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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes, with these eyes. Simply you have to purify. Just like Lalaji, now he is known here. We can see. But he goes in the streets, nobody knows him. So you mis..., might have seen Lalaji; he cannot see. Is it not? Tell me this? One who does not know Lalaji, Lalaji on the street, then even Lalaji meets him he does not see him. Why?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with Reporters -- November 10, 1971, New Delhi|Interview with Reporters -- November 10, 1971, New Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Reporter: We have heard...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. You have not heard Kṛṣṇa's name? Then why you are not Kṛṣṇa conscious?</p>
<p>Reporter: We are conscious of the Kṛṣṇa's existence.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Outside..., out of India they ask us this question, that "In India, how many Kṛṣṇa conscious?" Every Indian is Kṛṣṇa conscious. Every Indian is Kṛṣṇa conscious. But he's trying to forget by artificial means.</p>
<p>Reporter: So you mean by Kṛṣṇa conscious...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: By nature every Indian born is Kṛṣṇa conscious, but at the present moment they are trying to forget Him. That is the problem, going on.</p>
<p>Reporter: What part of Kṛṣṇa? Or just part of His life?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa, there is no part. Kṛṣṇa is absolute.</p>
<p>Reporter: He doesn't have form. For me, and for my child, Kṛṣṇa's here child life is very better.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: For child, and for me or for you, simply try to understand that there is a person Kṛṣṇa. That's all.</p>
<p>Reporter: So, sir, are we rightly understanding that by "Kṛṣṇa" you mean some eternal principle, not as...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not principle. A person, like you, like me.</p>
<p>Reporter: A person?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just so you are talking with me, I am talking with you, you are person, I am person, similarly Kṛṣṇa is a person.</p>
<p>Reporter: Person in the ordinary sense of the word, or...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. He is Supreme Person.</p>
<p>Reporter: Supreme?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like we are sitting here in Delhi City. Now here is Lalaji. He is supreme personality, mayor. (laughter)</p>
<p>Reporter: So we, we can see and feel and touch Him and be something also like...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. I am taking for example India, the president is the supreme personality. The president is the supreme personality. You have to admit it. You may accept him or not, but officially you have to admit. So in this whole creation, cosmic manifestation, there must be some Supreme Personality. That is Kṛṣṇa. That is confirmed by Kṛṣṇa and the Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid as ti dhanañjaya: ([[Vanisource:BG 7.7|BG 7.7]]) "There is no superior personality than Me." And we accept it. There is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness: "Oh, Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Person." So our knowledge is very easy. We don't make any research. Here is Kṛṣṇa says that He is the Supreme Personality—we accept it. That's all. It is very simple.</p>
<p>Reporter: Can we see Him, just as we see Lalaji?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And why not? Why not?</p>
<p>Reporter: But with these eyes or the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, with these eyes. Simply you have to purify. Just like Lalaji, now he is known here. We can see. But he goes in the streets, nobody knows him. So you mis..., might have seen Lalaji; he cannot see. Is it not? Tell me this? One who does not know Lalaji, Lalaji on the street, then even Lalaji meets him he does not see him. Why?</p>
<p>Reporter: Question of eyes and knowing, sir.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Then he has to make prepare his eyes to see Lalaji.</p>
<p>Reporter: So, sir, how do we prepare eyes to see?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is, that is the question.</p>
<p>Reporter: (indistinct) (laughter) He said it's easy. I said, well, I know what is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. It is easy. It is easy. Suppose I say, you say that "I have never seen Lalaji," and if I say, "Here is Lalaji. Why don't you see?" and if he accepts, that is... That's all right. What is the difficulty? If you say, "No, I cannot believe you. I don't think that he is Lalaji. Lalaji, why he is walking on the street? He must be in a big, nice car." But if you put all this argument, then it is very difficult for you. But if you believe me that "Here is Lalaji," then the matter is very simple.</p>
<p>Reporter: The question is faith versus the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not faith. It is not Lala... When I speak "Here is Lalaji," it is not faith. It is fact.</p>
<p>Reporter: I guess because you have...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But you don't believe me.</p>
<p>Reporter: Because you have personally witnessed, you see, sir.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all. It is not faith.</p>
<p>Reporter: Oh, yes, sir. You are (indistinct).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If you believe me, then it is all right. If you don't believe me, that is different.</p>
<p>Reporter: Then, sir, if everybody (indistinct) and that comment, "Believe me," that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Why do I say...? You have to, you have to see whether, whether this person is worthy of believing. (laughter)</p>
<p>Reporter: Whether the guru is right.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore guru, guru cannot be any ordinary man.</p>
<p>Reporter: That's right.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That guru cannot be. That guru's designation is there in the Vedas, that tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam ([[Vanisource:SB 11.3.21|SB 11.3.21]]). Anyone who is inquisitive for understanding... Suppose if you are inquisitive to understand really what is Lalaji, then you must approach to a person who knows Lalaji. Then you will understand Lalaji. And if you approach somebody who does not know Lalaji, then he may give you misinformation. So guru is that who knows Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise you will not be able to understand what is Kṛṣṇa. That Kṛṣṇa also very easily you can find out. Take what Kṛṣṇa says. Kṛṣṇa teaches Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna directly. Now if you believe Arjuna, then you understand Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa taught Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna, and why Arjuna was taught, that is also said by Kṛṣṇa, that bhakto 'si priyo 'si: ([[Vanisource:BG 4.3|BG 4.3]]) "Because you are My devotee." Kṛṣṇa did not go to teach Bhagavad-gītā to a Vedantist. He went to teach to Arjuna. He was a family man, he was a soldier, but why he was selected? He, Kṛṣṇa said, bhakto 'si. So if you approach a Kṛṣṇa bhakta like Arjuna, then you will understand Kṛṣṇa; otherwise you will not. They are understanding Kṛṣṇa through me, not before me. But if they or some of them, "something," some of them "something," they may be very big scholar, but they did not know what is Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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