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<div id="LectureonSB631617GorakhpurFebruary101971_0" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="721" link="Lecture on SB 6.3.16-17 -- Gorakhpur, February 10, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.3.16-17 -- Gorakhpur, February 10, 1971">
<div class="heading">There is perfection everywhere in the spiritual world, but it is a question of variety, taste. When you take rasagullā, don't take kachori, that does not mean kachori is not perfect. It is a question of taste. Somebody likes kachori, somebody likes rasagullā. Not that kachori is inferior to rasagullā; rasagullā is inferior to kachori.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.3.16-17 -- Gorakhpur, February 10, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.3.16-17 -- Gorakhpur, February 10, 1971]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (1): The Viṣṇudūtas, they had spiritual bodies, spiritual forms. Are they traveling through all the planets or only where there are devotees?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All the planets. Everywhere there are devotees. You are thinking that only in America there are devotees? (laughter)</p>
<p>Devotee (1): No, I'm speaking particularly of the four-armed form described as... Particularly of those.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Viṣṇudūtas are looking exactly like Viṣṇu.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, don't the living entities on Brahmaloka have bodies like Lord Brahmā?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not exactly. Brahmā is four-handed.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, they don't have...</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: Prabhupāda, you said that when a person changes original spiritual form, just like the Viṣṇudūtas, they have their four-handed form. Does that mean that they will never rise up to the state of associating with Kṛṣṇa in two-handed form? What does it mean, "original form"?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Original form, two-handed.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: Two-handed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: So that four-handed form is not complete perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. There is perfection everywhere in the spiritual world, but it is a question of variety, taste. When you take rasagullā, don't take kachori, that does not mean kachori is not perfect. It is a question of taste. Somebody likes kachori, somebody likes rasagullā. Not that kachori is inferior to rasagullā; rasagullā is inferior to kachori.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: So that means if someone is situated in that svarūpa...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything is svarūpa. Everything is svarūpa.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: Suppose someone is situated as Viṣṇudūta. He may change his taste.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why he shall change it?</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: He may get a taste for associating with Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The change is taking place in this material world. There all tastes are fixed up, rasa, eternal, eternal rasa. Every one of us has a different taste of associating with Kṛṣṇa, and that will be realized when one is liberated.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: So that's fixed already.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. When you are liberated, you will understand in which way you are related with Kṛṣṇa. That is called svarūpa-siddhi. But that is attained when you are actually perfect in devotional service. Just like in our family, we enjoy different rasas. We have got one kind of relationship with wife, one kind of relationship with sons and daughters, one kind of relation with friends, one kind of relationship with servants, one kind of relationship with property. So similarly, Kṛṣṇa... The whole creation is His family, and He has got relationship in that way. So why the son will change his relationship into husband and wife?</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: I see.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Because every relationship is very palatable. The gentleman, the head of the family, his relationship with wife and his relationship with servant is as much palatable. Maybe some degradation, but it is palatable. There is no question of changing. Not that "I am tasting this rasa at the present moment. Then I will get better rasas." No, that is not. Everyone thinks, "My rasa is the best." Although there is comparative gradation, but everyone thinks. These things are explained in Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Why don't you see?</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: And Nectar of Devotion.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone thinks, "My relationship with Kṛṣṇa is the best."</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: So it's not a matter of aspiring to some...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, there is no question of aspiring, because he is already situated in the best of relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Even the trees in Vṛndāvana, they want to serve Kṛṣṇa silently in that way, supplying fruits and flowers. That is their ānanda, everyone enjoying the supreme bliss. When Kṛṣṇa comes, takes a flower or fruit, that is their enjoyment: "Oh..."</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: When Kṛṣṇa doesn't come, then they are feeling separation?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, certainly. That is another bliss, to feel separation from Kṛṣṇa. Everything, either you meet or you separate, the bliss is there. Crying for Kṛṣṇa is better bliss. So as there are Yamadūtas—they are arresting all the sinful persons—similarly, Viṣṇudūtas, they are always protecting the devotees. Nārāyaṇa-paraḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati ([[Vanisource:SB 6.17.28|SB 6.17.28]]). Therefore those who are devotees, they are not afraid of anything because they know confidently that "Kṛṣṇa is there." That is one of the items of śaraṇāgati. Surrender means when... Unless one is convinced that "Kṛṣṇa will give me protection," so how he can surrender? There is no question of surrender. Avaśya rakṣibe kṛṣṇa vivaśa-pālana. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has said to be firmly convinced: "Then Kṛṣṇa will give me all protection." Therefore surrender is perfect. Ānukūlyasya saṅkalpaḥ prātikūlyaṁ vivarjanam. Surrender means one should simply accept favorable service to Kṛṣṇa and reject anything which is unfavorable, and then next is avaśya rakṣibe kṛṣṇa viśvasa-pālana: "And to be firmly convinced that 'Kṛṣṇa will give me all protection.' " Therefore, instead of "trying to protect myself," a devotee should always remain dependent on Kṛṣṇa. That is śaraṇāgati.</p>
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