 1961">
<div class="heading">I am very much anxious to attend the Congress although I have no means to go there. They are also very much anxious to get me there and if I say that I cannot attend the congress for want of means then I think it will be an insult to my country.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Doctor Radhakrishnan -- Delhi 29 March, 1961|Letter to Doctor Radhakrishnan -- Delhi 29 March, 1961]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I beg to acknowledge receipt with thanks your letter of the 24th instant and have noted the contents. I have come back from Cuttack on the 26th night.</p>
<p>You know that I am a Sannyasi without any relation with Bank neither I am attached with financing institution. But the Japanese organizers have liked my literatures and they want me to be present there.</p>
<p>The Congress which is going to be held at Japan is on the matter of How One Should Cultivate Human Spirit. While the Indian leaders are giving more importance on the material construction of the human body, enlightened people of other countries are thinking of the Human Spirit. People of other countries who have already tested the bitterness of materialism, are now seeking something else other than matter.</p>
<p>The sages of India in the bygone ages cultivated on the Human Spirit in an elaborate way. Sripada Sankaracarya, Ramanujacarya, Madhva and later on Sri Caitanya dealt on the subject most scientifically for the welfare of all men in the world. I think therefore that the Indian Government should send there all the representatives of the abovementioned Acaryas to deliver the message of Atma or the Human Spirit.</p>
<p>A Godless civilization cannot bring about peace and prosperity and when they are anxious about it we must administer the required medicine.</p>
<p>I am therefore very much anxious to attend the Congress although I have no means to go there. They are also very much anxious to get me there and if I say that I cannot attend the congress for want of means then I think it will be an insult to my country.</p>
<p>Formerly the Zamindars and Princes would provide for such endeavours. But they are now finished. Under the circumstances it is the duty of the Government to arrange for our travel in such noble mission.</p>
<p>I wish therefore that you can specially recommend my case to Minister Humayun Kabir to arrange for it.</p>
<p>If it is impossible altogether, then personally you can send me there without any difficulty. They have already agreed to pay for my boarding and lodging for the days I shall remain there. I may also inform you that the Secretary of the INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR CULTURAL HARMONY has already agreed to publish some of my literatures. If you will kindly somehow or other dispatch me there, then it will be a chance for my mission.</p>
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<div id="1967_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="2" parent="Correspondence" text="1967 Correspondence"><h3>1967 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBrahmanandaCalcutta15November1967_0" class="quote" parent="1967_Correspondence" book="Let" index="216" link="Letter to Brahmananda -- Calcutta 15 November, 1967" link_text="Letter to Brahmananda -- Calcutta 15 November, 1967">
<div class="heading">The idea is that personally, one should be very meek and humble even in the presence of greatest provocation, but a slight insult to Krishna and His Representative should at once be taken seriously and appropriate measures should be taken.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Brahmananda -- Calcutta 15 November, 1967|Letter to Brahmananda -- Calcutta 15 November, 1967]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The Kirtanananda incident is certainly very unhappy and your dealing with the situation is quite appropriate. Lord Caitanya composed the verse that one should be humbler than the straw and more tolerant than the tree for chanting the Holy Name of Krishna, but the same Author learning the insult committee. upon the person of Lord Nityananda became furious and the Lord wanted to immediately kill the insulter. The idea is that personally, one should be very meek and humble even in the presence of greatest provocation, but a slight insult to Krishna and His Representative should at once be taken seriously and appropriate measures should be taken. We should never tolerate any insult or blasphemy to Krishna or His Representative. So your action was quite all right, but because we are in the public eyes we have to act cautiously so that people may not misunderstand. Anyway, forget the chapter, there is nothing to be lamented. If thousands of Kirtananandas or Hayagrivas come and go. We have to prosecute our real program being sincere to Krishna and Krishna-Caitanya.</p>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMukundaSanFrancisco26March1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="128" link="Letter to Mukunda -- San Francisco 26 March, 1968" link_text="Letter to Mukunda -- San Francisco 26 March, 1968">
<div class="heading">I am greatly surprised for Bon Maharaja's initiating you in spite of his knowing that you are already initiated by me. So it is deliberate transgression of Vaisnava etiquettes and otherwise a deliberate insult to me.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mukunda -- San Francisco 26 March, 1968|Letter to Mukunda -- San Francisco 26 March, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In meantime, I have also received one letter which is very depressing from Hrsikesa. I understand that he has been induced by Bon Maharaja to be initiated by him for giving him shelter, and this foolish boy has accepted his inducement. This isn't very happy news, and I have replied Hrsikesa's letter in the following words, which please take note, and in the future, we shall be very cautious about them. "My Dear Hrsikesa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of March 14, 1968, and I am greatly surprised. I am greatly surprised for Bon Maharaja's initiating you in spite of his knowing that you are already initiated by me. So it is deliberate transgression of Vaisnava etiquettes and otherwise a deliberate insult to me. I do not know why he has done like this but no Vaisnava will approve of this offensive action. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my service unto you and you will always have my blessings, but you must know that you have committed a great blunder. I do not wish to discuss on this point more elaborately now, but if you are desirous to know further about it, I shall be glad to give you more enlightenment. Mukunda is not here. He has gone to L.A. Hope you are well." If Hrsikesa writes you letter I think you may avoid reply. I do not approve both Hrsikesa's and Bon Maharaja's this offensive action.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAnuradhaLosAngeles19January1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="44" link="Letter to Anuradha -- Los Angeles 19 January, 1969" link_text="Letter to Anuradha -- Los Angeles 19 January, 1969">
<div class="heading">Sisupal was a rival of Krishna, and insulted Krishna with vile words at this ceremony. Arjuna's youngest brother, Sahadeva, became so angry at this that he was ready to attack Sisupal, but he was restrained by both Krishna and Arjuna.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Anuradha -- Los Angeles 19 January, 1969|Letter to Anuradha -- Los Angeles 19 January, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding the Brijbasi picture that you sent me, the story is that when Maharaja Yudhisthira was declared king, he was performing the Rasuya Yajna ceremony. In this ceremony Krishna was elected as the President to preside over the meeting. Sisupal was a rival of Krishna, and insulted Krishna with vile words at this ceremony. Arjuna's youngest brother, Sahadeva, became so angry at this that he was ready to attack Sisupal, but he was restrained by both Krishna and Arjuna. This is the explanation of the picture.</p>
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<div id="LettertoGurudasaAllstonMass27April1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="253" link="Letter to Gurudasa -- Allston, Mass 27 April, 1969" link_text="Letter to Gurudasa -- Allston, Mass 27 April, 1969">
<div class="heading">The proprosal of Mr. Gupta to give you 150 Rs is simply ludicrous, and for us it is insulting. Do you think that an American boy like you can live in India on $20?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Gurudasa -- Allston, Mass 27 April, 1969|Letter to Gurudasa -- Allston, Mass 27 April, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The proprosal of Mr. Gupta to give you 150 Rs is simply ludicrous, and for us it is insulting. Do you think that an American boy like you can live in India on $20? This talk means they are not very serious or important men, so you should be careful to mix with them. There is no use asking any help from these embassy men. I know they will never help our Hare Krishna movement. The government is pledged to the policy of secularism, so as soon as there is any scent of religious fervor, they at once become opposing element.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBrahmanandaLosAngeles11July1969_2" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="435" link="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 11 July, 1969" link_text="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 11 July, 1969">
<div class="heading">If we purchase some land, it may be that some American people will construct a nice temple there and a home for American visitors. But if we do something there, it must be done very nicely. Otherwise it will be an insult to your people who are so rich.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 11 July, 1969|Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 11 July, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bhaktivinode Thakura desired that American disciple would come to Mayapur to take advantage of the birthplace of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. I wanted to make one American home there, and I asked for a piece of land there from my Godbrother, Tirtha Maharaja. He has simply acknowledged receipt of my letter, and there has been no other reply as of yet. In the meantime, Acyutananda has given hope of purchasing land there. If we purchase some land, it may be that some American people will construct a nice temple there and a home for American visitors. So what is your idea if we purchase some land there? But if we do something there, it must be done very nicely. Otherwise it will be an insult to your people who are so rich. People must go there to see the American home and the American devotees. That is my idea. I shall be glad to know your opinion about this.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoGajendraLosAngeles27January1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="55" link="Letter to Gajendra -- Los Angeles 27 January, 1970" link_text="Letter to Gajendra -- Los Angeles 27 January, 1970">
<div class="heading">The world is full of Jagais and Madhais; namely drunkards, women-hunters, meat eaters and gamblers, and we will have to approach them at the risk of insult, injury and similar other rewards.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Gajendra -- Los Angeles 27 January, 1970|Letter to Gajendra -- Los Angeles 27 January, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">By following His footsteps, you can approach Nityananda Prabhu. Nityananda Prabhu approached Jagai and Madhai at the risk of being personally injured and still He definitely delivered them. The world is full of Jagais and Madhais; namely drunkards, women-hunters, meat eaters and gamblers, and we will have to approach them at the risk of insult, injury and similar other rewards. To face such reverse conditions of life and to suffer thereby the results of actions is considered as the greatest penance and austerity in the matter of spiritual advancement of life.</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoCyavanaCalcutta6March1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="91" link="Letter to Cyavana -- Calcutta 6 March, 1973" link_text="Letter to Cyavana -- Calcutta 6 March, 1973">
<div class="heading">I am very glad to hear that the film "Hare Rama" was defeated there, it is Krsna's grace. This man is a very bad man for our movement's sake, that movie is a great insulting to us.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Cyavana -- Calcutta 6 March, 1973|Letter to Cyavana -- Calcutta 6 March, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad to hear that the film "Hare Rama" was defeated there, it is Krsna's grace. This man is a very bad man for our movement's sake, that movie is a great insulting to us. I think there was bribe by the government who does not want this movement. Anyway, the dogs may bark but the caravan passes.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaVrindaban12September1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="400" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Vrindaban 12 September, 1974" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Vrindaban 12 September, 1974">
<div class="heading">I am not in favor of closing even a small temple. You should always consider that we have invited Lord Caitanya, Lord Jagannatha, and Radha Krsna, and if we close it, it is an insult.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Vrindaban 12 September, 1974|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Vrindaban 12 September, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am not in favor of closing even a small temple. It is not a plaything to close a temple or to start a temple. When we open a temple we are inviting Krsna. So you can't say to Krsna, go away. You have no feeling what are the ideals of a temple. You should always consider that we have invited Lord Caitanya, Lord Jagannatha, and Radha Krsna, and if we close it, it is an insult. How can we call Them, and then say get out. We should always feel when we open a temple that the Deity is living and not dead stone or wood. It is a great offense. Before opening a temple it must be considered a hundred times, and after opening it cannot be closed. It must be maintained.</p>
:arcye visnau siladhir gurusu
:nara matir Vaisnave jati buddhih
<p>"One who considers the arca murti or worshipable Deity of Lord Visnu to be stone, the spiritual master to be an ordinary human being, and a Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste or creed, is possessed of hellish intelligence."</p>
<p>If the Edinburgh house is still available, it must be re-opened.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoJayatirthaManjualiBombay10November1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="660" link="Letter to Jayatirtha, Manjuali -- Bombay 10 November, 1975" link_text="Letter to Jayatirtha, Manjuali -- Bombay 10 November, 1975">
<div class="heading">I have invited Krsna and He may not be insulted by disrespectful behavior.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jayatirtha, Manjuali -- Bombay 10 November, 1975|Letter to Jayatirtha, Manjuali -- Bombay 10 November, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am in due receipt of your card dated October 25, 1975 along with the beautiful photographs of Sri Sri Rukmini-Dvarakadhisa of New Dvaraka. So do it nicely. I have invited Krsna and He may not be insulted by disrespectful behavior. I have introduced this system of Deity worship amongst the non-believers, the atheists, the mlecchas, the yavanas and I pray to Krsna that I am inviting You to come, so please, because You are seated in their hearts, please give them the intelligence how to serve you so that You may not be inconvenienced. I have introduced this system to the mlecchas, the yavanas and the lowest and the fallen, but still it is successful. I think that you are doing nicely.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBhavabhutiDetroit15June1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="346" link="Letter to Bhavabhuti -- Detroit 15 June, 1976" link_text="Letter to Bhavabhuti -- Detroit 15 June, 1976">
<div class="heading">Sometimes the political party is insulting. These atheists class of men who have done this, they should be converted into theism by preaching Bhagavad-gita.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhavabhuti -- Detroit 15 June, 1976|Letter to Bhavabhuti -- Detroit 15 June, 1976]]: </span><div class="text">Where is the local devotees who are coming? You are all foreigners, so how long it will go on? Madras especially they are losing interest in Deity worship. Sometimes the political party is insulting. These atheists class of men who have done this, they should be converted into theism by preaching Bhagavad-gita. So now there are three GBC's in India and they can consult and make a program how to finance the various programs including the Madras development.
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Bible (Books)

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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" class="section" sec_index="1" parent="compilation" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2>
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<div id="SB_Canto_3" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 3"><h3>SB Canto 3</h3>
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<div id="SB33219_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_3" book="SB" index="1330" link="SB 3.32.19" link_text="SB 3.32.19">
<div class="heading">Materialistic persons are very interested in reading such literature, but when they are presented with genuine books of knowledge like Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, Viṣṇu Purāṇa or other scriptures of the world, such as the Bible and Koran, they are not interested.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 3.32.19|SB 3.32.19, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Such persons are condemned by the supreme order of the Lord. Because they are averse to the nectar of the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are compared to stool-eating hogs. They give up hearing the transcendental activities of the Lord and indulge in hearing of the abominable activities of materialistic persons.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>Everyone is addicted to hearing of the activities of another person, whether a politician or a rich man or an imaginary character whose activities are created in a novel. There are so many nonsensical literatures, stories and books of speculative philosophy. Materialistic persons are very interested in reading such literature, but when they are presented with genuine books of knowledge like Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, Viṣṇu Purāṇa or other scriptures of the world, such as the Bible and Koran, they are not interested. These persons are condemned by the supreme order as much as a hog is condemned. The hog is interested in eating stool. If the hog is offered some nice preparation made of condensed milk or ghee, he won't like it; he would prefer obnoxious, bad-smelling stool, which he finds very relishable. Materialistic persons are considered condemned because they are interested in hellish activities and not in transcendental activities. The message of the Lord's activities is nectar, and besides that message, any information in which we may be interested is actually hellish.</p>
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<div id="SB_Canto_6" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 6"><h3>SB Canto 6</h3>
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<div id="SB6520_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_6" book="SB" index="206" link="SB 6.5.20" link_text="SB 6.5.20">
<div class="heading">In the Buddhist śāstras Lord Buddha advises that one achieve nirvāṇa by giving up the materialistic way of life. In the Bible, which is also śāstra, one will find the same advice: one should cease materialistic life and return to the kingdom of God.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 6.5.20|SB 6.5.20, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">In the material world, every living entity has a desire to lord it over the material world as much as possible. This is called pravṛtti-mārga. All the śāstras, however, advise nivṛtti-mārga, or release from the materialistic way of life. Apart from the śāstras of the Vedic civilization, which is the oldest of the world, other śāstras agree on this point. For example, in the Buddhist śāstras Lord Buddha advises that one achieve nirvāṇa by giving up the materialistic way of life. In the Bible, which is also śāstra, one will find the same advice: one should cease materialistic life and return to the kingdom of God. In any śāstra one may examine, especially the Vedic śāstra, the same advice is given: one should give up his materialistic life and return to his original, spiritual life. Śaṅkarācārya also propounds the same conclusion. Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā: this material world or materialistic life is simply illusion, and therefore one should stop his illusory activities and come to the platform of Brahman.</p>
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<div id="SB_Canto_101_to_1013" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 10.1 to 10.13"><h3>SB Canto 10.1 to 10.13</h3>
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<div id="SB101362_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_10.1_to_10.13" book="SB" index="565" link="SB 10.13.62" link_text="SB 10.13.62">
<div class="heading">Nārāyaṇa is catur-bāhu, but the Supreme Person resembles a human being. This is also confirmed in the Bible, where it is said that man was made in the image of God.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 10.13.62|SB 10.13.62, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">He who appeared before Brahmā as a human child was in fact the Absolute Truth, Parabrahman (brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate ([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.11|SB 1.2.11]])). The Supreme Lord is narākṛti; that is, He resembles a human being. It is not that He is four-armed (catur-bāhu). Nārāyaṇa is catur-bāhu, but the Supreme Person resembles a human being. This is also confirmed in the Bible, where it is said that man was made in the image of God.</p>
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<div id="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta" class="section" sec_index="2" parent="compilation" text="Sri Caitanya-caritamrta"><h2>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta</h2>
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<div id="CC_Adi-lila" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta" text="CC Adi-lila"><h3>CC Adi-lila</h3>
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<div id="CCAdi4165_0" class="quote" parent="CC_Adi-lila" book="CC" index="497" link="CC Adi 4.165" link_text="CC Adi 4.165">
<div class="heading">Acts of sense gratification may be performed under the cover of public welfare, nationalism, religion, altruism, ethical codes, Biblical codes, health directives, fruitive action, bashfulness, tolerance, personal comfort, liberation from material bondage, progress, family affection or fear of social ostracism or legal punishment, but all these categories are different subdivisions of one substance—sense gratification.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:CC Adi 4.165|CC Adi 4.165, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta asserts with authority that sexual love is a matter of personal sense enjoyment. All the regulative principles in the Vedas pertaining to desires for popularity, fatherhood, wealth and so on are different phases of sense gratification. Acts of sense gratification may be performed under the cover of public welfare, nationalism, religion, altruism, ethical codes, Biblical codes, health directives, fruitive action, bashfulness, tolerance, personal comfort, liberation from material bondage, progress, family affection or fear of social ostracism or legal punishment, but all these categories are different subdivisions of one substance—sense gratification.</p>
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<div id="CCAdi17168_1" class="quote" parent="CC_Adi-lila" book="CC" index="2105" link="CC Adi 17.168" link_text="CC Adi 17.168">
<div class="heading">In our practical preaching work we meet many Christians who talk about statements of the Bible.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.168|CC Adi 17.168, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">In our practical preaching work we meet many Christians who talk about statements of the Bible. When we question whether God is limited or unlimited, Christian priests say that God is unlimited. But when we question why the unlimited God should have only one son and not unlimited sons, they are unable to answer. Similarly, from a scientific point of view, the answers of the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran to many questions have changed. But a śāstra cannot change at a person's whim. All śāstras must be free from the four defects of human nature. The statements of śāstras must be correct for all time.</p>
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<div id="CCAdi17169_2" class="quote" parent="CC_Adi-lila" book="CC" index="2106" link="CC Adi 17.169" link_text="CC Adi 17.169">
<div class="heading">Sometimes Christian priests come to us inquiring, "Why are our followers neglecting our scriptures and accepting yours?" But when we ask them, "Your Bible says, "Do not kill." Why then are you killing so many animals daily?" they cannot answer.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.169|CC Adi 17.169, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">Sometimes Christian priests come to us inquiring, "Why are our followers neglecting our scriptures and accepting yours?" But when we ask them, "Your Bible says, "Do not kill." Why then are you killing so many animals daily?" they cannot answer. Some of them imperfectly answer that the animals have no souls. But then we ask them, "How do you know that animals have no souls? Animals and children are of the same nature. Does this mean that the children of human society also have no souls?" According to the Vedic scriptures, within the body is the owner of the body, the soul.</p>
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<div id="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" class="section" sec_index="3" parent="compilation" text="Other Books by Srila Prabhupada"><h2>Other Books by Srila Prabhupada</h2>
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<div id="Renunciation_Through_Wisdom" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" text="Renunciation Through Wisdom"><h3>Renunciation Through Wisdom</h3>
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<div id="RTW18_0" class="quote" parent="Renunciation_Through_Wisdom" book="OB" index="10" link="RTW 1.8" link_text="Renunciation Through Wisdom 1.8">
<div class="heading">Even scriptures like the Bible or the Koran, declare that the Absolute Truth is the all-powerful, all knowing Supreme Person.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:RTW 1.8|Renunciation Through Wisdom 1.8]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There are sufficient scriptural proofs to substantiate that Lord Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Absolute Truth. Even scriptures like the Bible or the Koran, declare that the Absolute Truth is the all-powerful, all knowing Supreme Person. Throughout the Vedic literature, that Supreme Person is declared to be Lord Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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<div id="RTW28_1" class="quote" parent="Renunciation_Through_Wisdom" book="OB" index="20" link="RTW 2.8" link_text="Renunciation Through Wisdom 2.8">
<div class="heading">The Bible says, "God created man after His own image." According to this statement, man possesses two hands because he has a form similar to God's.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:RTW 2.8|Renunciation Through Wisdom 2.8]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The Bible says, "God created man after His own image." According to this statement, man possesses two hands because he has a form similar to God's. But this doesn't mean that God is a human being because He has two hands. It is a heinous offence to try to diminish the position of Lord Kṛṣṇa because He appeared in a human form. The truth about His divine potency and supreme position should be learned from the self-realized spiritual master, the saintly souls, and the revealed scriptures.</p>
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<div id="RTW44_2" class="quote" parent="Renunciation_Through_Wisdom" book="OB" index="36" link="RTW 4.4" link_text="Renunciation Through Wisdom 4.4">
<div class="heading">The Bible and other scriptures state that man was made according to the form of God, but that does not imply that God is a man.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:RTW 4.4|Renunciation Through Wisdom 4.4]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The gigantic universal form that Lord Kṛṣṇa exhibited to Arjuna is certainly not the quintessence of the Lord's divine mood. In fact, the two-handed human form of Kṛṣṇa playing the flute is the superexcellent manifestation of the Lord. But one must not make the mistake of thinking that because Lord Kṛṣṇa appears as a human, He is human. His form is eternal and full of knowledge and bliss, unlike an ordinary mortal's. He is not even an extraordinary human being. The human form may be a facsimile of the Supreme Lord's transcendental form, but that does not make God a man, or vice versa. The Bible and other scriptures state that man was made according to the form of God, but that does not imply that God is a man.</p>
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<div class="heading">I reproduce Dr. Radhakrishnan's comment on the Bible. These words vaguely describe the philosophy of "simultaneously one and different"; therefore we acknowledge it.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:RTW 4.5|Renunciation Through Wisdom 4.5]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The scriptures have clearly indicated that the ecstasy of devotional service to the Supreme Lord is far superior to the bliss of impersonal liberation, brahmānanda. Indeed, the happiness of merging into the Lord's existence (sāyujya-mukti) is like a puddle of water in a calf's hoofprint compared with the ocean of bliss derived from devotional service. The devotee never prays for the jñānī's sāyujya-mukti, for it is an impossible proposition. By sāyujya-mukti the impersonalists mean relinquishing one's identity, or individuality. This is nothing less than spiritual suicide. In this regard, I reproduce Dr. Radhakrishnan's comment on the Bible:</p>
<p>The doctrine of the Incarnation agitated the Christian world a great deal. Arioes maintained that the Son is not the equal of the Father but created by Him. The view that they are not distinct but only different aspects of one Being is the theory of Sabellius. The former emphasized the distinctness of the Father and the Son and the latter their oneness. The view that finally prevailed was that the Father and the Son were equal and of the same substance; they were, however, distinct persons. ("Introductory Essay," p. 35).</p>
<p>These words vaguely describe the philosophy of "simultaneously one and different"; therefore we acknowledge it. Jesus, the son of God, is a jīva, a separated part of the Supreme Godhead. But the jīva is also spiritual, and hence Jesus is qualitatively the same as the Supreme Lord. But the son can never be equal to the Father in all respects; that is to say, the jīva is never on the same platform as the Supreme Lord. Also, all the jīvas are separate individuals. And just as each jīva is a unique personality, so God is also a unique personality, but the difference is that He is absolute. By describing the Lord as impersonal and formless, one loses sight of His perfect wholeness.</p>
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Optimistic (Lectures)

2010-12-05T21:27:00Z

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<div id="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Lectures" text="Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Lectures"><h3>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonCCMadhyalila20318329NewYorkDecember221966_0" class="quote" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" book="Lec" index="92" link="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.318-329 -- New York, December 22, 1966" link_text="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.318-329 -- New York, December 22, 1966">
<div class="heading">They say that you spiritualists, you are very pessimistic. Yes. He should be pessimistic. There is no question of being optimistic. Where is the optimistic view?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.318-329 -- New York, December 22, 1966|Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.318-329 -- New York, December 22, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We have to be determined to go back to Godhead, to Kṛṣṇa, where going nobody will come to this condemned place. One should know that this is a condemned place. Unless one is fully convinced that this is a place, condemned, one cannot make progress. If he is satisfied with this condemned condition... Just like these Bowery Street men, they are lying on the footpath. They are satisfied. Condemned condition, but they are satisfied. We should not be satisfied in that way. That is very wretched condition. So we are all in wretched condition under the grip of material nature, always suffering threefold miseries. So we should be conscious. Unless we are conscious about this fact, then our human life is spoiled. They say that you spiritualists, you are very pessimistic. Yes. He should be pessimistic. There is no question of being optimistic. Where is the optimistic view?</p>
<p>So unless one becomes very much pessimistic of this material world... Actually, they are, but they want to forget. Somebody is trying to forget it by liquor. Somebody is trying to forget by LSD, and somebody is marijuana, or gañja. But that forgetfulness will not save you. You have to actually forget it, that "This is a condemned place," and you cannot forget this unless you have got ideal place before you. Therefore this śruti-pramāṇa, the Vedic knowledge, will give you: "Here is your ideal place, Kṛṣṇa. Come back to Kṛṣṇa. Try for it. Try your best for this." That is the life. That is human life. And unless one is not conscious to this platform, he is defeated. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ. We are born ignorant. And if we are educated more, more, more into the platform of ignorance, then our life is all defeat, parābhava. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. So long one is not awakened to spiritual consciousness... "What I am? Why I am suffering? Is there any remedy? How I can save me?"—these questions should arise. This is called brahma-jijñāsa. The Vedānta-sūtra explains this brahma-jijñāsa. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. Athāto: "Now. Now it is the time for you to inquire about your Brahman realization, of your Brahman life." That Brahman life begins when we understand that "I am not this material body. I am spirit soul." That is brahma-jñāna. And one who has got this knowledge, he is brāhmaṇa. He is brāhmaṇa. One who has actually attained this knowledge, that "I am not this body; I am spirit soul," that is brahma-jñāna.</p>
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<div id="Festival_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Lectures" text="Festival Lectures"><h3>Festival Lectures</h3>
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<div id="RathayatraSanFranciscoJuly51970_0" class="quote" parent="Festival_Lectures" book="Lec" index="11" link="Ratha-yatra -- San Francisco, July 5, 1970" link_text="Ratha-yatra -- San Francisco, July 5, 1970">
<div class="heading">The symptom of human life is that he should be very much pessimistic, not optimistic, of this material world. Then there is path of liberation.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Ratha-yatra -- San Francisco, July 5, 1970|Ratha-yatra -- San Francisco, July 5, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In this country especially, in all other countries also, the younger generation are not very satisfied. In your country, they say that the frustrated community, the confused community, the hippies. But I have got all sympathy for these frustrated community, everywhere. They should be frustrated. In the Vedānta-sūtra it is said that athāto brahma jijñāsā. This human form of life should feel frustration. If he does not feel frustration, then it is animal life. The symptom of human life is that he should be very much pessimistic, not optimistic, of this material world. Then there is path of liberation. And if we think that we are very much happy here, that is called illusion, māyā. Nobody is actually happy here. But if anyone wrongly thinks that he is happy, that is called māyā, illusion.</p>
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<div id="Initiation_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Lectures" text="Initiation Lectures"><h3>Initiation Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureatInitiationFireSacrificeLosAngelesJuly161969_0" class="quote" parent="Initiation_Lectures" book="Lec" index="19" link="Lecture at Initiation Fire Sacrifice -- Los Angeles, July 16, 1969" link_text="Lecture at Initiation Fire Sacrifice -- Los Angeles, July 16, 1969">
<div class="heading">One should not be foolishly very optimistic, that "I am very well situated. I am enjoying life." This is ignorance.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture at Initiation Fire Sacrifice -- Los Angeles, July 16, 1969|Lecture at Initiation Fire Sacrifice -- Los Angeles, July 16, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">This material world is contamination, infection of the spirit soul. We are suffering... Just like in ordinary diseased condition we suffer on account of infection, similarly the..., one who is intelligent, he should understand that this conditional life is suffering. One should not be foolishly very optimistic, that "I am very well situated. I am enjoying life." This is ignorance. Nobody is enjoying life in this material world; everyone is suffering. Saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka: ** this world is just like blazing forest fire; so everyone is suffering, contaminated. This is the sign, symptoms of contamination, that suffering, threefold miseries-ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika, ādhidaivika. But as the animals, they suffer, but they do not understand, this is animal life. The animal is being taken to the slaughterhouse, but still he's happy. This is animal life. So when one cannot understand his sufferings of this material contamination, his life is animal life. He knows that he's suffering, but he's trying to cover the suffering by some nonsense means: by forgetfulness, by drinking, by intoxication, by this, by that. He's aware of his suffering, but he wants to cover his suffering in a nonsense way. Just like the rabbit. The rabbit, when he's in face to face of some ferocious animal, the rabbit closes the eyes. He thinks he is safe. Similarly, simply by trying to cover our sufferings by artificial means, that is not solution. That is ignorance. The suffering can be solved by enlightenment of spiritual life, spiritual bliss. That is the way.</p>
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<div id="Philosophy_Discussions" class="sub_section" sec_index="13" parent="Lectures" text="Philosophy Discussions"><h3>Philosophy Discussions</h3>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononMaoTseTung_0" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="23" link="Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung">
<div class="heading">Perhaps you have not understood your philosophy; therefore you are so much optimistic.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung|Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: So the whole idea is to make the whole world Communist and there won't be any more enemies.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Why the world... First of all, why the whole world will accept this Communism unless it is perfect? If it is imperfect, how do you expect that the whole world will accept it?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: He says that it is perfect, but there may be some conflict within the party because someone has not understood the philosophy perfectly.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Or perhaps you have not understood your philosophy; therefore you are so much optimistic.</p>
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Logy

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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay21973LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="21" link="Morning Walk -- May 2, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 2, 1973, Los Angeles">
<div class="heading">Logy means science. So theology is also science. Why they reject theology "Yes, you are talking..." What kind of scientist you are? It is a "logy," it is a science.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 2, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- May 2, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The small birds, tiny birds, they are solving their economic question, coming (makes sound:) "bup, bup," finished. They are not stocking, they are not thinking of tomorrow, but are satisfied. They have got eating, sufficient eating, sufficient sex, sufficient intelligence to defend. As soon as we go, immediately they fly away. That is defense. They know how to defend them. They immediately understand, "They are human beings, stronger. They may do some harm. Let us fly away." So these things are everywhere, eating, sleeping, mating and defending. There is no scarcity. Only scarcity is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That we have to preach. Theology... Logy means science, is it not?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Everything, logy means science. So theology is also science. Why they reject theology "Yes, you are talking..." What kind of scientist you are? It is a "logy," it is a science. Why you are giving preference to one "logy" to another? What kind of scientist you are? Even though I am talking of theology, why should you reject it? In Vedic knowledge, "logy" is the basic... Nyāya-prasthāna, śruti-prasthāna, smṛti-prasthāna. These are the three ways of understanding the Absolute Truth.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Logic and argument?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Nyāya-pra... Just like Vedānta-sūtra, it is logic and argument to approach the Absolute Truth. Athāto brahma jijñāsā: "Now it is the time for inquiring about Brahman." This is logic.</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="ConversationwithDevoteesonTheologyApril11975Mayapur_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="41" link="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur">
<div class="heading">What is the basic principle of theology? Why this separate science has been established as "theology"? Logy means science.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur|Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prajāpati: There's always a differentiation we must make between a Christian, who we might meet and engage in argument, and the theologian himself. The theologian is a very oily character, very hard to pin down. The Christian, he may have specific beliefs, dogmatic, tenaciously holding to dogma, but the theologian, he-</p>
<p>Acyutānanda: Well what does that...? What do they say?</p>
<p>Prajāpati: The theologians?</p>
<p>Acyutānanda: Yes.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: They are simply word-jugglers. They are not held nearly so tight to...</p>
<p>Acyutānanda: Well, then, what's some of the things they invent?</p>
<p>Prajāpati: Well, one we were bringing up is that theology is a means that faithful men are coming to understand themselves, not that are approaching God. One approaches God within a community and within...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That a faithful man understands God, that we say. Then what is the basic principle of theology? Why this separate science has been established as "theology"? Logy means science.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: Yes. From the Christian point of view, the science is there simply that man does not accept simply by sentiment or by faith, but he can have his mind convinced as well.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithDevoteesonTheologyApril11975Mayapur_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="41" link="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur">
<div class="heading">"Then why you put theology?" That is our point. "There's no use talking of God"—that is another thing. But when you make "logy," you must come to logic. "Logy" means discussion. Is it not? "Logy" means science?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur|Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (Chuckles) So I am just interested, but people will, many people will come and many theories. So you discuss among yourself how to get the strength to defend yourself and to convince them.</p>
<p>Acyutānanda: But unless their theology is practical, if it is not practical, then it is useless to study theology, if it has no practical application.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: They make that point. "Therefore," they say, "such talk about God is impractical. So therefore we don't bother talking about God."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "Then why you put theology?" That is our point. "Then why you have put this theology?" "There's no use talking of God"—that is another thing. But when you make "logy," you must come to logic. "Logy" means discussion. Is it not? "Logy" means science?</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of "logy"?</p>
<p>Ravīndra-svarūpa: Knowledge</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hmmm? Find out this dictionary meaning.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: Logic is the rational ordering of thoughts in words.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithDevoteesonTheologyApril11975Mayapur_2" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="41" link="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur">
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur|Conversation with Devotees on Theology -- April 1, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śrutakīrti: There's the word "logos," "logo." "Logos" is here. It means "word, or second person of a trinity."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. "Logy."</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: "Logy" is not here.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Logic.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Logic.</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: Logic is here. "Scheme of or trustees (?) on, science of reasoning..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That... That...</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: "...chain of reasoning, arguments, logical..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: "...of logic, in conformity with principles of logic."</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Science of reasoning.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: In words.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So "logy" means logic.</p>
<p>Acyutānanda: If you say what you are..., your own theory, cannot be done, that's illogical.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune261975LosAngeles_3" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="113" link="Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles">
<div class="heading">They say anthropology, but it is not logy; it is theory. "Maybe," "200,000,000's of years." What is this? Logy does not mean that.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (in car) So do these people know what is the science of God?</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: No. But they pretend that they do.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, pretending will not do. You must explain what is God. "Something," "perhaps," this is not science. (break)</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: ...if no one else knows, they're able to fool them.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Each man presents his own theory.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is theosophy, that is not theology. Theosophy means a system of speculation, that's all. And theology does not require. Biology. Logy means science. They say anthropology, but it is not logy; it is theory. "Maybe," "200,000,000's of years." What is this? Logy does not mean that.</p>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationJuly311976NewMayapurFrenchfarm_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="235" link="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)">
<div class="heading">This biology and this "logy," they are useless. There is no necessity. What you'll gain by understanding biology? Even one who knows biology, the medical man, he gives a tablet, "Perhaps it may help you."
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)|Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Jyotirmāyī: You were saying that the children should learn these three, geography and these things, and I wanted to know if they should also learn what they call biology, that is how the body is working, what are the bones and blood and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the use?</p>
<p>Jyotirmāyī: Just to have some general knowledge...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Simply waste of time, simply waste of time.</p>
<p>Jyotirmāyī: Even the basic of this?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the basic? What you will know by that? Biology is going on, whether you study or not study. You are eating, it is transforming into blood, everyone knows. And how he's transforming into blood? What is the use?</p>
<p>Jyotirmāyī: You were saying they should learn geography and history, just for general knowledge.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is because you have to go from America to India. You must know. (laughter) You have to calculate two plus two equal to four, a little mathematics. But this biology and this "logy," they are useless. There is no necessity. What you'll gain by understanding biology? Even one who knows biology, the medical man, he gives a tablet, "Perhaps it may help you." "Perhaps." He's not sure. So what is the use? First of all, he'll take one ounce of blood from you, and they send, this station, that station, now making a chart, then he'll give you a tablet, "Perhaps it may help." This is going on. Even the biggest pathologist, medical man, cannot guarantee that whatever medicine...</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary191977Bhuvanesvara_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="32" link="Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara">
<div class="heading">No "logy" before Kṛṣṇa conscious. All "logy" finished.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: There's a few people asking for darśana.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: There's one boy we've been preaching to. He's a student in sociology.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Let him come. No "logy" before Kṛṣṇa conscious. All "logy" finished.</p>
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Spiritual science (Letters)

2010-10-31T14:28:07Z

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<div class="heading">Maharishi Mahesa has gained so much popularity over Europe or America, means the people of this part of the world are not very much advanced in spiritual science.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1968|Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Our program for Krishna Consciousness is solid, and backed by most authoritative literature—Bhagavad-gita, and Srimad-Bhagavatam; there is no question of our not being popular to the world. Simply we have to present ourselves in true perspective. We can challenge any rascals of the world but the difficulty is that it is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss. Maharishi Mahesa has gained so much popularity over Europe or America, means the people of this part of the world are not very much advanced in spiritual science. What is there philosophy in the teachings of Maharishi Mahesa? He is very clever man to collect fund. He is proposing individual mantra which is complete nonsense, and he is charging for mantra and allowing his disciples to enjoy life as they like. So these are all nonsense propaganda proposals, but people are blind in accepting his advice.</p>
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<div id="LettertoNandaraniSeattle15October1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="370" link="Letter to Nandarani -- Seattle 15 October, 1968" link_text="Letter to Nandarani -- Seattle 15 October, 1968">
<div class="heading">People are not going there, neither Government has any arrangement to educate this spiritual science. So therefore I have come to your country, and those who are eager to receive, they are coming to us.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Nandarani -- Seattle 15 October, 1968|Letter to Nandarani -- Seattle 15 October, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very much pleased with your preaching enthusiasm, when you say, "If people won't come to us, here, we will go to them." And this is the process of preaching, and this is required. I thank you very much for your this spirit. Just like I have come to your country, with the same spirit. Actually, still even in so much fallen condition of India, if one has to learn spiritual science, then he must consult some bona fide spiritual master, in India. That is the opinion of a great Chinese author. So people are not going there, neither Government has any arrangement to educate this spiritual science. So therefore I have come to your country, and those who are eager to receive, they are coming to us.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoTuryaNewVrindaban5June1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="342" link="Letter to Turya -- New Vrindaban 5 June, 1969" link_text="Letter to Turya -- New Vrindaban 5 June, 1969">
<div class="heading">As you are having questions about this great spiritual science of Bhagavad-gita, please consult with Gaurasundara, he is a very intelligent boy, and I am also always at your service to help as far as possible.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Turya -- New Vrindaban 5 June, 1969|Letter to Turya -- New Vrindaban 5 June, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now you have your beads, so please chant at least 16 rounds daily, and read from Bhagavad-gita As It Is at least one chapter daily. Gaurasundara will instruct you as to the 10 offenses that must be avoided. The four principal regulative restrictions that you must follow are 1) no intoxication, including coffee or tea, 2) no illicit sex-life, 3) no nonvegetarian diet, 4) no gambling. I understand from Gaurasundara that already you are helping the Hawaii temple and that you are a very nice, sincere boy. So with these nice qualifications of sincerity and service surely you will make nice progress in perfecting your life in Krishna consciousness. As you are having questions about this great spiritual science of Bhagavad-gita, please consult with Gaurasundara, he is a very intelligent boy, and I am also always at your service to help as far as possible.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="LettertoUnknownTittenhurst1October1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="595" link="Letter to Unknown -- Tittenhurst 1 October, 1969" link_text="Letter to Unknown -- Tittenhurst 1 October, 1969">
<div class="heading">We can, by sincere cultivation of bona fide spiritual science attain to the state of pure, unending blissful consciousness, free from anxiety in this very lifetime.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Unknown -- Tittenhurst 1 October, 1969|Letter to Unknown -- Tittenhurst 1 October, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">7) We can, by sincere cultivation of bona fide spiritual science attain to the state of pure, unending blissful consciousness, free from anxiety in this very lifetime.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoProfessorJFStaalLosAngeles30January1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="65" link="Letter to Professor J. F. Staal -- Los Angeles 30 January, 1970" link_text="Letter to Professor J. F. Staal -- Los Angeles 30 January, 1970">
<div class="heading">By devotional service, by understanding well what is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, anyone who goes to His Abode never comes back again to this material condition. How is it possible? The answer is, simply by chanting His name constantly.
This is accepted by the exemplary disciple, Arjuna, who has perfectly learned the conclusion of spiritual science from the Yogisvara, master of mystic knowledge, Krishna.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Professor J. F. Staal -- Los Angeles 30 January, 1970|Letter to Professor J. F. Staal -- Los Angeles 30 January, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">By devotional service, by understanding well what is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, anyone who goes to His Abode never comes back again to this material condition. How is it possible? The answer is, simply by chanting His name constantly.</p>
<p>This is accepted by the exemplary disciple, Arjuna, who has perfectly learned the conclusion of spiritual science from the Yogisvara, master of mystic knowledge, Krishna, recognizing Krishna to be the Supreme Brahman, Arjuna addresses Him: "Sthane Hrsikesa . . ." (B.G. 11:36)—"the world becomes joyful hearing Your Names; and thus do all become attached to You." The process of chanting is herein authorized as the direct means of contacting the Supreme Absolute Truth the Personality of Godhead. Simply by chanting the Holy Name, Krishna, the soul is attracted by the Supreme Person, Krishna, for going home, back to Godhead.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHanumanPrasadPoddarLosAngeles5February1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="77" link="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">When Indian young men will see that foreign students from England, America, Canada, Australia, etc. are taking interest in the spiritual science left by the Acaryas headed by Lord Krishna, then naturally they will also take part.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970|Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I want to start a center in India at the birth-site of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu specially for accommodating non-Indian students for taking lessons in this great transcendental art. When Indian young men will see that foreign students from England, America, Canada, Australia, etc. are taking interest in the spiritual science left by the Acaryas headed by Lord Krishna, then naturally they will also take part. It will be a great expensive job, but still if one half the expense is borne by the Indians I shall manage to send the other half from America and Europe. As your good self has voluntarily offered some service on account of this Krishna Consciousness Movement, I shall be very much pleased if you kindly consider this proposal.</p>
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<div id="LettertoVamanadevaLosAngeles12February1970_2" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="92" link="Letter to Vamanadeva -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Vamanadeva -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">I am so happy to see that you have introduced our Bhakti Yoga or Krishna Consciousness classes in two universities, St. Louis University and Washington University. This is the real course of study for human beings and we should use such good opportunities to give the young collegiate boys and girls this education of spiritual science.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Vamanadeva -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1970|Letter to Vamanadeva -- Los Angeles 12 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I may inform you that by the grace of Krsna this mission of spreading Krishna Consciousness is being enthusiastically pushed on for the benefit of the whole world by the assistance of all my disciples, good souls like your self and your good wife. I am so happy to see that you have introduced our Bhakti Yoga or Krishna Consciousness classes in two universities, St. Louis University and Washington University. This is the real course of study for human beings and we should use such good opportunities to give the young collegiate boys and girls this education of spiritual science. So please conduct these courses diligently to influence the hearts of the students and encourage them to participate in your temple's activities as well as weekly classes at the universities.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSucandraLosAngeles19February1970_3" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="110" link="Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">As soon as a devotee is regularly engaged in this way, always engaged in Krsna Consciousness, Krsna will reveal the whole spiritual science from within the heart of such sincere devotee.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970|Letter to Sucandra -- Los Angeles 19 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is most important that our activities be regular or, in other words, on a schedule. Everyone should chant his beads sixteen rounds daily without fail and follow the regulative principles strictly. These basic Krsna Conscious duties are essential to be performed regularly, and they will give you the necessary strength of spirit to keep always fixed up in devotional service. As soon as a devotee is regularly engaged in this way, always engaged in Krsna Consciousness, Krsna will reveal the whole spiritual science from within the heart of such sincere devotee.</p>
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<div id="LettertoJayapatakaLosAngeles17April1970_4" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="241" link="Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 17 April, 1970" link_text="Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 17 April, 1970">
<div class="heading">Actually Hindus and non-Hindus - everyone is at the present moment out of touch of the real science of spiritual knowledge.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 17 April, 1970|Letter to Jayapataka -- Los Angeles 17 April, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding the Hindu centers in the foreign countries, none of them are bona fide. There is a similar hodge podge center in London. Actually Hindus and non-Hindus everyone is at the present moment out of touch of the real science of spiritual knowledge. Everyone is going under some religious badge only, so it is very difficult to deal with them unless they are very much serious to understand the science of God. Everyone of the Hindu community in the Western world has got some very good feeling for me because superficially they are seeing that I am spreading Hindu religion, but factually this Krishna Consciousness movement is neither Hindu religion nor any other religion. It is the function of the soul. So even though the Indian Hindus are very much inclined in my favor, so far I have experience it is very difficult to turn them into pure devotees. The difficulty has become more acute on account of Ramakrishna Mission's preaching that any opinion about religion is alright. But our philosophy is different, we do not accept any opinion which is not advised by Krishna. So unless one is very fortunate, never mind whether he is Hindu or non-Hindu, one cannot take to the Krishna Consciousness movement and accept its bona fide principles.</p>
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<div id="LettertoEkayaniLosAngeles25July1970_5" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="447" link="Letter to Ekayani -- Los Angeles 25 July, 1970" link_text="Letter to Ekayani -- Los Angeles 25 July, 1970">
<div class="heading">This is our principle that the spiritual science becomes revealed to the devotee from within the heart according to the degree of his surrender to Krsna.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Ekayani -- Los Angeles 25 July, 1970|Letter to Ekayani -- Los Angeles 25 July, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad to know that you are reading our literatures and you are very thoughtful about them. I am always happy to answer your questions, but you should practice to get the answers from your husband and try to find them out by reading further in our books. All questions will be clarified if you simply read our books very thoroughly and follow the simple process of devotional service as we have given it to chant regularly and rigidly observe the rules and regulations. This is our principle that the spiritual science becomes revealed to the devotee from within the heart according to the degree of his surrender to Krsna. You are a very hopeful student and intelligent devotee, so you continue to pursue your devotional activities patiently and Krsna will open your path of Krsna consciousness so you will progress more and more.</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoThakuraHaridasaLosAngeles23April1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="145" link="Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973" link_text="Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973">
<div class="heading">Just like the scientists they are getting millions of dollars from the government for their researches. But, have they been able to cure death, disease, old age, and birth? That is not possible for them because they are ignorant of spiritual science as given by Krishna in Bhagavad-gita.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973|Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My Dear Thakura Haridasa:</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated April 21, 1973 and also the screenplay "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" from Mr. Diamond. So it is good work that you are getting important man to understand the importance of Krishna consciousness in the modern world. If the important men of your country use their wealth to support this movement then the whole face of the society can be changed. Just like the scientists they are getting millions of dollars from the government for their researches. But, have they been able to cure death, disease, old age, and birth? That is not possible for them because they are ignorant of spiritual science as given by Krishna in Bhagavad-gita. So we have to push this knowledge in the world and so money is required. So it is very nice Mr. Diamond has given $3,000.00 for the Book Trust, that is practical help.</p>
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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMurari74MarineDriveBombay20Nov171970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="600" link="Letter to Murari -- 74, Marine Drive, Bombay 20 Nov. 17, 1970" link_text="Letter to Murari -- 74, Marine Drive, Bombay 20 Nov. 17, 1970">
<div class="heading">Now that you are in London please try to eliminate this L4000 debt, the balance of which is unpaid Back to Godhead bills.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Murari -- 74, Marine Drive, Bombay 20 Nov. 17, 1970|Letter to Murari -- 74, Marine Drive, Bombay 20 Nov. 17, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now that you are in London please try to eliminate this L4000 debt, the balance of which is unpaid Back to Godhead bills. The magazines and books are in great shortage of funds simply because the temples spend their income from literatures for temple maintenance and neglect the primary work of this Society, which is to print and distribute an increasing number of books. So please try to assist me in this way, by eliminating this debt. I have given you the hint that if you send me $10,000 you may keep the balance of profits from Krsna book to help pay this bill. Now this is my request, that you simply distribute these books immediately and deposit $10,000 in the Bhaktivedanta Book Fund Deposit with Dai Nippon in Japan.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBalavantaBombay22December1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="583" link="Letter to Balavanta -- Bombay 22 December, 1971" link_text="Letter to Balavanta -- Bombay 22 December, 1971">
<div class="heading">The material scientists are fond of always improving this or that, but factually we see there is no real improvement. As soon as one trouble is eliminated, another is there.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Balavanta -- Bombay 22 December, 1971|Letter to Balavanta -- Bombay 22 December, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am especially pleased that you are infiltrating the schools and colleges with improved programs, how to encourage the student class to participate in Krishna Consciousness. I completely approve of this program. I am also glad to hear from you how the distribution of literatures is also improving. That is the real meaning of improvement. The material scientists are fond of always improving this or that, but factually we see there is no real improvement. As soon as one trouble is eliminated, another is there. If we have cars to go faster and faster, then where are the roads for it, and so many people are killed. But real improvement means how to please Krishna more and more. That is real advancement, real progress.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBalimardanaCalcutta5March1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="131" link="Letter to Bali-mardana -- Calcutta 5 March, 1972" link_text="Letter to Bali-mardana -- Calcutta 5 March, 1972">
<div class="heading">I am also pleased to hear that you have eliminated all the book debts from ISKCON Press.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bali-mardana -- Calcutta 5 March, 1972|Letter to Bali-mardana -- Calcutta 5 March, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am also pleased to hear that you have eliminated all the book debts from ISKCON Press. I am very much pleased that you are working so nicely. Now you and Karandhara, along with Hayagriva, Jayadvaita and others, you conjointly think how to double and again double our books supply, there is no limit in this respect.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaHonolulu9May1972_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="234" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Honolulu 9 May, 1972" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Honolulu 9 May, 1972">
<div class="heading">60,000 pieces of literature per month means you should send the entire amount collected until this debt is completely eliminated. It is not good if such big temples who are setting the example for the whole Society do not pay their bills.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Honolulu 9 May, 1972|Letter to Rupanuga -- Honolulu 9 May, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There seem to be vast discrepancies between your figures and those of Karandhara. For instance, he reports that since first of January, 1972, New York has remitted only $1243 to BTG Fund and $1538.20 to Book Fund, leaving balances due to BTG and Book Funds of $4571.05 and $5235.90 respectively. But you say your BTG debt is only $1,620 and BKF debt is only $3,897. If you are selling daily average of 2,000 literatures, why so little money is being paid by you on these debts? 60,000 pieces of literature per month means you should send the entire amount collected until this debt is completely eliminated. It is not good if such big temples who are setting the example for the whole Society do not pay their bills. This is most irregular. I am trying to retire from the administrative affairs, but if the presidents and GBC men make such disturbances then how I can be peaceful? Things should be maintained automatically, then it will be peaceful for me.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaLosAngeles1July1970_2" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="346" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 1 July, 1970" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 1 July, 1970">
<div class="heading">By our mutual combination I am certain that we can improve the entire humanity to the point of spiritual understanding and thus automatically eliminate the basis for wars, poverty, disease, inequality, insufficient supplies of foodstuffs, and so many other problems that plague our so-called civilized societies.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 1 July, 1970|Letter to Rupanuga -- Los Angeles 1 July, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">As I think you have tried once before and you have met some important political leaders in your Washington, D.C., so I am requesting you especially should take up this task very seriously of convincing your nation's leaders to give us all cooperation, and we shall in turn volunteer our all services to help them. By our mutual combination I am certain that we can improve the entire humanity to the point of spiritual understanding and thus automatically eliminate the basis for wars, poverty, disease, inequality, insufficient supplies of foodstuffs, and so many other problems that plague our so-called civilized societies.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSukadevaAhmedabad13December1972_3" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="613" link="Letter to Sukadeva -- Ahmedabad 13 December, 1972" link_text="Letter to Sukadeva -- Ahmedabad 13 December, 1972">
<div class="heading">Mass, too, we do not eliminate anyone, but if best men are there to run on things, mass will follow later.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sukadeva -- Ahmedabad 13 December, 1972|Letter to Sukadeva -- Ahmedabad 13 December, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So you know this art, how to attract and engage men, so aim yourself at the top-class of men and give them every opportunity and facility to become convinced of our philosophy and engage themselves to their satisfaction. That will be the best contribution. Now spread this idea also to the other leaders. So now I do not think there will be any difficulty for you to fill your Seattle centre with the best devotees in our Movement, and then I shall be very glad to come there at next opportunity to give them all my personal instruction. In this way, appeal yourself to the high class of men, not the mass. Mass, too, we do not eliminate anyone, but if best men are there to run on things, mass will follow later.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSriGovindaBombay25December1972_4" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="636" link="Letter to Sri Govinda -- Bombay 25 December, 1972" link_text="Letter to Sri Govinda -- Bombay 25 December, 1972">
<div class="heading">Perfect society, or Vedic society, does not eliminate competition—competition, stronger and weaker, must be there—but it eliminates envy, because everyone is weak before Krishna.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sri Govinda -- Bombay 25 December, 1972|Letter to Sri Govinda -- Bombay 25 December, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yes, there must always be competition, that gives life, that cannot be separated from life. Sanatana dharma means the strong will utilize the energy of the weak, the weak must serve the strong, that we see everywhere, is it not? Who can deny? So that competitive spirit makes us strong, otherwise it is a society of weak men only, and what is the good of such society? But if you ask anyone are you weak or strong, he must answer that he is weak—he cannot control even his toothache, what to speak of his death. Therefore, in fact, it is a society of weak men—everyone is weak before Durga Devi or the material energy. If you see sometimes her picture, the foolish materialist is being held by the claws of her tiger-carrier, while she pierces him to death with her trident weapon. She has got ten arms, each with weapon, she is so strong, but we are so weak that simply by piercing with her trident, the three-fold miseries, adhibhautika, adhidaivika, and adhyatmika, the foolish materialists are all defeated! And before Krishna, Durga devi is very weak—Krishna is the controller of Durga. So Krishna is the strongest: sattyam sattvavatam aham, "I am the strength of the strong." Therefore, being weak, it is the eternal occupational duty of the living entity to surrender to Krishna, that's all. In the surrendering to Krishna, if everyone does it, still, the brahmanas will be served by the lower castes, the kings will be served by vaisyas and sudras, the vaisyas will be served by the sudras, and the sudras will serve all higher castes—there is still utilizing the weak by the strong—but feeling themselves always very much weak in comparison to Krishna, the whole society services the Strongest, therefore there will be no envy of the stronger by the weaker class of men. So perfect society, or Vedic society, does not eliminate competition—competition, stronger and weaker, must be there—but it eliminates envy, because everyone is weak before Krishna. Is that clear?</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKirtananandaSydney18February1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="75" link="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Sydney 18 February, 1973" link_text="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Sydney 18 February, 1973">
<div class="heading">From these plans everything seems to be in order except the domes are making the temple look like a mosque. Therefore you please eliminate these domes and consult the Mayapur plan which can be obtained by writing Calcutta for design of the domes.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Kirtanananda -- Sydney 18 February, 1973|Letter to Kirtanananda -- Sydney 18 February, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My Dear Kirtanananda,</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated January 20th. and February first along with your enclosed plans of the Radha Govindaji Temple in New Vrindaban. From these plans everything seems to be in order except the domes are making the temple look like a mosque. Therefore you please eliminate these domes and consult the Mayapur plan which can be obtained by writing Calcutta for design of the domes. The Deities should be facing East. If you are laying the foundation stone to this temple there is a ceremony which you can observe.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBalimardanaJuhuBombayOctober231973_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="357" link="Letter to Bali-mardana -- Juhu, Bombay October 23, 1973" link_text="Letter to Bali-mardana -- Juhu, Bombay October 23, 1973">
<div class="heading">The land is in our full possession as proprietor. All bad elements have been eliminated. Now we must execute the building of the temple.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bali-mardana -- Juhu, Bombay October 23, 1973|Letter to Bali-mardana -- Juhu, Bombay October 23, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yes, I have received the $118,000 plus $25,000. Everything is received, cashed and spent. The land is in our full possession as proprietor. All bad elements have been eliminated. Now we must execute the building of the temple.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoGBCGodbrothersVrindaban14September1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="401" link="Letter to GBC Godbrothers -- Vrindaban 14 September, 1974" link_text="Letter to GBC Godbrothers -- Vrindaban 14 September, 1974">
<div class="heading">Only under very extraordinary conditions can a temple be closed when there is consultation. Even then a temple is not to be eliminated but moved to an other place.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to GBC Godbrothers -- Vrindaban 14 September, 1974|Letter to GBC Godbrothers -- Vrindaban 14 September, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">To close a temple is a very serious business, as well as opening one. It means that we are calling Krsna to come and reside there. Once Krsna is there, we cannot tell Him to now leave. Whimsically closing a temple means we do not understand what is devotional service and violates bhakti. Only under very extraordinary conditions can a temple be closed when there is consultation. Even then a temple is not to be eliminated but moved to an other place.</p>
<p>We hope this meets you in good health.</p>
<p>Approved Signed</p>
<p>A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami </p>
<p>Brahmananda Swami</p>
<p>Bali Mardan das</p>
<p>Bhagavan das</p>
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<div id="LettertoAtreyaRsiBombay15November1974_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="568" link="Letter to Atreya Rsi -- Bombay 15 November, 1974" link_text="Letter to Atreya Rsi -- Bombay 15 November, 1974">
<div class="heading">In your letter to Ramesvara you call for a meeting of GBC to develop a system of management and communications which will eliminate chances of recurrences. This is a good suggestion you have made, so when we next meet together, you must give it some practical shape.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Atreya Rsi -- Bombay 15 November, 1974|Letter to Atreya Rsi -- Bombay 15 November, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now you are a practical business manager, so we are expanding by Krishna's grace; so try to make some formula so our institution may go on without any difficulty. In your letter to Ramesvara you call for a meeting of GBC to develop a system of management and communications which will eliminate chances of recurrences. This is a good suggestion you have made, so when we next meet together, you must give it some practical shape.</p>
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PhD (Letters)

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMarioWindischLosAngeles25February1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="84" link="Letter to Mario Windisch -- Los Angeles 25 February, 1968" link_text="Letter to Mario Windisch -- Los Angeles 25 February, 1968">
<div class="heading">Janardana das Adhikari is a very learned scholar and is highly advanced in Krishna Consciousness. I have good hope and faith in him, and when you meet him you will be very much pleased to talk with him. He is M.A., and preparing for his Ph.D., and is a good scholar in the French language also.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mario Windisch -- Los Angeles 25 February, 1968|Letter to Mario Windisch -- Los Angeles 25 February, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just after sending you my letter sometimes in the month of May, 1967, I also fell seriously ill by heart stroke, and my disciples here admitted me into the hospital. I tried to recoup my health here but I could not do it properly, so I went back to India for some time, and I again have come back here last December. First I was in San Francisco, now I have come to Los Angeles, and from here I shall again go to San Francisco, from where I shall go to New York, then to Boston, maybe to Buffalo, and then I shall reach Montreal by the month of June. If you come there by that time, it will be a great pleasure to meet you. Our Montreal Temple is situated at the following address: 3720 Park Avenue, Montreal 18, Quebec, Canada. The boy in charge of the Temple is Janardana das Adhikari, and he can be reached at the number 849-4334 (his home telephone). He is a very learned scholar and is highly advanced in Krishna Consciousness. I have good hope and faith in him, and when you meet him you will be very much pleased to talk with him. He is M.A., and preparing for his Ph.D., and is a good scholar in the French language also.</p>
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<div id="LettertoJanardanaNewYork26April1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="151" link="Letter to Janardana -- New York 26 April, 1968" link_text="Letter to Janardana -- New York 26 April, 1968">
<div class="heading">I am so glad to learn that your examination in M.A. is successful, and I hope very soon you will have your Ph.D. degrees, both titles engaged in the service of the Lord.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Janardana -- New York 26 April, 1968|Letter to Janardana -- New York 26 April, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am so glad to learn that your examination in M.A. is successful, and I hope very soon you will have your Ph.D. degrees, both titles engaged in the service of the Lord. There are four things desirable in this material world, namely, good parentage, sumptuous wealth, sufficient education, and good beauty. These things are sometimes impediments in the service of the Lord because such persons with great parentage, wealth, etc., becomes materially puffed up, and thus deviates from Krishna Consciousness, but when they are employed in the service of the Lord, their value becomes many more times greater. Just like zero has no value, but when zero is placed on right side of one, the value of zero enhances to 10 times; similarly, our life, wealth, intelligence, and words become 100 times 100 greater and greater if they are employed in the service of the Lord. I shall always pray to Krishna that you may come out a successful and eminent scholar so that your writings and thoughts may be seriously taken by the mundane wranglers.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHayagrivaLosAngeles18November1968_2" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="427" link="Letter to Hayagriva -- Los Angeles 18 November, 1968" link_text="Letter to Hayagriva -- Los Angeles 18 November, 1968">
<div class="heading">The handbill of Dr. Frog, Ph.D. is very funny, and we should try to fight with these frog philosophers overcrowding all over the world.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hayagriva -- Los Angeles 18 November, 1968|Letter to Hayagriva -- Los Angeles 18 November, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter of Nov. 12, 1968, and I am very much pleased to note the contents. The handbill of Dr. Frog, Ph.D. is very funny, and we should try to fight with these frog philosophers overcrowding all over the world. Your success in kirtana performances in the University campus is also very encouraging.</p>
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<div id="LettertoJanardanaLosAngeles19December1968_3" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="501" link="Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 19 December, 1968" link_text="Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 19 December, 1968">
<div class="heading">Please try for your Ph.D. very seriously and I am sure that Krishna will certainly help you in this matter.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 19 December, 1968|Letter to Janardana -- Los Angeles 19 December, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I you want, I can send you the theistic vedanta interpretation which you can edit and translate into the French language for publication in Back To Godhead. There are four chapters of Vedanta Sutra and the first one called Janmadyasya. I have explained in my Srimad-Bhagavatam at the very beginning. You can see it and if you think it is nice then I'll try to explain the other sutras in the same way. I am enclosing herewith the sanskrit transliterations and meanings as requested by you.</p>
<p>Please try for your Ph.D. very seriously and I am sure that Krishna will certainly help you in this matter. I hope that this finds you in good health.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoTirthaMaharajaLosAngeles7February1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="101" link="Letter to Tirtha Maharaja -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1969" link_text="Letter to Tirtha Maharaja -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1969">
<div class="heading">Kirtanananda (Keith Ham, B.A.) was sent back to the USA to organize my New Vrindaban scheme in West Virginia, and he is working there along with another of my disciples, Professor Howard Wheeler M.A., in cooperation with Dr. George Henderson M.A., Ph.D., and others.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Tirtha Maharaja -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1969|Letter to Tirtha Maharaja -- Los Angeles 7 February, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In 1967, when I went to India, five American disciples were with me. One of them, Kirtanananda (Keith Ham, B.A.), was given sannyasa by me at Vrindaban. He was sent back to the USA to organize my New Vrindaban scheme in West Virginia, and he is working there along with another of my disciples, Professor Howard Wheeler M.A., in cooperation with Dr. George Henderson M.A., Ph.D., and others. The remaining four disciples were entrusted to live at the Institute of Swami Bon Maharaja, but on account of his canvassing them for becoming his disciples they left him, although one of them, Hrsikesa, is still living c/o Bon Maharaja as his re-initiated disciple (?) Two other of my disciples are still at Vrindaban in my place at Radha Damodara Temple, and Bon Maharaja is still after them to deviate their faith upon me.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHanumanPrasadPoddarLosAngeles5February1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="77" link="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">Recently one Indian boy, he is a PhD at St. Louis University, has joined our St. Louis center, and the copies of his inquiries and answers by me are sent herewith for your perusal.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970|Letter to Hanuman Prasad Poddar -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad to learn that you want to publicize our activities for the young men in India, but I find that here the young men are very much inquisitive. I do not know why in India the young men are not so much inquisitive—maybe they are very much embarrassed to solve economic problems. Recently one Indian boy, he is a PhD at St. Louis University, has joined our St. Louis center, and the copies of his inquiries and answers by me are sent herewith for your perusal. So far European and American young boys and girls are concerned, they also send me many inquiries by letter and I answer them in the same way, generally giving reference from the Bhagavad-gita As It Is. These students are very nicely combating elements opposing Bhakti school. There are hundreds of letters from them; and if you are serious to make some agitation among Indian young men, then on hearing from you, I can some of the letters for publication.</p>
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<div id="LettertoUmapatiLosAngeles30March1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="206" link="Letter to Umapati -- Los Angeles 30 March, 1970" link_text="Letter to Umapati -- Los Angeles 30 March, 1970">
<div class="heading">I think Janardana is very busy in preparation for his Ph.D. because I have also not heard from him for a long time. So let him continue his studies. There is no need of disturbing him at present.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Umapati -- Los Angeles 30 March, 1970|Letter to Umapati -- Los Angeles 30 March, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I think Janardana is very busy in preparation for his Ph.D. because I have also not heard from him for a long time. So let him continue his studies. There is no need of disturbing him at present. Better both you and Suridas take up this translation work seriously. I think there are some devotees in Montreal who can also translate into French language. Anyway, arrange for this work immediately, without waiting anymore.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRudraRadhikaCalcutta20February1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="105" link="Letter to Rudra, Radhika -- Calcutta 20 February, 1972" link_text="Letter to Rudra, Radhika -- Calcutta 20 February, 1972">
<div class="heading">I am very glad to hear that Louise Bourassa has joined us. Thank her for understanding our philosophy. She is PhD., so she may translate all of my books into French language in cooperation with Yogesvara at ISKCON Press in New York, who is in charge of the foreign languages printing of my books.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rudra, Radhika -- Calcutta 20 February, 1972|Letter to Rudra, Radhika -- Calcutta 20 February, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad to hear that Louise Bourassa has joined us. Thank her for understanding our philosophy. She is PhD., so she may translate all of my books into French language in cooperation with Yogesvara at ISKCON Press in New York, who is in charge of the foreign languages printing of my books. She may also write article for BTG why she came to KC and comparing our philosophy to others.</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoThakuraHaridasaLosAngeles23April1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="145" link="Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973" link_text="Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973">
<div class="heading">Just like one of our students, he is scientist, Ph.d, and he can present God by scientific statement.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973|Letter to Thakura Haridasa -- Los Angeles 23 April, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is very nice Mr. Diamond has given $3,000.00 for the Book Trust, that is practical help. I can understand from the play he is talented man. Now you have to impress upon hm, that when talent is used to glorify the Supreme Lord, that is perfection of talent. Just like one of our students, he is scientist, Ph.d, and he can present God by scientific statement. He has written one small book presenting God consciousness based on scientific statement very nicely so we are publishing it.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRamesvaraNewVrindaban20July1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="285" link="Letter to Ramesvara -- New Vrindaban 20 July, 1974" link_text="Letter to Ramesvara -- New Vrindaban 20 July, 1974">
<div class="heading">You can add to that letter that Dr. Svarupa Damodara M.S. PhD. U.S.A. has written recently one book Scientific Basis of Krsna Consciousness and there was no contract or agreement.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Ramesvara -- New Vrindaban 20 July, 1974|Letter to Ramesvara -- New Vrindaban 20 July, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Please accept my blessings. I have just received one letter from Dr. O.B.L. Kapoor of Vrindaban and would like to know if you have sent that letter to him regarding the book publishing. You can add to that letter that Dr. Svarupa Damodara M.S. PhD. U.S.A. has written recently one book Scientific Basis of Krsna Consciousness and there was no contract or agreement. He has given us the book, and we have printed 30,000 copies. We shall not publish on the basis of royalty.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoPierreSauvageauHonolulu2February1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="109" link="Letter to Pierre Sauvageau -- Honolulu 2 February, 1975" link_text="Letter to Pierre Sauvageau -- Honolulu 2 February, 1975">
<div class="heading">I like the idea of yours to continue on for PHD presenting our books and philosophy in your thesis. This will be a great service for you to perform and I shall be very grateful to you if you can do it.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Pierre Sauvageau -- Honolulu 2 February, 1975|Letter to Pierre Sauvageau -- Honolulu 2 February, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very pleased to know that you have taken such a great interest in our Hare Krishna Movement. You are an educated man and you can use your education very nicely in the service of Krishna. I like the idea of yours to continue on for PHD presenting our books and philosophy in your thesis. This will be a great service for you to perform and I shall be very grateful to you if you can do it. Please therefore go ahead with obtaining PHD and become a learned scholar in the science of loving Krishna.* This will be a wonderful credit for you and you will surely get recognition from Krishna for such an attempt.</p>
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<div id="LettertoPrabhakarHonolulu31May1975_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="293" link="Letter to Prabhakar -- Honolulu 31 May, 1975" link_text="Letter to Prabhakar -- Honolulu 31 May, 1975">
<div class="heading">Immediately, what I want is in the Kuruksetra university a class should be opened for studying Krishna Consciousness and there are already about 50 books in English and Sanskrit, so if the university offers degree, B.A., M.A., and P.H.D. in different grades of understanding, I can arrange for many foreign students to come there.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Prabhakar -- Honolulu 31 May, 1975|Letter to Prabhakar -- Honolulu 31 May, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Immediately, what I want is in the Kuruksetra university a class should be opened for studying Krishna Consciousness and there are already about 50 books in English and Sanskrit, so if the university offers degree, B.A., M.A., and P.H.D. in different grades of understanding, I can arrange for many foreign students to come there. My first business is to spread Krishna Consciousness all over the world. Actually, this movement is not to be limited in India only—that is the mission Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. As desired by you, I can immediately take up the task of opening a center there and to open a varna-asrama college there affiliated by the university. In this college we shall train up pure brahmanas, (qualified brahmanas), Ksatriyas and Vaisyas.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBonMaharajaLosAngeles24July1975_2" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="425" link="Letter to Bon Maharaja -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1975" link_text="Letter to Bon Maharaja -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1975">
<div class="heading">Besides that I have got about a half a dozen students who are Ph.Ds in different subjects, but they are all expert in Caitanya philosophy.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bon Maharaja -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1975|Letter to Bon Maharaja -- Los Angeles 24 July, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding the library building, I am only interested in Caitanya philosophy. As it is stated in the Caitanya Caritamrta, "sri krsna caitanya daya karaha vicara/ vicara karile citte pabe camatkare." If you are indeed interested in logic and argument, kindly apply it to the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. If you do so, you will find it to be strikingly wonderful. (Cc. Ādi lila 8.15) But, in the library other books may be kept for comparative study by the scholars. I have no objection, but our main purpose will be to accelerate the grandeur of Caitanya philosophy. On this basis I have full cooperation. Besides that I have got about a half a dozen students who are Ph.Ds in different subjects, but they are all expert in Caitanya philosophy. If you so desire, their service can be utilized in this connection. If we fully cooperate on this Institution plan, I can attract students from all over the world such as America, Europe, Canada, Australia and the Middle East. In all these places we have got our centers and there are many students.</p>
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<div id="LettertoDrYGNaikToronto7August1975_3" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="453" link="Letter to Dr. Y. G. Naik -- Toronto 7 August, 1975" link_text="Letter to Dr. Y. G. Naik -- Toronto 7 August, 1975">
<div class="heading">I am enclosing a copy of one book, Scientific Basis of Krishna Consciousness, written by one of my Ph.D. students. You are also a scientist, and I hope you will enjoy it.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Dr. Y. G. Naik -- Toronto 7 August, 1975|Letter to Dr. Y. G. Naik -- Toronto 7 August, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">By Krishna's grace our books are being appreciated by universities, libraries, and respectable professors, and some are being used as textbooks in the universities. I am enclosing herewith a copy of our book catalog which contains some of the comments of the professors. I hope you will enjoy it. Also I am enclosing a copy of one book, Scientific Basis of Krishna Consciousness, written by one of my Ph.D. students. You are also a scientist, and I hope you will enjoy it.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSvarupaDamodaraVrindaban31August1975_4" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="486" link="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Vrindaban 31 August, 1975" link_text="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Vrindaban 31 August, 1975">
<div class="heading">In the meantime request all GBC's to send lists of all our disciples who have B.A., M.A. or Ph.D. degrees.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Vrindaban 31 August, 1975|Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Vrindaban 31 August, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your letter was pleasing to me. I am glad that you have keen interest in the Institute program. Be ready, as I am negotiating. As soon as it is complete, I shall send a telegram for you to come. In the meantime request all GBC's to send lists of all our disciples who have B.A., M.A. or Ph.D. degrees.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBalavantaVrindaban7September1975_5" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="513" link="Letter to Balavanta -- Vrindaban 7 September, 1975" link_text="Letter to Balavanta -- Vrindaban 7 September, 1975">
<div class="heading">I also accept as my initiated disciples the following and their spiritual names are: Dr. Richard Thompson, Ph.D.—Sadaputa das; Mike Dunn—Vedaguhya das; Chuck and Diana Sanders—Munjakesa das and Madamohini dasi; and Cindy Barber—Janmasunya dasi.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Balavanta -- Vrindaban 7 September, 1975|Letter to Balavanta -- Vrindaban 7 September, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Upon your recommendation I am accepting the following as twice-born initiated brahmanas and their sanctified threads and mantra sheets are enclosed: Ballabadra Bhattacarya das Brahmacari and Mahejya das Brahmacari. I also accept as my initiated disciples the following and their spiritual names are: Dr. Richard Thompson, Ph.D.—Sadaputa das; Mike Dunn—Vedaguhya das; Chuck and Diana Sanders—Munjakesa das and Madamohini dasi; and Cindy Barber—Janmasunya dasi. Please see that they are chanting 16 rounds without fail. You should hold a fire sacrifice and let the second initiates hear the mantra from my recorded tape through their right ear. I hope this meets you in good health.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSvarupaDamodaraBombay10January1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="28" link="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Bombay 10 January, 1976" link_text="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Bombay 10 January, 1976">
<div class="heading">These titles can correspond to entrance, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. So just consider how to organize this Institute.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Bombay 10 January, 1976|Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Bombay 10 January, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I have also suggested for the GBC's consideration, that we introduce a system of examinations for the devotees to take. Sometimes there is criticism that our men are not sufficiently learned, especially the brahmanas. Of course second initiation does not depend upon passing an examination. How one has moulded his life—chanting, attending arati, etc., these are essential. Still, brahmana means pandita. Therefore I am suggesting examinations. Bhakti-sastri—(for all brahmanas) based on Bhagavad-gita, Sri Isopanisad, Nectar of Devotion, Nectar of Instruction, and all the small paper backs. Bhakti-vaibhava—the above plus first six cantos of S.B. Bhaktivedanta—the above plus cantos 7-12 S.B. Bhakti-sarvabhauma—the above plus Caitanya-caritamrta.</p>
<p>These titles can correspond to entrance, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. So just consider how to organize this Institute. At Mayapur we shall finalize everything.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaMayapur14February1976_1" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="137" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Mayapur 14 February, 1976" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Mayapur 14 February, 1976">
<div class="heading">Yes, we require many Ph.D.'s for our Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Study.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Mayapur 14 February, 1976|Letter to Rupanuga -- Mayapur 14 February, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding Philadelphia's move, yes, that is all right. And yes, we require many Ph.D.'s for our Bhaktivedanta Institute for Higher Study.</p>
<p>The program in Amherst is nice, continue it and develop it more and more.</p>
<p>As far as New York is concerned, that is nice. Let Madhudvisa be in charge.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRobertMayapur8March1976_2" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="187" link="Letter to Robert -- Mayapur 8 March, 1976" link_text="Letter to Robert -- Mayapur 8 March, 1976">
<div class="heading">We can use this science to defeat them, just as I have many other disciples, such as Svarupa Damodara. He is Ph.D. in Chemistry and now he is using his scientific background to defeat their atheistic arguments.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Robert -- Mayapur 8 March, 1976|Letter to Robert -- Mayapur 8 March, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You mention that the scientists try "to simplify the problem at hand by neglecting any complex factors that may be present." What is that simplification? That there is no God. Their position is "sour grapes." They try by their speculation to understand things, and being unable they say there is no God. So we can use this science to defeat them, just as I have many other disciples, such as Svarupa Damodara. He is Ph.D. in Chemistry and now he is using his scientific background to defeat their atheistic arguments. There is a Bengali proverb: tor shil tor noda, tor bhangi dater goda. I take your mortar and pestle and I break your teeth. This means that we use the scientists own weapons and with them we defeat their atheistic philosophy.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSvarupaDamodaraAuckland27April1976_3" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="243" link="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976" link_text="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976">
<div class="heading">Now our Ph.D's must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976|Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now our Ph.D's must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. The pivot is the pole star, and the whole tree is rotating on this pivot. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSvarupaDamodaraAuckland27April1976_5" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="243" link="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976" link_text="Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976">
<div class="heading">So now you all Ph.D.'s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976|Letter to Svarupa Damodara -- Auckland 27 April, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So now you all Ph.D.'s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.</p>
<p>I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.'s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.</p>
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<div id="LettertoDamodaraPanditaNewYork17July1976_6" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="406" link="Letter to Damodara Pandita -- New York 17 July, 1976" link_text="Letter to Damodara Pandita -- New York 17 July, 1976">
<div class="heading">In the western countries many Ph.D.'s are out of employment because they did not get any service. We do not want to become great philosophers but rather to understand the philosophy in our own books.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Damodara Pandita -- New York 17 July, 1976|Letter to Damodara Pandita -- New York 17 July, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Concerning making a comparative study and critique of philosophy, unless one is very expert it is difficult for him. First of all, let people understand Krishna. We are doing that. Maybe one or two are interested in philosophy and for so few persons we can't spare so much valuable time. Better to induce everyone to chant Hare Krishna and take prasadam. That will be a mass benevolent activity. In the western countries many Ph.D.'s are out of employment because they did not get any service. We do not want to become great philosophers but rather to understand the philosophy in our own books. If we remain strong in our own literature, we can meet anyone else without any fear.</p>
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<div id="LettertoGirirajaBhaktivedantaManor24July1976_7" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="416" link="Letter to Giriraja -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 24 July, 1976" link_text="Letter to Giriraja -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 24 July, 1976">
<div class="heading">Regarding this research tax exemption, we have got so many Phd's also, and are starting the Bhaktivedanta Institute for making research work for the improvement of the economic condition of the world.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Giriraja -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 24 July, 1976|Letter to Giriraja -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 24 July, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding this research tax exemption, we have got so many Phd's also, and are starting the Bhaktivedanta Institute for making research work for the improvement of the economic condition of the world. We are introducing many farms and they are very successful. We want to introduce this in India also.</p>
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<div id="LettertoDrChatterjeeVrindaban27September1976_8" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="535" link="Letter to Dr. Chatterjee -- Vrindaban 27 September, 1976" link_text="Letter to Dr. Chatterjee -- Vrindaban 27 September, 1976">
<div class="heading">Some of my disciples who are Ph.D.'s in science, they are also attempting our institution in Boston U.S.A., but I'm still doubtful how far they'll be successful on account of scarcity of students.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Dr. Chatterjee -- Vrindaban 27 September, 1976|Letter to Dr. Chatterjee -- Vrindaban 27 September, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">have no objection to your proposal and I can finance this proposal also. But I am afraid there will be hardly any students—that is the difficulty. I have seen in foreign countries that practically no students join high philosophical and scientific classes. People nowadays are only interested in money-earning philosophy. Nobody goes to the philosophical classes in universities. A similar institute was imagined by my Godbrother Bon Maharaja in Vrindaban, but it has not become very successful. There are many difficulties in the line, but I like the idea; therefore if some practical solution can be made we can discuss personally, but I appreciate your idea. The only difficulty I'm feeling is whether we can get sufficient students. Some of my disciples who are Ph.D.'s in science, they are also attempting our institution in Boston U.S.A., but I'm still doubtful how far they'll be successful on account of scarcity of students. It is said in the Kali-yuga everyman is on the standard of sudra, and the curriculum suggested by you is meant for the brahmana—that is the difficulty.</p>
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<div id="1977_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="12" parent="Correspondence" text="1977 Correspondence"><h3>1977 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoJagadisaBombay6April1977_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Correspondence" book="Let" index="85" link="Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 6 April, 1977" link_text="Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 6 April, 1977">
<div class="heading">Our students should be taught English and Sanskrit so in the future they can read our books. That will make them MA, PHD.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 6 April, 1977|Letter to Jagadisa -- Bombay 6 April, 1977]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Our students should be taught English and Sanskrit so in the future they can read our books. That will make them MA, PHD. That much I want. Other things are external. And their behavior and character must also be most upstanding. Now you are all senior intelligent men so yourself, Yasodanandana Maharaja and Aksayananda Maharaja cooperatively do everything.</p>
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<div id="LettertoNalinikantaBombay18April1977_1" class="quote" parent="1977_Correspondence" book="Let" index="93" link="Letter to Nalinikanta -- Bombay 18 April, 1977" link_text="Letter to Nalinikanta -- Bombay 18 April, 1977">
<div class="heading">Unless the books are written by a PhD we do not want it. We are not going to be able to print the books you have suggested.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Nalinikanta -- Bombay 18 April, 1977|Letter to Nalinikanta -- Bombay 18 April, 1977]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Unless the books are written by a PhD we do not want it. We are not going to be able to print the books you have suggested. There is no need for such books. Instead of writing simply read my books. That will be better for you. Whatever free time you have engage in reading my books. Otherwise, an idle mind is a devil's workshop.</p>
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Mahat-tattva (SB, Cantos 1-2)

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Madhavi:

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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" class="section" sec_index="1" parent="compilation" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2>
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<div id="SB_Canto_1" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 1"><h3>SB Canto 1</h3>
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<div id="SB131_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="57" link="SB 1.3.1" link_text="SB 1.3.1">
<div class="heading">Those who cannot catch the constitutional truth are again merged into the mahat-tattva at the time of the annihilation of the material creation. When the creation is again set up, this mahat-tattva is again let loose.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.3.1|SB 1.3.1, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The living beings are predominated enjoyers. But the eternally conditioned souls, forgetful of this constitutional position, have strong aspirations to enjoy. The chance to enjoy matter is given to the conditioned souls in the material world, and side by side they are given the chance to understand their real constitutional position. Those fortunate living entities who catch the truth and surrender unto the lotus feet of Vāsudeva after many, many births in the material world join the eternally liberated souls and thus are allowed to enter into the kingdom of Godhead. After this, such fortunate living entities need not come again within the occasional material creation. But those who cannot catch the constitutional truth are again merged into the mahat-tattva at the time of the annihilation of the material creation. When the creation is again set up, this mahat-tattva is again let loose.</p>
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<div id="SB131_1" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="57" link="SB 1.3.1" link_text="SB 1.3.1">
<div class="heading">This mahat-tattva contains all the ingredients of the material manifestations, including the conditioned souls.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.3.1|SB 1.3.1, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">This mahat-tattva contains all the ingredients of the material manifestations, including the conditioned souls. Primarily this mahat-tattva is divided into sixteen parts, namely the five gross material elements and the eleven working instruments or senses. It is like the cloud in the clear sky. In the spiritual sky, the effulgence of Brahman is spread all around, and the whole system is dazzling in spiritual light. The mahat-tattva is assembled in some corner of the vast, unlimited spiritual sky, and the part which is thus covered by the mahat-tattva is called the material sky. This part of the spiritual sky, called the mahat-tattva, is only an insignificant portion of the whole spiritual sky, and within this mahat-tattva there are innumerable universes. All these universes are collectively produced by the Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, called also the Mahā-Viṣṇu, who simply throws His glance to impregnate the material sky.</p>
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<div id="SB132_2" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="58" link="SB 1.3.2" link_text="SB 1.3.2">
<div class="heading">The puruṣa-avatāra is manifested in three features—first the Kāraṇodakaśāyī who creates aggregate material ingredients in the mahat-tattva, second the Garbhodakaśāyī who enters in each and every universe, and third the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu who is the Paramātmā of every material object, organic or inorganic.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.3.2|SB 1.3.2, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">From Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu there is expansion of the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, who is the collective Paramātmā of all living beings. He is called Hari, and from Him all incarnations within the universe are expanded.</p>
<p>Therefore, the conclusion is that the puruṣa-avatāra is manifested in three features—first the Kāraṇodakaśāyī who creates aggregate material ingredients in the mahat-tattva, second the Garbhodakaśāyī who enters in each and every universe, and third the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu who is the Paramātmā of every material object, organic or inorganic. One who knows these plenary features of the Personality of Godhead knows Godhead properly, and thus the knower becomes freed from the material conditions of birth, death, old age and disease, as it is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā, In this śloka the subject matter of Mahā-Viṣṇu is summarized. The Mahā-Viṣṇu lies down in some part of the spiritual sky by His own free will. Thus He lies on the ocean of kāraṇa, from where He glances over His material nature, and the mahat-tattva is at once created. Thus electrified by the power of the Lord, the material nature at once creates innumerable universes, just as in due course a tree decorates itself with innumerable grown fruits.</p>
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<div id="SB133_3" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="59" link="SB 1.3.3" link_text="SB 1.3.3">
<div class="heading">The Lord extends His potency in the form of the mahat-tattva, which includes all material ingredients. The extension of power by the Lord and the Lord Himself personally are one in one sense, but at the same time the mahat-tattva is different from the Lord.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.3.3|SB 1.3.3, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">As stated above, the Lord extends His potency in the form of the mahat-tattva, which includes all material ingredients. The extension of power by the Lord and the Lord Himself personally are one in one sense, but at the same time the mahat-tattva is different from the Lord. Therefore the potency of the Lord and the Lord are simultaneously different and nondifferent. The conception of the virāṭ-rūpa, especially for the impersonalist, is thus nondifferent from the eternal form of the Lord. This eternal form of the Lord exists prior to the creation of the mahat-tattva, and it is stressed here that the eternal form of the Lord is par excellence spiritual or transcendental to the modes of material nature. The very same transcendental form of the Lord is manifested by His internal potency, and the formation of His multifarious manifestations of incarnations is always of the same transcendental quality, without any touch of the mahat-tattva.</p>
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<div id="SB135_4" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="61" link="SB 1.3.5" link_text="SB 1.3.5">
<div class="heading">The puruṣa, after creating innumerable universes in the mahat-tattva, entered in each of them as the second puruṣa, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.3.5|SB 1.3.5, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">This form (the second manifestation of the puruṣa) is the source and indestructible seed of multifarious incarnations within the universe. From the particles and portions of this form, different living entities, like demigods, men and others, are created.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The puruṣa, after creating innumerable universes in the mahat-tattva, entered in each of them as the second puruṣa, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. When He saw that within the universe there was only darkness and space, without a resting place, He filled half of the universe with water from His own perspiration and laid Himself down on the same water. This water is called Garbhodaka.</p>
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<div id="SB11021_5" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="384" link="SB 1.10.21" link_text="SB 1.10.21">
<div class="heading">And at the end of Lord Brahmā's life, there is complete annihilation of the entire universe, and in both the periods both the material energy called the mahat-tattva and the marginal energy called jīva-tattva merge in the person of the Supreme Lord.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.10.21|SB 1.10.21, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">They said: Here He is, the original Personality of Godhead as we definitely remember Him. He alone existed before the manifested creation of the modes of nature, and in Him only, because He is the Supreme Lord, all living beings merge, as if sleeping at night, their energy suspended.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>There are two types of dissolution of the manifested cosmos. At the end of every 4,320,000,000 solar years, when Brahmā, the lord of one particular universe, goes to sleep, there is one annihilation. And at the end of Lord Brahmā's life, which takes place at the end of Brahmā's one hundred years of age, in our calculation at the end of 8,640,000,000 x 30 x 12 x 100 solar years, there is complete annihilation of the entire universe, and in both the periods both the material energy called the mahat-tattva and the marginal energy called jīva-tattva merge in the person of the Supreme Lord. The living beings remain asleep within the body of the Lord until there is another creation of the material world, and that is the way of the creation, maintenance and annihilation of the material manifestation.</p>
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<div id="SB11355_6" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="525" link="SB 1.13.55" link_text="SB 1.13.55">
<div class="heading">By the yogic process, when the living being's pure identity is realized in self-realization, one has to revert to the original position by amalgamating the five gross elements and the subtle elements, mind and intelligence, into the mahat-tattva again.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.13.55|SB 1.13.55, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The living being, by his desiring to lord it over the material world and declining to cooperate with the Supreme Lord, contacts the sum total of the material world, namely the mahat-tattva, and from the mahat-tattva his false identity with the material world, intelligence, mind and senses is developed. This covers his pure spiritual identity. By the yogic process, when his pure identity is realized in self-realization, one has to revert to the original position by amalgamating the five gross elements and the subtle elements, mind and intelligence, into the mahat-tattva again. Thus getting freed from the clutches of the mahat-tattva, he has to merge in the existence of the Supersoul. In other words, he has to realize that qualitatively he is nondifferent from the Supersoul, and thus he transcends the material sky by his pure identical intelligence and thus becomes engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. This is the highest perfectional development of spiritual identity, which was attained by Dhṛtarāṣṭra by the grace of Vidura and the Lord. The Lord's mercy was bestowed upon him by his personal contact with Vidura, and when he was actually practicing the instructions of Vidura, the Lord helped him to attain the highest perfectional stage.</p>
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<div id="SB11355_7" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="525" link="SB 1.13.55" link_text="SB 1.13.55">
<div class="heading">The so-called material body of the pure devotee does not exist, being surcharged with the spiritual current of the Lord's identical interest, and thus he is permanently freed from all contaminations of the sum total of the mahat-tattva.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.13.55|SB 1.13.55, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">A pure devotee of the Lord does not live on any planet of the material sky, nor does he feel any contact with material elements. His so-called material body does not exist, being surcharged with the spiritual current of the Lord's identical interest, and thus he is permanently freed from all contaminations of the sum total of the mahat-tattva. He is always in the spiritual sky, which he attains by being transcendental to the sevenfold material covering by the effect of his devotional service. The conditioned souls are within the coverings, whereas the liberated soul is far beyond the cover.</p>
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<div id="SB11527_8" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="596" link="SB 1.15.27" link_text="SB 1.15.27">
<div class="heading">The living being under the condition of material nature, called mahat-tattva, misidentifies himself as being different from the Lord.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.15.27|SB 1.15.27, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">Out of the five subjects, the Supreme Lord, the living entity, nature, and time and space are eternal, but the living entity, nature and time are under the direction of the Supreme Lord, who is absolute and completely independent of any other control. The Supreme Lord is the supreme controller. The material activity of the living being is beginningless, but it can be rectified by transferral into the spiritual quality. Thus it can cease its material qualitative reactions. Both the Lord and the living entity are cognizant, and both have the sense of identification, of being conscious as a living force. But the living being under the condition of material nature, called mahat-tattva, misidentifies himself as being different from the Lord. The whole scheme of Vedic wisdom is targeted to the aim of eradicating such a misconception and thus liberating the living being from the illusion of material identification.</p>
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<div id="SB11542_9" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="611" link="SB 1.15.42" link_text="SB 1.15.42">
<div class="heading">All that is manifested in the material world is the product of the mahat-tattva-avyakta, and things that are visible in our material vision are nothing but combinations and permutations of such variegated material products.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.15.42|SB 1.15.42, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Thus annihilating the gross body of five elements into the three qualitative modes of material nature, he merged them in one nescience and then absorbed that nescience in the self, Brahman, which is inexhaustible in all circumstances.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>All that is manifested in the material world is the product of the mahat-tattva-avyakta, and things that are visible in our material vision are nothing but combinations and permutations of such variegated material products. But the living entity is different from such material products. It is due to the living entity's forgetfulness of his eternal nature as eternal servitor of the Lord, and his false conception of being a so-called lord of the material nature, that he is obliged to enter into the existence of false sense enjoyment. Thus a concomitant generation of material energies is the principal cause of the mind's being materially affected. Thus the gross body of five elements is produced. Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira reversed the action and merged the five elements of the body in the three modes of material nature.</p>
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<div id="SB1162630_10" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="643" link="SB 1.16.26-30" link_text="SB 1.16.26-30">
<div class="heading">This material world is a product of the mahat-tattva, which is a state of the Lord's dreaming condition in His yoga-nidrā mystic slumber in the Causal Ocean, and yet the whole creation appears to be a factual presentation of His creation.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.16.26-30|SB 1.16.26-30, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">This material world is a product of the mahat-tattva, which is a state of the Lord's dreaming condition in His yoga-nidrā mystic slumber in the Causal Ocean, and yet the whole creation appears to be a factual presentation of His creation. This means that the Lord's dreaming conditions are also factual manifestations. He can therefore bring everything under His transcendental control, and thus whenever and wherever He does appear, He does so in His fullness.</p>
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<div id="SB1162630_11" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="643" link="SB 1.16.26-30" link_text="SB 1.16.26-30">
<div class="heading">In the spiritual world, beyond the mahat-tattva, there is no question of incarnations, but there are plenary expansions of the Lord in different Vaikuṇṭhas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.16.26-30|SB 1.16.26-30, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">There are more than five hundred thousand incarnations of Manu in only one universe, besides other incarnations in different universes. In the spiritual world, however, beyond the mahat-tattva, there is no question of incarnations, but there are plenary expansions of the Lord in different Vaikuṇṭhas. The planets in the spiritual sky are at least three times the number of those within the innumerable universes in the mahat-tattva. And all the Nārāyaṇa forms of the Lord are but expansions of His Vāsudeva feature, and thus He is Vāsudeva, Nārāyaṇa and Kṛṣṇa simultaneously. He is śrī-kṛṣṇa govinda hare murāre, he nātha nārāyaṇa vāsudeva, all in one. His qualities, therefore, cannot be counted by anyone, however great one may be.</p>
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<div id="SB1195_12" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_1" book="SB" index="745" link="SB 1.19.5" link_text="SB 1.19.5">
<div class="heading">This earth is one of the innumerable material planets within the universe, and there are innumerable universes also within the compass of the mahat-tattva.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 1.19.5|SB 1.19.5, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">This earth is one of the innumerable material planets within the universe, and there are innumerable universes also within the compass of the mahat-tattva. The devotees are told by the Lord and His representatives, the spiritual masters or ācāryas, that not one of the planets within all the innumerable universes is suitable for the residential purposes of a devotee. The devotee always desires to go back home, back to Godhead, just to become one of the associates of the Lord in the capacity of servitor, friend, parent or conjugal lover of the Lord, either in one of the innumerable Vaikuṇṭha planets or in Goloka Vṛndāvana, the planet of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. All these planets are eternally situated in the spiritual sky, the paravyoma, which is on the other side of the Causal Ocean within the mahat-tattva.</p>
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<div id="SB_Canto_2" class="sub_section" sec_index="2" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 2"><h3>SB Canto 2</h3>
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<div id="SB216_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="7" link="SB 2.1.6" link_text="SB 2.1.6">
<div class="heading">The existence of Nārāyaṇa, or the Personality of Godhead, is not within the jurisdiction of this mahat-tattva, and as such, the name, form, attributes, etc. of Nārāyaṇa are beyond the jurisdiction of the material world.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.1.6|SB 2.1.6, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">Nārāyaṇa is the transcendental Personality of Godhead beyond the material creation. Everything that is created, sustained, and at the end annihilated is within the compass of the mahat-tattva (material principle) and is known as the material world. The existence of Nārāyaṇa, or the Personality of Godhead, is not within the jurisdiction of this mahat-tattva, and as such, the name, form, attributes, etc. of Nārāyaṇa are beyond the jurisdiction of the material world.</p>
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<div id="SB2135_1" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="36" link="SB 2.1.35" link_text="SB 2.1.35">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.1.35|SB 2.1.35, Translation]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">The principle of matter (mahat-tattva) is the consciousness of the omnipresent Lord, as asserted by the experts, and Rudradeva is His ego. The horse, mule, camel and elephant are His nails, and wild animals and all quadrupeds are situated in the belt zone of the Lord.</p>
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<div id="SB2228_2" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="68" link="SB 2.2.28" link_text="SB 2.2.28">
<div class="heading">Śrīla Śrīdhara Svāmī confirms that a part of the material nature, after being initiated by the Lord, is known as the mahat-tattva. A fractional portion of the mahat-tattva is called the false ego.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.2.28|SB 2.2.28, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">Śrīla Śrīdhara Svāmī confirms that a part of the material nature, after being initiated by the Lord, is known as the mahat-tattva. A fractional portion of the mahat-tattva is called the false ego. A portion of the ego is the vibration of sound, and a portion of sound is atmospheric air. A portion of the airy atmosphere is turned into forms, and the forms constitute the power of electricity or heat. Heat produces the smell of the aroma of the earth, and the gross earth is produced by such aroma. And all these combined together constitute the cosmic phenomenon.</p>
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<div id="SB2230_3" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="70" link="SB 2.2.30" link_text="SB 2.2.30">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.2.30|SB 2.2.30, Translation]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">The devotee, thus surpassing the gross and the subtle forms of coverings, enters the plane of egoism. And in that status he merges the material modes of nature (ignorance and passion) in this point of neutralization and thus reaches egoism in goodness. After this, all egoism is merged in the mahat-tattva, and he comes to the point of pure self-realization.</p>
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<div id="SB2414_4" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="110" link="SB 2.4.14" link_text="SB 2.4.14">
<div class="heading">Part of this all-pervasive brahmajyoti, which is compared to the sun rays, is covered by the darkness of the mahat-tattva, and this insignificant part is known as the material world.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.4.14|SB 2.4.14, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">There are two sides of the transcendental manifestations of the Supreme Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa. For the pure devotees He is the constant companion, as in the case of His becoming one of the family members of the Yadu dynasty, or His becoming the friend of Arjuna, or His becoming the associate neighbor of the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, as the son of Nanda-Yaśodā, the friend of Sudāmā, Śrīdāmā and Madhumaṅgala, or the lover of the damsels of Vrajabhūmi, etc. That is part of His personal features. And by His impersonal feature He expands the rays of the brahmajyoti, which is limitless and all-pervasive. Part of this all-pervasive brahmajyoti, which is compared to the sun rays, is covered by the darkness of the mahat-tattva, and this insignificant part is known as the material world.</p>
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<div id="SB2521_5" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="142" link="SB 2.5.21" link_text="SB 2.5.21">
<div class="heading">The real sky is the spiritual sky, eternally filled with the rays of the brahmajyoti, and a portion of this unlimited sky is covered by the mahat-tattva cloud of the material creation, in which the conditioned souls, who want to lord it against the will of the Lord, are put into play as they desire under the control of the Lord by the agency of His external energy.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.21|SB 2.5.21, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">The Lord, who is the controller of all energies, thus creates, by His own potency, eternal time, the fate of all living entities, and their particular nature, for which they were created, and He again merges them independently.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The creation of the material world, wherein the conditioned souls are allowed to act subordinately by the Supreme Lord, takes place again and again after being repeatedly annihilated. The material creation is something like a cloud in the unlimited sky. The real sky is the spiritual sky, eternally filled with the rays of the brahmajyoti, and a portion of this unlimited sky is covered by the mahat-tattva cloud of the material creation, in which the conditioned souls, who want to lord it against the will of the Lord, are put into play as they desire under the control of the Lord by the agency of His external energy. As the rainy season appears and disappears regularly, the creation takes place and is again annihilated under the control of the Lord, as confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā (8.19).</p>
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<div id="SB2522_6" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="143" link="SB 2.5.22" link_text="SB 2.5.22">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.22|SB 2.5.22, Translation]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">After the incarnation of the first puruṣa (Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu), the mahat-tattva, or the principles of material creation, take place, and then time is manifested, and in course of time the three qualities appear. Nature means the three qualitative appearances. They transform into activities.</p>
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<div id="SB2523_7" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="144" link="SB 2.5.23" link_text="SB 2.5.23">
<div class="heading">The mahat-tattva is the principle of material creation, and when it is agitated by the will of the Supreme at first the modes of passion and goodness are prominent, and afterwards the mode of passion, being generated in due course by material activities of different varieties, becomes prominent, and the living entities are thus involved more and more in ignorance.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.23|SB 2.5.23, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Material activities are caused by the mahat—tattva's being agitated. At first there is transformation of the modes of goodness and passion, and later—due to the mode of ignorance-matter, its knowledge, and different activities of material knowledge come into play.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>Material creations of every description are more or less due to the development of the mode of passion (rajas). The mahat-tattva is the principle of material creation, and when it is agitated by the will of the Supreme at first the modes of passion and goodness are prominent, and afterwards the mode of passion, being generated in due course by material activities of different varieties, becomes prominent, and the living entities are thus involved more and more in ignorance.</p>
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<div id="SB2525_8" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="146" link="SB 2.5.25" link_text="SB 2.5.25">
<div class="heading">The false ego in the sum total form of mahat-tattva is generated from the marginal potency of the Lord, and due to this false ego of lording it over the material creation, ingredients are generated for the false enjoyment of the living being.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.25|SB 2.5.25, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">From the darkness of false ego, the first of the five elements, namely the sky, is generated. Its subtle form is the quality of sound, exactly as the seer is in relationship with the seen.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The five elements, namely sky, air, fire, water and earth, are all but different qualities of the darkness of false ego. This means that the false ego in the sum total form of mahat-tattva is generated from the marginal potency of the Lord, and due to this false ego of lording it over the material creation, ingredients are generated for the false enjoyment of the living being. The living being is practically the dominating factor over the material elements as the enjoyer, though the background is the Supreme Lord. Factually, save and except the Lord, no one can be called the enjoyer, but the living entity falsely desires to become the enjoyer. This is the origin of false ego. When the bewildered living being desires this, the shadow elements are generated by the will of the Lord, and the living entities are allowed to run after them as after a phantasmagoria.</p>
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<div id="SB252629_9" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="147" link="SB 2.5.26-29" link_text="SB 2.5.26-29">
<div class="heading">The original cause is the Lord Himself in plenary portion, as Mahā-Viṣṇu lying in the causal water of the mahat-tattva.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.26-29|SB 2.5.26-29, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Because the sky is transformed, the air is generated with the quality of touch, and by previous succession the air is also full of sound and the basic principles of duration of life: sense perception, mental power and bodily strength. When the air is transformed in course of time and nature's course, fire is generated, taking shape with the sense of touch and sound. Since fire is also transformed, there is a manifestation of water, full of juice and taste. As previously, it also has form and touch and is also full of sound. And water, being transformed from all variegatedness on earth, appears odorous and, as previously, becomes qualitatively full of juice, touch, sound and form respectively.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The whole process of creation is an act of gradual evolution and development from one element to another, reaching up to the variegatedness of the earth as so many trees, plants, mountains, rivers, reptiles, birds, animals and varieties of human beings. The quality of sense perception is also evolutionary, namely generated from sound, then touch, and from touch to form. Taste and odor are also generated along with the gradual development of sky, air, fire, water and earth. They are all mutually the cause and effect of one another, but the original cause is the Lord Himself in plenary portion, as Mahā-Viṣṇu lying in the causal water of the mahat-tattva.</p>
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<div id="SB2532_10" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="150" link="SB 2.5.32" link_text="SB 2.5.32">
<div class="heading">The parts of the body, such as the senses, are the creation of the mahat-tattva, and when they are assembled by the will of the Lord, the material body comes into existence, and the living entity is allowed to use it for further activities.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.32|SB 2.5.32, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The parts of the body, such as the senses, are the creation of the mahat-tattva, and when they are assembled by the will of the Lord, the material body comes into existence, and the living entity is allowed to use it for further activities.</p>
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<div id="SB2533_11" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="151" link="SB 2.5.33" link_text="SB 2.5.33">
<div class="heading">In a corner of the spiritual sky of brahmajyoti a spiritual cloud sometimes appears, and the covered portion is called the mahat-tattva. The Lord then, by His plenary portion as Mahā-Viṣṇu, lies down within the water of the mahat-tattva, and the water is called the Causal Ocean (Kāraṇa-jala).
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.5.33|SB 2.5.33, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Thus when all these became assembled by force of the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this universe certainly came into being by accepting both the primary and secondary causes of creation.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>In this verse it is clearly mentioned that the Supreme Personality of Godhead exerts His different energies in the creation; it is not that He Himself is transformed into material creations. He expands Himself by His different energies, as well as by His plenary portions. In a corner of the spiritual sky of brahmajyoti a spiritual cloud sometimes appears, and the covered portion is called the mahat-tattva. The Lord then, by His plenary portion as Mahā-Viṣṇu, lies down within the water of the mahat-tattva, and the water is called the Causal Ocean (Kāraṇa-jala). While Mahā-Viṣṇu sleeps within the Causal Ocean, innumerable universes are generated along with His breathing. These universes are floating, and they are scattered all over the Causal Ocean. They stay only during the breathing period of Mahā-Viṣṇu. In each and every universal globe, the same Mahā-Viṣṇu enters again as Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu and lies there on the serpentlike Śeṣa incarnation. From His navel sprouts a lotus stem, and on the lotus, Brahmā, the lord of the universe, is born. Brahmā creates all forms of living beings of different shapes in terms of different desires within the universe. He also creates the sun, moon and other demigods.</p>
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<div id="SB2639_12" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="195" link="SB 2.6.39" link_text="SB 2.6.39">
<div class="heading">The Causal Ocean is created by the Lord as the mahat-tattva, as a cloud in the spiritual sky, and is only a part of His different manifestations. The spiritual sky is an expansion of His personal rays, and He is the mahat-tattva cloud also.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.6.39|SB 2.6.39, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The original Personality of Godhead (ādyaḥ), Govinda, expands Himself as the Mahā-Viṣṇu incarnation and rests in the Causal Ocean, which He Himself creates. The Brahma-saṁhitā (5.47) confirms this as follows:</p>
:yaḥ kāraṇārṇava-jale bhajati sma yoga-
:nidrām ananta-jagad-aṇḍa-saroma-kūpaḥ
:ādhāra-śaktim avalambya parāṁ sva-mūrtiṁ
:govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
<p>Lord Brahmājī says in his Brahma-saṁhitā, "I worship the primeval Lord Govinda, who lies down in the Causal Ocean in His plenary portion as Mahā-Viṣṇu, with all the universes generating from the pores of hair on His transcendental body, and who accepts the mystic slumber of eternity."</p>
<p>So this Mahā-Viṣṇu is the first incarnation in the creation, and from Him all the universes are generated and all material manifestations are produced, one after another. The Causal Ocean is created by the Lord as the mahat-tattva, as a cloud in the spiritual sky, and is only a part of His different manifestations. The spiritual sky is an expansion of His personal rays, and He is the mahat-tattva cloud also. He lies down and generates the universes by His breathing, and again, by entering into each universe as Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, He creates Brahmā, Śiva and many other demigods for maintenance of the universe and again absorbs the whole thing into His person as confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā (9.7):</p>
:sarva-bhūtāni kaunteya
:prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikām
:kalpa-kṣaye punas tāni
:kalpādau visṛjāmy aham
<p>"O son of Kuntī, when the kalpa, or the duration of the life of Brahmā, is ended, then all the created manifestations enter into My prakṛti, or energy, and again, when I desire, the same creation takes place by My personal energy."</p>
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<div id="SB2910_13" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="288" link="SB 2.9.10" link_text="SB 2.9.10">
<div class="heading">This universe, containing billions of stars and planets, is one of the billions of such universes clustered together within the compass of the mahat-tattva.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.9.10|SB 2.9.10, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">The kingdom of God, or the atmosphere of the Vaikuṇṭha nature, which is called the tripād-vibhūti, is three times bigger than the material universes and is described here, as also in the Bhagavad-gītā, in a nutshell. This universe, containing billions of stars and planets, is one of the billions of such universes clustered together within the compass of the mahat-tattva. And all these millions and billions of universes combined together constitute only one fourth of the magnitude of the whole creation of the Lord. There is the spiritual sky also; beyond this sky are the spiritual planets under the names of Vaikuṇṭha, and all of them constitute three fourths of the entire creation of the Lord.</p>
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<div id="SB2917_14" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="295" link="SB 2.9.17" link_text="SB 2.9.17">
<div class="heading">For His material creative energies, the Lord is served by four, namely the principles of prakṛti, puruṣa, mahat-tattva and ego.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.9.17|SB 2.9.17, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">The Lord was seated on His throne and was surrounded by different energies like the four, the sixteen, the five, and the six natural opulences, along with other insignificant energies of the temporary character. But He was the factual Supreme Lord, enjoying His own abode.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The Lord is naturally endowed with His six opulences. Specifically, He is the richest, He is the most powerful, He is the most famous, He is the most beautiful, He is the greatest in knowledge, and He is the greatest renouncer as well. And for His material creative energies, He is served by four, namely the principles of prakṛti, puruṣa, mahat-tattva and ego. He is also served by the sixteen, namely the five elements (earth, water, air, fire and sky), the five perceptive sense organs (the eye, ear, nose, tongue and skin), and the five working sense organs (the hand, the leg, the stomach, the evacuation outlet and the genitals), and the mind. The five includes the sense objects, namely form, taste, smell, sound and touch. All these twenty-five items serve the Lord in the material creation, and all of them are personally present to serve the Lord. The insignificant opulences numbering eight (the aṣṭa-siddhis, attained by yogīs for temporary overlordship) are also under His control, but He is naturally full with all such powers without any effort, and therefore He is the Supreme Lord.</p>
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<div id="SB21046_15" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_2" book="SB" index="367" link="SB 2.10.46" link_text="SB 2.10.46">
<div class="heading">In the mahā-kalpa the Lord assumes the first puruṣa incarnation as Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu with all the potencies of the mahat-tattva and the sixteen principles of creative matter and instruments.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 2.10.46|SB 2.10.46, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">This process of creation and annihilation described in summary herein is the regulative principle during the duration of Brahmā's one day. It is also the regulative principle in the creation of mahat, in which the material nature is dispersed.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>There are three different types of creation, called mahā-kalpa, vikalpa and kalpa. In the mahā-kalpa the Lord assumes the first puruṣa incarnation as Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu with all the potencies of the mahat-tattva and the sixteen principles of creative matter and instruments. The creative instruments are eleven, the ingredients are five, and all of them are products of mahat, or materialistic ego. These creations by the Lord in His feature of Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu are called mahā-kalpa. The creation of Brahmā and dispersion of the material ingredients are called vikalpa, and the creation by Brahmā in each day of his life is called kalpa. Therefore each day of Brahmā is called a kalpa, and there are thirty kalpas in terms of Brahmā's days.</p>
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Need of Money (Letters)

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Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSubalaMontreal12June1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="194" link="Letter to Subala -- Montreal 12 June, 1968" link_text="Letter to Subala -- Montreal 12 June, 1968">
<div class="heading">When we are in need of money to carry on Krishna's work, then we can resort to whatever means there is available.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Subala -- Montreal 12 June, 1968|Letter to Subala -- Montreal 12 June, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yes, you can have the band play there in the temple as you are in great need of money to carry on there. When we are in need of money to carry on Krishna's work, then we can resort to whatever means there is available. So long it is always for Krishna and never for personal sense gratification. So you can try to get some money in that way.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBalimardanaSudamaTittenhurst3October1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="598" link="Letter to Bali-mardana, Sudama -- Tittenhurst 3 October, 1969" link_text="Letter to Bali-mardana, Sudama -- Tittenhurst 3 October, 1969">
<div class="heading">As you know from Bhagavad-gita, four types of men; namely the distressed, the man in need of money, the philosopher and the inquisitive, they take to Krishna Consciousness, and such persons are described as very pious.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bali-mardana, Sudama -- Tittenhurst 3 October, 1969|Letter to Bali-mardana, Sudama -- Tittenhurst 3 October, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Krishna has given you immediately one Japanese boy to assist, Sriman Co-Co, and it is understood that he is inquisitive to learn more about Krishna. As you know from Bhagavad-gita, four types of men; namely the distressed, the man in need of money, the philosopher and the inquisitive, they take to Krishna Consciousness, and such persons are described as very pious. They are not ordinary persons. From this formula, Sriman Co-Co appears to be a pious boy, so try to convince him about our philosophy.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSatsvarupaAllahabad11January1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="18" link="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Allahabad 11 January, 1971" link_text="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Allahabad 11 January, 1971">
<div class="heading">I have just received a letter from Karandhara that the needed money is already arranged and the printing should begin soon. I am very anxious to see that ISKCON Press is operating effectively.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Satsvarupa -- Allahabad 11 January, 1971|Letter to Satsvarupa -- Allahabad 11 January, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am hoping that the Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Nectar of Devotion shall be printed soon. If you require the funds for NOD and TLC, I shall send it conveniently. But I have just received a letter from Karandhara that the needed money is already arranged and the printing should begin soon. I am very anxious to see that ISKCON Press is operating effectively. Regarding the Preface to Bhagavad-gita, I shall send that as soon as I have got some time to write one. In the meantime you can go ahead with the remainder of layout work.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaDelhi8December1971_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="562" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Delhi 8 December, 1971" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Delhi 8 December, 1971">
<div class="heading">Our big activity is to distribute books and KC Movement in general. But if there is need for money and you can run this business without interfering in our routine work, then I have no objection.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Delhi 8 December, 1971|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Delhi 8 December, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad that your financial problems are being relieved by Krishna. Krishna's Nature is like that, free from all anxieties, so as we become more and more Krishna Conscious we share that sublime Nature and become relieved. So this is a good sign that you are advancing nicely in pleasing Krishna as He is giving you more and more relief from material problems. Now if you like you may begin incense oil business, I have no objection. But it must be operated very nicely, and not that it should become our big activity. Our big activity is to distribute books and KC Movement in general. But if there is need for money and you can run this business without interfering in our routine work, then I have no objection. You may get good advice from Karandhara and others who have become expert in incense business.</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoTamalaKrsnaNewDelhi7November1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="371" link="Letter to Tamala Krsna -- New Delhi 7 November, 1973" link_text="Letter to Tamala Krsna -- New Delhi 7 November, 1973">
<div class="heading">At least Mr. Birla must give whatever he has promised for Vrindaban. Vrindaban needs money, but we can't press him for Bombay. If he likes, he will give, but he is such a rich man he can pay for both.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Tamala Krsna -- New Delhi 7 November, 1973|Letter to Tamala Krsna -- New Delhi 7 November, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yes, we want to begin the temple construction immediately, so let them approve the plans. In the meantime finish the fencing, cleansing, and painting the residential quarters. If possible make the privy a little usable. It is not a practical idea of Mr. Birla to first collect half the money and then construct. People will pay as the construction goes on. If they are doubtful, then they can form a temple construction committee. and see that every pie is used for temple construction. At least Mr. Birla must give whatever he has promised for Vrindaban. Vrindaban needs money, but we can't press him for Bombay. If he likes, he will give, but he is such a rich man he can pay for both.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMahamsaVrndavana21September1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="559" link="Letter to Mahamsa -- Vrndavana 21 September, 1975" link_text="Letter to Mahamsa -- Vrndavana 21 September, 1975">
<div class="heading">Regarding the need for money there, if it is a case of emergency, then more money can be lent to you. If you want immediately money, then I am prepared to lend to you at 10% interest.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mahamsa -- Vrndavana 21 September, 1975|Letter to Mahamsa -- Vrndavana 21 September, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">My dear Mahamsa Swami,</p>
<p>Please accept my blessings. I thank you very much for the affidavit which you have sent. It should be followed by all other centers. It is very good that people are already coming to see the temple. That means that there is great interest. Regarding the need for money there, if it is a case of emergency, then more money can be lent to you. You have already borrowed Rs. 60,000/-. If you want immediately money, then I am prepared to lend to you at 10% interest. So if there is emergency, you can send account number of your bank and we shall do the needful.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHarikesaVrindaban4October1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="551" link="Letter to Harikesa -- Vrindaban 4 October, 1976" link_text="Letter to Harikesa -- Vrindaban 4 October, 1976">
<div class="heading">I sent you especially for preaching in that quarter therefore I gave you money, otherwise in U.S.A. what is need of money.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Harikesa -- Vrindaban 4 October, 1976|Letter to Harikesa -- Vrindaban 4 October, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I sent you especially for preaching in that quarter therefore I gave you money, otherwise in U.S.A. what is need of money. You have experience in that area, therefore I gave money. So I request you not to go to U.S.A., even if it is a little difficult to preach in that quarter. I have written to Gurudasa and Sucandra to join you—combine together and preach. In U.S.A. there are many preachers, but here no preachers. Otherwise, if you must preach in English then you may preach in England.</p>
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Conflict (Letters)

2009-11-30T18:14:04Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Correspondence" text="1947 to 1965 Correspondence"><h3>1947 to 1965 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSriPadampatSinghaniaKanpur7May1957_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="30" link="Letter to Sri Padampat Singhania -- Kanpur 7 May, 1957" link_text="Letter to Sri Padampat Singhania -- Kanpur 7 May, 1957">
<div class="heading">The whole Hindu Muslim conflict, the whole struggle of Gandhi and Jinnah and the whole question of Kashmir problem in the UNSCO have arisen from this petty difference of bones only.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sri Padampat Singhania -- Kanpur 7 May, 1957|Letter to Sri Padampat Singhania -- Kanpur 7 May, 1957]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There are two different processes for acquiring knowledge. The one is Deductive Process and the other is Inductive Process. In the Deductive Process we deduce the conclusion from the statement of higher authorities whereas by the Inductive Process we make a research in the truth by our own imperfect knowledge and induce a conclusion. Say for example if we want to know how man is mortal then we have to make a research in statistics of daily death occurrences. Rama dies, Syama dies, father dies, mother dies, he dies, she dies, etc. all these experiences may help us in the conclusion that after all man dies and therefore the conclusion man is mortal made. But the defect of this process of knowledge is that it may be that we have not seen a person who is still living even after some thousands of years. As soon as we get this information the whole conclusion that a man is mortal—is at once changed and we have to say that some men are mortal. In this way the research work of scientific thought are constantly changing because the very research work is done by person who is himself a condition by the four principles of mistake, illusion, cheating and imperfection. Therefore, the Deductive Process is more effective. Man is mortal we have heard it from very authoritative sources like the Vedas and we have accepted it. The Vedas say that stool is impure but the stool of the cow is pure. The Vedas say that bone is untouchable but the conchshell which is also a bone is perfectly pure. For the common man the statements of the Vedas appear to be contradictory. But in spite of such contradiction, because we Hindus accept the Vedas as authority we accept cow dung as pure and allow it to be used even in the kitchen. So also we accept the conchshell. The conchshell is after all a bone of an animal but because it is accepted by the Vedas we allow conchshell to be used in the sanctified room of our family deity. If we examine in the physical laboratory or analyse it by chemical test we won't find any difference between the stool of a man and that of a cow or the bone of an ox and that of a conch. And yet the whole Hindu Muslim conflict, the whole struggle of Gandhi and Jinnah and the whole question of Kashmir problem in the UNSCO have arisen from this petty difference of bones only. In the Hindu temple the bone conchshell is already there but as soon as a Muhammadan throws a piece of bone of the ox in the temple—the whole trouble began, resulting in the partition of India and Pakistan. So an impartial mundane student who will enter into the research work of such bone affairs in the annals of Indian History—surely he will come to the conclusion of unrestricted obedience to the words of the Vedas or that of the Koran or that of the Bible that lead to all sorts of Jehad and crusade. As a matter of fact the so called intelligent persons of the modern age have taken the shelter of secularism on the strength of past unfortunate religious feuds. This is another type of nonsense.</p>
<p>Therefore in the present age respect for Deductive Process is dwindling whereas respect for Inductive Process is increasing although we know so far the Inductive research is concerned the process has not been successful. </p>
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<div id="LettertoSirDelhi15April1961_1" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="52" link="Letter to Sir -- Delhi 15 April, 1961" link_text="Letter to Sir -- Delhi 15 April, 1961">
<div class="heading">I am very glad that some of your noble countrymen have taken notice of this defective civilization and have very timely invited this important congress with a future idea of forming an international body like the United Nations Organization not for conflict but for HARMONY.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sir -- Delhi 15 April, 1961|Letter to Sir -- Delhi 15 April, 1961]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Unfortunately, the present human society by the advancement of scientific knowledge, has manufactured lethal weapons to kill and destroy. They have no discovery for living and building peaceful and progressive life. The world has no information for the great problems life.</p>
<p>I am very glad that some of your noble countrymen have taken notice of this defective civilization and have very timely invited this important congress with a future idea of forming an international body like the United Nations Organization not for conflict but for HARMONY.</p>
<p>I am very glad to know this and I am anxious to meet you and render my full cooperation in this great, important and noble endeavour for welfare of the entire human society. I hope this noble movement will unite the communists and the capitalists alike for the common goal of life which still remained veiled for want sufficient intelligent class of men.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBalaiLosAngeles21July1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="459" link="Letter to Balai -- Los Angeles 21 July, 1969" link_text="Letter to Balai -- Los Angeles 21 July, 1969">
<div class="heading">In a Krishna Conscious marriage the basic principle is for both husband and wife to serve Krishna nicely and to help the partner advance in spiritual life. In this way both the husband and wife are true benefactors for one another and there is no question of any serious conflicts or separation.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Balai -- Los Angeles 21 July, 1969|Letter to Balai -- Los Angeles 21 July, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Please accept my blessings. I thank you so much for your letter of July 15, 1969, and I think of you very often that you are a most ideal devotee wife. Your husband, Advaita, is working very hard and nicely in Krishna Consciousness, and when the husband is executing his activities very nicely it is credit not only to the husband himself, but it is a credit to his wife also. In materialistic marriages generally there are too many troubles and frustrations because the basic principle for both the husband and wife is their own personal sense gratification. Therefore there is inevitable conflict and divorce petition. But in a Krishna Conscious marriage the basic principle is for both husband and wife to serve Krishna nicely and to help the partner advance in spiritual life. In this way both the husband and wife are true benefactors for one another and there is no question of any serious conflicts or separation. So I am sure that to have such nice parents who are devotees of Lord Krishna, your child Nandini is very, very fortunate. In Bhagavad-gita Krishna instructs us that for one to be born in the family of devotees means that such person was the most pious of all living entities. So raise Nandini very carefully in Krishna Consciousness, and surely Krishna will bestow all blessings upon you and your family.</p>
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<div id="LettertoMandaliBhadraLosAngeles28July1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="473" link="Letter to Mandali Bhadra -- Los Angeles 28 July, 1969" link_text="Letter to Mandali Bhadra -- Los Angeles 28 July, 1969">
<div class="heading">Just like in a national program, different political parties are sometimes in conflict and make propaganda against each other, but their central point is always service to the country. Similarly, amongst the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati there may be some controversy, but the central point is how to preach the mission of His Divine Grace.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mandali Bhadra -- Los Angeles 28 July, 1969|Letter to Mandali Bhadra -- Los Angeles 28 July, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So far as your question about controversy amongst the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja, that is a fact. But this controversy is not material. Just like in a national program, different political parties are sometimes in conflict and make propaganda against each other, but their central point is always service to the country. Similarly, amongst the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati there may be some controversy, but the central point is how to preach the mission of His Divine Grace. If the central point is fixed up then there is no harm in such controversy. Every individual being must have his opinion; that is the significance of individuality, but all such differences of opinions must coincide in Krishna. In the battlefield of Kuruksetra were Arjuna and Bhisma who were fighting with one another, and because Krishna was on the side of Arjuna, sometimes Bhisma pierced the body of Krishna also with arrows. But still they remained the greatest devotees of the Lord, and Krishna accepted the friendship of Arjuna just as He accepted the inimical arrows of Bhisma in the same loving spirit. So you do not be disturbed by such controversial points. Better you engage your mind very seriously in the matter of the service entrusted upon you. That will make you progressive in Krishna Consciousness.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMohananandaMayapur27February1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="117" link="Letter to Mohanananda -- Mayapur 27 February, 1972" link_text="Letter to Mohanananda -- Mayapur 27 February, 1972">
<div class="heading">The first six chapters of Bhagavad-gita, this knowledge is to understand Krishna. Other so-called cultivation of knowledge, as practiced by the Mayavadis and jnanis, means how to become one with the Supreme. That kind of cultivation of knowledge is prohibited.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mohanananda -- Mayapur 27 February, 1972|Letter to Mohanananda -- Mayapur 27 February, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your second question, Isn't the fact that we say that one should give up the cultivation of knowledge in conflict with the first six chapters of Gita which deal with cultivation of knowledge? The first six chapters of Bhagavad-gita, this knowledge is to understand Krishna. Other so-called cultivation of knowledge, as practiced by the Mayavadis and jnanis, means how to become one with the Supreme. That kind of cultivation of knowledge is prohibited. Cultivation of knowledge to understand Krishna as He is, that is called Bhakti. Generally mayavadi's mean by "knowledge'' how to become one with the Lord. That is to be avoided.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBhavanandaSydney4April1972_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="158" link="Letter to Bhavananda -- Sydney 4 April, 1972" link_text="Letter to Bhavananda -- Sydney 4 April, 1972">
<div class="heading">I understand there was some unstoppable attraction to the material glare, but at the same time Amrtananda was strongly attracted to Krishna, so there was some very great conflict, and because he was weak in his mind he succumbed.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhavananda -- Sydney 4 April, 1972|Letter to Bhavananda -- Sydney 4 April, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated March 27, 1972, and with great sorrow I have noted the contents. I had also very much affection for Amrtananda, but if, as you report, there was some connection with Krishna at the last moment, then we have not to doubt that he will get good opportunity to advance further in Krishna Consciousness, so let us not lament. I understand there was some unstoppable attraction to the material glare, but at the same time he was strongly attracted to Krishna, so there was some very great conflict, and because he was weak in his mind he succumbed. So I think he may now get better opportunity to take it up, because he has become my disciple and has rendered some good service to Krishna. You tried to get him back, that was an honest endeavor. So your kind of attachment for him is not material because it is related with Krishna, so that is good. Feeling loss is no mistake because of course any devotee out of our sight is a great loss.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoPuranjanaBombay7April1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="121" link="Letter to Puranjana -- Bombay 7 April, 1974" link_text="Letter to Puranjana -- Bombay 7 April, 1974">
<div class="heading">For the time being work with Hamsaduta and stop the bickering and conflicting camps.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Puranjana -- Bombay 7 April, 1974|Letter to Puranjana -- Bombay 7 April, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Because of the critical condition of affairs at Bhaktivedanta Manor and Bury Place London, and the inability of present managers to work out a solution together, I have asked Hamsaduta to go there immediately and take charge of the situation. It is not good that things have deteriorated to such a stage as you describe in your letter, but let us try to rectify and save the situation. I myself will be traveling to Paris in the second week of May, for a tour of European cities, and I will meet with Hamsaduta then as well as other leaders, and we will make a decision for the permanent leadership of the centers.</p>
<p>For the time being work with Hamsaduta and stop the bickering and conflicting camps. You must work hard to absolve the debts you have massed so we will not lose our standing there. If everyone is strictly chanting at least 16 rounds daily and reading the books and observing the regulative principles then management will be at our finger's end, and there will be no difficulty in maintaining Krsna Consciousness.</p>
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Natural tendency (Letters)

2009-11-29T18:42:28Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1967_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="2" parent="Correspondence" text="1967 Correspondence"><h3>1967 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoMrinalineVrindaban27August1967_0" class="quote" parent="1967_Correspondence" book="Let" index="131" link="Letter to Mrinaline -- Vrindaban 27 August, 1967" link_text="Letter to Mrinaline -- Vrindaban 27 August, 1967">
<div class="heading">Anyone who has a natural tendency for rejecting sense-gratification is considered to be advanced or liberated in spiritual life.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mrinaline -- Vrindaban 27 August, 1967|Letter to Mrinaline -- Vrindaban 27 August, 1967]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am so glad that you have returned to Krishna. Krishna is kind that He does not let us go, anyone who sincerely takes to Him. And therefore you do not wish to leave Him anymore. This decision will lead you to your eternal life of bliss and knowledge. Certainly in your past life you must have had been a devotee of the Lord, otherwise you wouldn't have felt like becoming a nun at such a young age. Anyone who has a natural tendency for rejecting sense-gratification is considered to be advanced or liberated in spiritual life.</p>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHimavatiMontreal14June1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="201" link="Letter to Himavati -- Montreal 14 June, 1968" link_text="Letter to Himavati -- Montreal 14 June, 1968">
<div class="heading">You should understand that there is no objection to live together as husband and wife. The tendency is there, it is natural. But if one can check it, that is very good. But it is not compulsory.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Himavati -- Montreal 14 June, 1968|Letter to Himavati -- Montreal 14 June, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There is no need of separation. Live together and train up your mind, that is all. Artificial separation is never recommended. And when you see, living together, you have no desire for sense gratification, then that is the highest stage of perfection. Voluntary restraint is tapasya, austerity, and this is possible with advancement of Krishna Consciousness. Artificial separation is foolishness. We recommend voluntary restraint, not artificial separation. So you should understand that there is no objection to live together as husband and wife. The tendency is there, it is natural. But if one can check it, that is very good. But it is not compulsory. And not to be checked artificially, but with advancement of strength in Krishna Consciousness.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSivanandaLosAngeles11November1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="408" link="Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 11 November, 1968" link_text="Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 11 November, 1968">
<div class="heading">You have the tendency for botany, you can grow nice flowers and fruits for Krishna, that is the utilization of your natural tendency.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 11 November, 1968|Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 11 November, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your specific talents are to be engaged under direction of the Spiritual Master. Everything, every talent can be employed in Krishna's service, and how to do it is known to the Spiritual Master. You have the tendency for botany, you can grow nice flowers and fruits for Krishna, that is the utilization of your natural tendency. If you have got specific training in this connection, then after establishing this center in Hamburg you can come to our New Vrindaban and grow things, or you can grow things in Hamburg also. Fruits and flowers can be produced anywhere.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSatyabhamaLosAngeles27December1968_2" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="517" link="Letter to Satyabhama -- Los Angeles 27 December, 1968" link_text="Letter to Satyabhama -- Los Angeles 27 December, 1968">
<div class="heading">So in the village there is a natural tendency for Krishna Consciousness, so we want to develop such atmosphere in New Vrindaban.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Satyabhama -- Los Angeles 27 December, 1968|Letter to Satyabhama -- Los Angeles 27 December, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Actually, I have no desire to start the school in any city. City life, especially in this age of kali yuga, is very much polluted. Poet Cowper stated that the city is made by man and the village is made by God. So in the village there is a natural tendency for Krishna Consciousness, so we want to develop such atmosphere in New Vrindaban. Your cooperation in this matter will very much encourage me. Thank you once more for your letter.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaLosAngeles26June1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="396" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Los Angeles 26 June, 1969" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Los Angeles 26 June, 1969">
<div class="heading">So Sankirtana is our life and soul, and you have got a natural tendency for these Sankirtana performances.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Los Angeles 26 June, 1969|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Los Angeles 26 June, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">As you know that in the beginning of the Sankirtana Party, first I suggested to you, and you formed a small party in New York and began to perform Sankirtana in the parks. To some extent this was successful. Then gradually this idea was taken by others, and I am getting good reports from everywhere. So Sankirtana is our life and soul, and you have got a natural tendency for these Sankirtana performances. I have seen this personally, and you can do it very nicely. So for you the best thing will be to form a Sankirtana Party for yourself and travel all over the country.</p>
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<div id="1970_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Correspondence" text="1970 Correspondence"><h3>1970 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAnilGroverLosAngeles5February1970_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="76" link="Letter to Anil Grover -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970" link_text="Letter to Anil Grover -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970">
<div class="heading">If Western people are expert in technological knowledge, and if their natural tendency is to develop it, let them do it. But as far as we Indians are concerned, our people are naturally inclined for spiritual elevation.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Anil Grover -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970|Letter to Anil Grover -- Los Angeles 5 February, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">If Western people are expert in technological knowledge, and if their natural tendency is to develop it, let them do it. But as far as we Indians are concerned, our people are naturally inclined for spiritual elevation. Therefore, even in these days also when there is Kumbha Mela at Prayag or any other place, or there is a particular function in some pilgrimage like Jagannatha Puri, Vrindaban, Haridwar, etc., millions of people gather without any advertising. So these natural tendencies should not be disturbed, but the people of a particular section of the world should develop their indigenous talent and then exchange with others. So the Western people may give us their product, and we may give them our product; and by such exchanging policy, both of us may flourish in our civilized way of life.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRadhaMadhavaSharanLosAngeles6June1970_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Correspondence" book="Let" index="347" link="Letter to Radha Madhava Sharan -- Los Angeles 6 June, 1970" link_text="Letter to Radha Madhava Sharan -- Los Angeles 6 June, 1970">
<div class="heading">After material opulence the natural tendency is for something which is better. That better is spiritual enlightenment.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Radha Madhava Sharan -- Los Angeles 6 June, 1970|Letter to Radha Madhava Sharan -- Los Angeles 6 June, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Things are going here nice. The younger generation is taking very serious interest, and whatever advancement is made it is due to their cooperation. They are taking seriously to the sadacarya process—good behavior. The thing is that this country is not poverty stricken. So after material opulence the natural tendency is for something which is better. That better is spiritual enlightenment.</p>
<p>The leaders of these countries could not deliver that better thing to the hankering souls, and as such some of them have become frustrated and confused. Now, having received this transcendental message of Bhagavad-gita As It Is, they are feeling relieved. So there is very good possibility of advancing this movement, and I am so glad that you are ready to offer your cooperation in this connection.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKartikeyaKMahadeviaJohannesburg19October1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="604" link="Letter to Kartikeya K. Mahadevia -- Johannesburg 19 October, 1975" link_text="Letter to Kartikeya K. Mahadevia -- Johannesburg 19 October, 1975">
<div class="heading">We have to organize their natural tendency and elevate them again back to Home, Back-to-Godhead.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Kartikeya K. Mahadevia -- Johannesburg 19 October, 1975|Letter to Kartikeya K. Mahadevia -- Johannesburg 19 October, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now, our next program will be to organize farming land to set an example to the whole world how people can be peaceful, happy, and free from all anxieties simply by chanting Hare Krishna Maha-mantra and living an honorable life in Krishna Consciousness. In India especially people are religiously inclined. They like to live in village and also like to love Lord Rama, Lord Krishna. This idealism is running through their blood and veins. We have to organize their natural tendency and elevate them again back to Home, Back-to-Godhead. Please think over these points very seriously and as soon as I return we shall take up the program. My beloved sannyasi disciple Swami Pusta Krishna has promised to give me a car, and as soon as I get it I shall move from village to village along with some selected assistants and organize this farming village development program.</p>
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Frozen (Books)

2009-11-29T10:09:45Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" class="section" sec_index="1" parent="compilation" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2>
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<div id="SB_Canto_5" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 5"><h3>SB Canto 5</h3>
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<div id="SB51311_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_5" book="SB" index="294" link="SB 5.13.11" link_text="SB 5.13.11">
<div class="heading">Sometimes the living entity is busy counteracting the natural disturbances of freezing cold, scorching heat, strong wind, excessive rainfall and so forth. When he is unable to do so, he becomes very unhappy.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 5.13.11|SB 5.13.11, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Sometimes the living entity is busy counteracting the natural disturbances of freezing cold, scorching heat, strong wind, excessive rainfall and so forth. When he is unable to do so, he becomes very unhappy. Sometimes he is cheated in business transactions one after another. In this way, by cheating, living entities create enmity among themselves.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>This is an example of the struggle for existence, the attempt to counteract the onslaught of material nature. This creates enmity in society, and consequently society is filled with envious people. One person is envious of another, and this is the way of the material world. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement aims at creating an atmosphere of non-envy. Of course it is not possible for everyone to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, but the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement can create an exemplary society wherein there is no envy.</p>
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<div id="SB51425_1" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_5" book="SB" index="335" link="SB 5.14.25" link_text="SB 5.14.25">
<div class="heading">These threefold miseries are miseries suffered by mental calamity at the hands of the demigods (such as freezing wind and scorching heat), miseries offered by other living entities, and miseries arising from the mind and body themselves.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 5.14.25|SB 5.14.25, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Being unable to protect himself from the threefold miseries of material existence, the conditioned soul becomes very morose and lives a life of lamentation. These threefold miseries are miseries suffered by mental calamity at the hands of the demigods (such as freezing wind and scorching heat), miseries offered by other living entities, and miseries arising from the mind and body themselves.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The so-called happy materialistic person is constantly having to endure the threefold miseries of life, called adhidaivika, adhyātmika and adhibhautika. Actually no one can counteract these threefold miseries. All three may assail one at one time, or one misery may be absent and the other present. Thus the living entity is full of anxiety, fearing misery from one side or the other. The conditioned soul must be disturbed by at least one of these three miseries. There is no escape.</p>
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<div id="SB_Canto_7" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 7"><h3>SB Canto 7</h3>
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<div id="SB7235_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_7" book="SB" index="76" link="SB 7.2.35" link_text="SB 7.2.35">
<div class="heading">The bodily concept of life is extremely strong among foolish persons, who are compared to cows and asses. Nowadays, great scientists are trying to freeze dead bodies so that in the future these frozen bodies may again be brought to life.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 7.2.35|SB 7.2.35, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">Not only do foolish men and women consider the body the self, but we have even seen that the dead body of a so-called yogī was kept for days by his disciples, who thought that their guru was in samādhi. When decomposition began and a bad smell unfortunately began to overwhelm the yogic power, the disciples allowed the dead body of the so-called yogī to be burned. Thus the bodily concept of life is extremely strong among foolish persons, who are compared to cows and asses. Nowadays, great scientists are trying to freeze dead bodies so that in the future these frozen bodies may again be brought to life. The incident narrated by Hiraṇyakaśipu from history must have taken place millions of years ago because Hiraṇyakaśipu lived millions of years ago and was even then quoting from history. Thus the incident occurred before Hiraṇyakaśipu's lifetime, but the same ignorance in the bodily concept of life is still prevalent, not only among laymen but even among scientists who think they will be able to revive frozen corpses.</p>
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<div id="SB_Cantos_1014_to_12_Translations_Only" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Cantos 10.14 to 12 (Translations Only)"><h3>SB Cantos 10.14 to 12 (Translations Only)</h3>
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<div id="SB11184_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Cantos_10.14_to_12_(Translations_Only)" book="SB" index="3799" link="SB 11.18.4" link_text="SB 11.18.4">
<div class="heading">Thus engaged as a vānaprastha, one should execute penance. In the freezing winter one should remain submerged in water up to one's neck.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 11.18.4|SB 11.18.4, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Thus engaged as a vānaprastha, one should execute penance during the hottest summer days by subjecting oneself to burning fires on four sides and the blazing sun overhead; during the rainy season one should remain outside, subjecting oneself to torrents of rain; and in the freezing winter one should remain submerged in water up to one's neck.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>One who engages in sense gratification must perform severe penances at the end of life to counteract his sinful, hedonistic activities. A devotee of the Lord, however, naturally develops Kṛṣṇa consciousness and need not subject himself to such radical penances. As stated in the Pañcarātra,</p>
:ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kiṁ
:nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim
:antar bahir yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kiṁ
:nāntar bahir yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim
<p>"If one is worshiping the Lord properly, what is the use of severe penances? And if one is not properly worshiping the Lord, what is the use of severe penances? If Śrī Kṛṣṇa is realized within and without everything that exists, what is the use of severe penances? And if Śrī Kṛṣṇa is not seen within and without everything, then what is the use of severe penances?"</p>
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<div id="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" class="section" sec_index="3" parent="compilation" text="Other Books by Srila Prabhupada"><h2>Other Books by Srila Prabhupada</h2>
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<div id="Nectar_of_Devotion" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" text="Nectar of Devotion"><h3>Nectar of Devotion</h3>
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<div id="NOD40_0" class="quote" parent="Nectar_of_Devotion" book="OB" index="285" link="NOD 40" link_text="Nectar of Devotion 40">
<div class="heading">When Cupid came on one occasion to visit Lord Kṛṣṇa, some devotee addressed him thus: "My dear Cupid, because you have been so fortunate as to have placed your eyesight on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, the drops of perspiration on your body have become frozen, and they resemble kaṇṭakī fruits"
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:NOD 40|Nectar of Devotion 40]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">When Cupid came on one occasion to visit Lord Kṛṣṇa, some devotee addressed him thus: "My dear Cupid, because you have been so fortunate as to have placed your eyesight on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, the drops of perspiration on your body have become frozen, and they resemble kaṇṭakī fruits (a kind of small fruit found in thorny bushes)." These are signs of ecstasy and veneration for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When the princes of the Yadu dynasty heard the vibration of Kṛṣṇa's Pāñcajanya conchshell, the hairs on their bodies immediately stood up in ecstatic jubilation. It seemed at that time that all the hairs on the bodies of the princes were dancing in ecstasy.</p>
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<div id="Krsna_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" text="Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead"><h3>Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead</h3>
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<div id="KB66_0" class="quote" parent="Krsna,_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" book="OB" index="70" link="KB 66" link_text="Krsna Book 66">
<div class="heading">By his effulgence the Sudarśana cakra illuminated the entire universe, on the surface of the earth as well as in outer space. Then the Sudarśana cakra began to freeze the fiery demon created by Lord Śiva.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:KB 66|Krsna Book 66]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Lord Kṛṣṇa, who specifically protects His devotees, saw that the whole population of Dvārakā was most perturbed by the presence of the great fiery demon. He immediately smiled and assured them, “Don't worry. I shall give you all protection.” The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is all-pervading. He is within everyone's heart, and He is also without, in the form of the cosmic manifestation. He could understand that the fiery demon was a creation of Lord Śiva, and in order to vanquish the demon He took His Sudarśana cakra and ordered him to take the necessary steps. The Sudarśana cakra appeared with the effulgence of millions of suns, his heat being as powerful as the fire created at the end of the cosmic manifestation. By his effulgence the Sudarśana cakra illuminated the entire universe, on the surface of the earth as well as in outer space. Then the Sudarśana cakra began to freeze the fiery demon created by Lord Śiva. In this way, the fiery demon was checked by the Sudarśana cakra of Lord Kṛṣṇa, and, being defeated in his attempt to devastate the city of Dvārakā, he turned back.</p>
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<div id="KB88_1" class="quote" parent="Krsna,_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" book="OB" index="92" link="KB 88" link_text="Krsna Book 88">
<div class="heading">When after the dense, dark night there is finally sunrise in the morning, it is very pleasant; when there is scorching heat, cold water is very pleasant; and when there is freezing winter, hot water is very pleasant. Similarly, when a devotee, after experiencing the distress of the material world, relishes the spiritual happiness awarded by the Lord, his position is still more pleasant and enjoyable.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:KB 88|Krsna Book 88]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">When a devotee is put into a situation of distress, his devotional activities are accelerated. Therefore, to show special favor to a devotee, the Lord sometimes puts him into distress. Besides that, it is stated that the sweetness of happiness is sweeter to those who have tasted bitterness. The Supreme Lord descends to this material world just to protect His devotees from distress. In other words, if devotees were not in a distressed condition, the Lord would not have come down. As for His killing the demons, or miscreants, this can be easily done by His various energies, just as many asuras are killed by His external energy, goddess Durgā. Therefore the Lord does not need to come down personally to kill such demons, but when His devotee is in distress He must come. Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva appeared not in order to kill Hiraṇyakaśipu but to save Prahlāda and to give him blessings. In other words, because Prahlāda Mahārāja was put into very great distress, the Lord appeared.</p>
<p>When after the dense, dark night there is finally sunrise in the morning, it is very pleasant; when there is scorching heat, cold water is very pleasant; and when there is freezing winter, hot water is very pleasant. Similarly, when a devotee, after experiencing the distress of the material world, relishes the spiritual happiness awarded by the Lord, his position is still more pleasant and enjoyable.</p>
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Naughty (Letters)

2009-11-28T17:14:10Z

Madhavi:

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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Correspondence" text="1947 to 1965 Correspondence"><h3>1947 to 1965 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSallyNewYork6November1965_0" class="quote" parent="1947_to_1965_Correspondence" book="Let" index="66" link="Letter to Sally -- New York 6 November, 1965" link_text="Letter to Sally -- New York 6 November, 1965">
<div class="heading">I am anxious to learn about the health of you all, Sally, specially of your little children. How is your naughty daughter Kamla. Please offer them my love and blessings and so also accept both of you.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sally -- New York 6 November, 1965|Letter to Sally -- New York 6 November, 1965]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding your reminder for my good cooking, I am very much thankful to you and next time when I shall go to your home, I must serve you with good lunches without fail. Now I am far away from you otherwise I would have at once gone to you and entertained you with such lunches. I am anxious to learn about the health of you all specially of your little children. How is your naughty daughter Kamla. Please offer them my love and blessings and so also accept both of you. Please write to me occasionally and as Gopala is not accustomed to reply promptly I shall henceforward write to you. Did you meet your good father and mother in the meantime? If you meet them please offer them my respectful regards. Both your father and mother are good souls and therefore you are a good daughter of your parents. I remember all of you always.</p>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoJanakiLosAngeles9December1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="476" link="Letter to Janaki -- Los Angeles 9 December, 1968" link_text="Letter to Janaki -- Los Angeles 9 December, 1968">
<div class="heading">Actually, I always think of you as my naughty daughter and from the start of this movement, you and your very good husband have always shown to be very sincere and important members of our society.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Janaki -- Los Angeles 9 December, 1968|Letter to Janaki -- Los Angeles 9 December, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">With the greatest satisfaction I have just now read over your nicely composed and hand-written letter of December 12, 1968 and I thank you so much for the kind sentiments you have expressed therein. I had also been thinking of you because you were thinking of me, but as your letter has arrived first it is for me to answer it. Actually, I always think of you as my naughty daughter and from the start of this movement, you and your very good husband have always shown to be very sincere and important members of our society. So I know that both of your services are most sincere and I will always appreciate this.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBrahmanandaLosAngeles27February1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="151" link="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1969" link_text="Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1969">
<div class="heading">In my childhood I was very naughty boy, and I used to catch my father in so many ways demanding unreasonable things, and my father used to satisfy me.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1969|Letter to Brahmananda -- Los Angeles 27 February, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You have written to say that you are my disobedient son, but I think I am your disturbing father. I am putting more and more burden upon you but you are so tolerant that you have no hesitation to accept my demands even although sometimes they are unreasonable. So practically you are acting as my father. In my childhood I was very naughty boy, and I used to catch my father in so many ways demanding unreasonable things, and my father used to satisfy me. So although I lost my father in 1930, about 40 years ago, by Krishna's Grace I have got so many American young fathers. But the same nature continues, and I am demanding from my fathers the same thing which may be a little burdensome. But I am sure Krishna will be very much pleased if you will kindly tolerate some unreasonable demands from me.</p>
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<div id="LettertoSudamaKartikeyaBuffalo19April1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="237" link="Letter to Sudama, Kartikeya -- Buffalo 19 April, 1969" link_text="Letter to Sudama, Kartikeya -- Buffalo 19 April, 1969">
<div class="heading">Krishna's picture as a Naughty Child should not be treated by us as a naughty child. We should always worship Krishna as the Supreme Lord.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Sudama, Kartikeya -- Buffalo 19 April, 1969|Letter to Sudama, Kartikeya -- Buffalo 19 April, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding Karatieya's question about worshiping Lord Jagannatha, He should always be worshiped with awe and reverence. Krishna's picture as a Naughty Child should not be treated by us as a naughty child. We should always worship Krishna as the Supreme Lord.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoDanavirDelhi12December1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="573" link="Letter to Danavir -- Delhi 12 December, 1971" link_text="Letter to Danavir -- Delhi 12 December, 1971">
<div class="heading">Janaki will listen to me. Whatever I say, she will do. She is my naughty daughter but I like her in all circumstances.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Danavir -- Delhi 12 December, 1971|Letter to Danavir -- Delhi 12 December, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad that you will holding the 1st Annual Abhisheka Yatra Parade and Festival in Portland city. Also I am pleased to learn that Mukunda is helping you. He is one of my first disciples, along with his wife Janaki, and I am very fond of them both. They are both very intelligent and educated, but Mukunda is little mild, so he could not control his wife and there was some difficulty. But Janaki* will listen to me. Whatever I say, she will do. Now I am very glad to hear that they are working nicely to help you there, that is very encouraging. Why Mukunda does not write?</p>
<p>*She is my naughty daughter but I like her in all circumstances.</p>
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<div id="LettertoMukundaBombay28December1971_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="600" link="Letter to Mukunda -- Bombay 28 December, 1971" link_text="Letter to Mukunda -- Bombay 28 December, 1971">
<div class="heading">Why your naughty wife, Janaki, does not write me? She is angry upon me or what is that?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Mukunda -- Bombay 28 December, 1971|Letter to Mukunda -- Bombay 28 December, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I can understand that you are feeling some separation, as I am also feeling some separation from both you and your good wife, Janaki. I am very pleased to see that you are all right and that you are advancing nicely in Krishna Consciousness. Why your naughty wife, Janaki, does not write me? She is angry upon me or what is that? You are both some of my first disciples, and because of you so many others came, so I am always remembering you fondly. Now please just remain very serious in pursuing your proper goal of life by sticking to the pure standard of routine work like chanting, reading, rising early, cleansing nicely, going on street Sankirtana whenever possible, like that. Then I promise you you will not fail to be really happy in this life and in the end reach the Supreme destination.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoKirtananandaJaipur20January1972_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="55" link="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Jaipur 20 January, 1972" link_text="Letter to Kirtanananda -- Jaipur 20 January, 1972">
<div class="heading">Yes, you may name your naughty boy Radha-Damodara because He is always being tied-up with ropes.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Kirtanananda -- Jaipur 20 January, 1972|Letter to Kirtanananda -- Jaipur 20 January, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is very nice that even the Mayor was convinced by you to buy our Krsna Book. That is a very good sign. Yes, you may name your naughty boy Radha-Damodara because He is always being tied-up with ropes.</p>
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<div id="LettertoBrahmanyaTirthaAhmedabad10December1972_2" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="601" link="Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha -- Ahmedabad 10 December, 1972" link_text="Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha -- Ahmedabad 10 December, 1972">
<div class="heading">If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way. Of course, if they become naughty we may show the stick but we should never use it.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha -- Ahmedabad 10 December, 1972|Letter to Brahmanya Tirtha -- Ahmedabad 10 December, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way. Of course, if they become naughty we may show the stick but we should never use it. Child is nonsense, so you can trick him to obey you by making some little story and the child will become cheated in the proper behavior. But never apply force, especially to his chanting and other matters of spiritual training. That will spoil him and in the future he will not like to do it if he forced.</p>
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See the fun (Books)

2009-11-28T10:29:53Z

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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" class="section" sec_index="1" parent="compilation" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2>
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<div id="SB_Canto_7" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 7"><h3>SB Canto 7</h3>
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<div id="SB7827_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_7" book="SB" index="330" link="SB 7.8.27" link_text="SB 7.8.27">
<div class="heading">Hiraṇyakaśipu was destined to be ultimately killed by Nṛsiṁhadeva, but just to see the fun, the Lord gave him a chance to slip from His hands.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 7.8.27|SB 7.8.27, Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="purport text"><p style="display: inline;">When a sinful man enjoys material facilities, foolish people sometimes think, "How is it that this sinful man is enjoying whereas a pious man is suffering?" By the will of the Supreme, a sinful man is sometimes given the chance to enjoy the material world as if he were not under the clutches of material nature, just so that he may be fooled. A sinful man who acts against the laws of nature must be punished, but sometimes he is given a chance to play, exactly like Hiraṇyakaśipu when he was released from the hands of Nṛsiṁhadeva. Hiraṇyakaśipu was destined to be ultimately killed by Nṛsiṁhadeva, but just to see the fun, the Lord gave him a chance to slip from His hands.</p>
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<div id="SB_Canto_101_to_1013" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 10.1 to 10.13"><h3>SB Canto 10.1 to 10.13</h3>
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<div id="SB101340_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_10.1_to_10.13" book="SB" index="544" link="SB 10.13.40" link_text="SB 10.13.40">
<div class="heading">After one moment of Brahmā's calculation, Brahmā came back to see the fun caused by his stealing the boys and calves.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 10.13.40|SB 10.13.40, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">When Lord Brahmā returned after a moment of time had passed (according to his own measurement), he saw that although by human measurement a complete year had passed, Lord Kṛṣṇa, after all that time, was engaged just as before in playing with the boys and calves, who were His expansions.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>Lord Brahmā had gone away for only a moment of his time, but when he returned, a year of human time had passed. On different planets, the calculation of time is different. To give an example, a man-made satellite may orbit the earth in an hour and twenty-five minutes and thus complete one full day, although a day ordinarily takes twenty-four hours for those living on earth. Therefore, what was but a moment for Brahmā was one year on earth. Kṛṣṇa continued to expand Himself in so many forms for one year, but by the arrangement of yogamāyā no one could understand this but Balarāma.</p>
<p>After one moment of Brahmā's calculation, Brahmā came back to see the fun caused by his stealing the boys and calves. But he was also afraid that he was playing with fire. Kṛṣṇa was his master, and he had played mischief for fun by taking away Kṛṣṇa's calves and boys. He was really anxious, so he did not stay away very long; he came back after a moment (of his calculation). When Brahmā returned, he saw that all the boys, calves and cows were playing with Kṛṣṇa in the same way as when he had come upon them; by Kṛṣṇa's display of yogamāyā, the same pastimes were going on without any change.</p>
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<div class="heading">Surrounded by guards, King Yudhiṣṭhira's queens came out on their chariots to see the fun.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 10.75.16|SB 10.75.16, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Surrounded by guards, King Yudhiṣṭhira's queens came out on their chariots to see the fun, just as the demigods' wives appeared in the sky in celestial airplanes. As maternal cousins and intimate friends sprinkled the queens with liquids, the ladies' faces bloomed with shy smiles, enhancing the queens' splendid beauty.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The maternal cousins referred to here are Lord Kṛṣṇa and such brothers of His as Gada and Sāraṇa, and the friends mentioned are such persons as Bhīma and Arjuna.</p>
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<div id="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta" class="section" sec_index="2" parent="compilation" text="Sri Caitanya-caritamrta"><h2>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta</h2>
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<div id="CC_Antya-lila" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta" text="CC Antya-lila"><h3>CC Antya-lila</h3>
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<div id="CCAntya681_0" class="quote" parent="CC_Antya-lila" book="CC" index="1138" link="CC Antya 6.81" link_text="CC Antya 6.81">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:CC Antya 6.81|CC Antya 6.81, Translation]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">In this way Lord Nityānanda was walking through all the groups of eaters, and all the Vaiṣṇavas standing there were seeing the fun.</p>
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<div id="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" class="section" sec_index="3" parent="compilation" text="Other Books by Srila Prabhupada"><h2>Other Books by Srila Prabhupada</h2>
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<div id="NOD33_0" class="quote" parent="Nectar_of_Devotion" book="OB" index="268" link="NOD 33" link_text="Nectar of Devotion 33">
<div class="heading">One of the friends of mother Yaśodā said, "Yaśodā, just see the fun!
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:NOD 33|Nectar of Devotion 33]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">One of the friends of mother Yaśodā said, "Yaśodā, just see the fun! On the one hand, there is your child, who is always captivated by sucking the milk from your breast, and on the other hand there is the great Govardhana Hill, which can obstruct the passing of the clouds. But still, just see how wonderful it is that this great Govardhana Hill is resting on the finger of your child's left hand, just as though it were a toy. Is this not very mysterious?" This statement is another example of astonishment in devotional service by direct perception.</p>
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<div id="Krsna_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Other_Books_by_Srila_Prabhupada" text="Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead"><h3>Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead</h3>
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<div id="KB12_0" class="quote" parent="Krsna,_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" book="OB" index="16" link="KB 12" link_text="Krsna Book 12">
<div class="heading">When Kṛṣṇa entered the mouth of the demon, all the demigods, who had gathered to see the fun and who were hiding within the clouds, expressed their feelings with the words "Alas! Alas!"
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:KB 12|Krsna Book 12]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Kṛṣṇa is the assurance of safety to everyone. But when He saw that His friends were already out of His hands and were lying within the belly of a great serpent, He became momentarily aggrieved. He was also struck with wonder at how the external energy works so wonderfully. He then began to consider how He could kill the demon and at the same time save the boys and calves. Although there was no factual concern on Kṛṣṇa's part, He was thinking like that. Finally, after some deliberation, He also entered the mouth of the demon. When Kṛṣṇa entered, all the demigods, who had gathered to see the fun and who were hiding within the clouds, expressed their feelings with the words "Alas! Alas!" At the same time, all the friends of Aghāsura, especially Kaṁsa, who were all accustomed to eating flesh and blood, expressed their jubilation, understanding that Kṛṣṇa had also entered the mouth of the demon.</p>
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<div id="KB13_1" class="quote" parent="Krsna,_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" book="OB" index="17" link="KB 13" link_text="Krsna Book 13">
<div class="heading">After one moment of Brahmā's calculation, Brahmā came back to see the fun caused by his stealing the boys and calves.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:KB 13|Krsna Book 13]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">After one moment of Brahmā's calculation, Brahmā came back to see the fun caused by his stealing the boys and calves. But he was also afraid that he was playing with fire. Kṛṣṇa was his master, and he had played mischief for fun by taking away His calves and boys. He was really anxious, so he did not stay away very long; he came back after a moment (of his calculation). He saw that all the boys and calves were playing with Kṛṣṇa in the same way as when he had come upon them, although he was confident that he had taken them and made them lie down asleep under the spell of his mystic power. Brahmā began to think, "All the boys and calves were taken away by me, and I know they are still sleeping. How is it that a similar batch of boys and calves is playing with Kṛṣṇa? Is it that they are not influenced by my mystic power? Have they been playing continually for one year with Kṛṣṇa?"</p>
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<div id="KB43_2" class="quote" parent="Krsna,_The_Supreme_Personality_of_Godhead" book="OB" index="47" link="KB 43" link_text="Krsna Book 43">
<div class="heading">After taking Their baths and finishing all other morning duties, Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma could hear the beating of the kettledrums in the wrestling arena. They immediately prepared Themselves to proceed to the spot to see the fun.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:KB 43|Krsna Book 43]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">After taking Their baths and finishing all other morning duties, Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma could hear the beating of the kettledrums in the wrestling arena. They immediately prepared Themselves to proceed to the spot to see the fun. When Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma reached the gate of the wrestling arena, They saw a big elephant of the name Kuvalayāpīḍa being tended by a caretaker riding on its head. The caretaker was deliberately blocking Their entrance by keeping the elephant in front of the gateway. Kṛṣṇa could understand the purpose of the caretaker, and He prepared Himself by tightening His clothes before combating the elephant. He addressed the caretaker in a very grave voice, as resounding as a cloud: "You miscreant caretaker, give way and let Me pass through the gate. If you block My way, I shall send you and your elephant to the house of death personified."</p>
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