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<div class="heading">Gṛhastha should not be dependent on Society. At the same time, he should not be independent of the Society. (laughs) This is the position. Because Society cannot take charge of a family. There will be so many number of families. How it is possible? At the same time, if they remain independently of the Society, without touch, then the karmīs' poison will infect.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation about Grhasthas -- July 17, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation about Grhasthas -- July 17, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...gṛhastha life. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura independently... Or I was also gṛhastha. Our aim was different. But this neophyte, if they remain aloof from temple connection without attending the function, gradually they will be lost.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was the reason that I suggested to Abhirāma Prabhu that he should make his business in Bombay. Actually the gṛhasthas have no desire to live independent of the temples. Just like Mādhavānanda, he's got an apartment now just near the temple so that he can attend maṅgala-ārati and the other functions.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless these things are continued, the karmīs' poison will spoil them. He can do independent business; there is no harm. But must be connected with the devotional service.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just like Abhirāma constructed that house. That's all right. He is within the campus. There is no harm. And now if he goes away after so much training, advancement, if they are lost, then that's a great loss for the Society. With such... With great difficulty we make one Vaiṣṇava. And again, if he goes like Śyāmasundara, then it is great loss. The whole idea is to give up attachment for material world and increase attachment for Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection. Now, according to one's position, gradually... But this is the aim. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate ([[Vanisource:BG 2.59|BG 2.59]]). Nivṛtti.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't think Abhirāma has any intention of going away.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, he has no intention, but he lives apart from temple connection...</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then he will go away automatically.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So that's not possible, then, for him to go to Bangalore, 'cause we have no center in Bangalore.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So he wants to organize a center there?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he was thinking of organizing business.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then Bombay is better place than Bangalore.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. He admits it's a better place. No, he can be encouraged very easily to go to Bombay. I mean, generally, throughout our Society, I don't think the trend of the gṛhasthas is to move away from temples and live independently. If they live independently from the temple, it's in close...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. There is chance, I said.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The karmīs' association is very contaminous. Asat-saṅgī. So for him the best thing will be to take a room in Bombay. Let him do business.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm sure now that... I'll convey all...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Gṛhastha should not be dependent on Society. At the same time, he should not be independent of the Society. (laughs) This is the position. Because Society cannot take charge of a family. There will be so many number of families. How it is possible? At the same time, if they remain independently of the Society, without touch, then the karmīs' poison will infect.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems like the solution is to get apartments near the temple, get room near the temple.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why not in the temple? Why? If he pays, what is wrong?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, in a place like Bombay where we have so many buildings, in the temple. But sometimes... Just like in America, if there's only one building with only...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, America also... Just like Los Angeles we have got.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's different. There there are apartments.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Similarly, you have to arrange like that. They should not live completely independent. That will be future danger.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It has to be a community of devotees.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa conscious ideal gṛhasthas. That we want. Just like Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. There are many. I was gṛhastha. There was Deity worship, everything nice. I was publishing Back to Godhead from gṛhastha. So aim was there. But I could not leave family life for some circumstances. That is a different thing. Must be in touch with the devotional service as in the temple. If live nearby temple, it is easier, or in the temple. But aloof, that is dangerous.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If they live in the temple, then there's the problem of... You know.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Temple, he can take one room, pay for it. He wants to pay. That is also payment. And further, if he can pay, that's all right.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In America, supposing a householder family pays for a room in our temple building. So they can have their sex life and family life?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If they can pay for prasādam also, it is nice. Sex... Husband-wife living, there must be sex, so who can...?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So how can that be in the same building as the brahmacārī ashram?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no, so many other gṛhastha tenants.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's in, like, Hare Kṛṣṇa Land in Bombay. But supposing in a...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you cannot check. Gṛhastha means they must have sex. But they're living independent, separately.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that's in Hare Kṛṣṇa Land.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, anywhere. If they are doing independent business, let them do that.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So in the New York...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Karmīs' concession, sex.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In the New York they can live families together? In that building, families can live together and have sex life?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is wrong?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In that building. It's all right?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Why not? In a building there are so many different types of men. In a big building, apartment building, you cannot expect all of them of the same class.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm. 'Cause in Bombay you had said that is was better that in an immediate building of the temple they should not live together with wife. They should live separately.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is, they are not doing business. They are attached to temple activities. Anyway, these things have to be adjusted. You cannot follow very rigid in case of gṛhasthas. Some way or other, you have to adjust. We cannot allow them to be lost.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. That's clear.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Better allow them to live together. What can be done? But we cannot lose them. After training so much, if they are lost, then that is a great loss. This I am giving hint. Now you GBC, you change them. Make process.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Right now in our Society throughout the world, wherever there are gṛhasthas living in our temples, they live separate from their wives. And if they want to live with their wives, then they get a room or an apartment near the temple.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So may be like that, but must be attached to the temple.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that's the clear point. We should not lose anyone.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that's a great loss.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because if husband and wife live together in the temple itself, where there are so many brahmacārīs and... (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...he makes love with a girl and marries and live at the cost of Society, and that is to be discouraged. If you want to marry, you work independently. Maintain yourself. And whatever you can contribute, do that. That is the... Just like Abhirāma. He's very good. And I don't want to be lost. He constructed that house, I never forbade. And it is in the campus. Let him remain a little separately. It doesn't matter.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think the main reason he can't live there anymore is that because of doing business he'll not always be able to be in Māyāpur, and he doesn't feel that that house is safe for his wife to live there alone.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why alone? Can live with others.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Other householders there also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Many householders can live there together.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. There's room on the floor below...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...his apartment for two other families. I don't know what...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That can be arranged. That is not...</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't think he feels it's safe enough.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. This is incidental. This is not permanent problem.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't know what's behind it. I don't know the full reason why he doesn't want to stay there anymore.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If he wants to do business, how he can stay there?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. There's no business in Māyāpur.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is business there?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He wants to go where there's a business center.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, business means he must do business in some city.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Bombay.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anywhere. Bombay is the best city. He has got facility to stay there. For business Bombay is the best city.</p>
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