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<div id="Philosophy_Discussions" class="sub_section" sec_index="13" parent="Lectures" text="Philosophy Discussions"><h3>Philosophy Discussions</h3>
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<div class="heading">The evidence is the authority, Vedic literature.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Charles Darwin|Philosophy Discussion on Charles Darwin]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: Still, you say if there were high forms of, say Brahmā, in Brahmā's time or millions of years ago, there were also other high animals besides men?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All I say is that all kinds of different classes of forms were existing, since the creation.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: On this planet there were higher forms?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why are you taking this planet? We are talking of the whole creation. In the creation everything is there.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: If you expect me to understand this, I have to see it on this planet.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is not knowledge.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Possibly there were and possibly there weren't.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: You tell me that Rāma and some other higher creatures lived on this planet so many millions of years ago, so I can expect some day to find evidence of that?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The evidence is the authority, Vedic literature.</p>
<p>Karandhara: What other authority will you accept? If you dig up a bone and make a test with your own senses and accept that as an  authority...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Bone authority. So you will be satisfied with your own authority. We have got our different... If you don't accept my authority, then I don't accept your authority.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: It would just seem if there were bones surviving for millions of years, why not cities, why not chariots, why not...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. During Rāmacandra's time there were chariots. Everything was there.</p>
<p>Karandhara: They have found pieces of chariots and pieces of cities.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Not millions of years ago.</p>
<p>Karandhara: How do they know it's not millions of years ago? What is their test for proving?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That millions, that is also bogus. You see? In the human history there is no history more than three thousand years. They are talking of millions of years. Why?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: You are a scientist. What other ways do they date geological findings? How do they date them?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Now it is Carbon 14 is the most reliable technique.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Before they discovered that, how did they do it? They knew the Pleistocene, the Iocene, all these different ages. How did they date them?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: I do know how....</p>
<p>Karandhara: They all remain their own postulation according to their own sense impressions, and because the initial format is imperfect, the conclusion has to be imperfect. So knowledge always remains fallible and mutable, whatever basis they put it on. It is what they have derived out of their own sense impressions, imperfect.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Yes, admitted, but I say that...</p>
<p>Karandhara: So dealing on a whole range of imperfection and deduction...</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Anyone can argue on that level and say anything, but what I want to know are the facts.</p>
<p>Karandhara: The facts are there, but you can accept the facts as Darwin presents them or as the Vedas present them or as anyone presents them.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: These are all controlled by the force of nature. For example, we do not find evidence, scientific evidence, so-called they've got from eight hundred thousand years ago. That does not mean anything. It is all subject to the course of nature. So maybe it just changed with the earth turning. (indistinct) That does not mean that it did not exist.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: If I'm a Darwinist; I'm still not convinced. Because you still haven't proven to me that the layers of earth that are far, far below are not millions of years old. You say that they may be newly formed, but...</p>
<p>Karandhara: They haven't proven that they are millions of years old.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Well, I'm not a geologist...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: My charge is that you cannot give history of human society more than three thousand years; how you speak of millions of years? That is my charge.</p>
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