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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1974]]
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes, yes. They should go... Varṇāśrama college means for grown-up students. College means for grown-up students.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk 'Varnasrama College' -- March 14, 1974, Vrndavana|Morning Walk 'Varnasrama College' -- March 14, 1974, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hṛdayānanda: So, for example, if I become a teacher at varṇāśrama, say, the first teacher at the varṇāśrama college, then I have to also become expert at how to fight, how to...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not all of you, but some of you must be, must learn the art of fighting also. But in a practical you are not going to fight. If required, you can fight. I say that we are above all these varṇāśrama, but we must train others or ourself also for material activities, everything, under these divisions.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: For example, in New Vrindaban we have brāhmaṇas that are very expert at tilling the soil and taking care of cows.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: And they could travel around and teach others how to do that as well.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That's right. He is brāhmaṇa, but he's teaching how to take care of the cows and ploughing.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: It's not that one teacher has to teach everything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Oh, I see. So a brāhmaṇa teacher should become expert in a particular subject and then teach that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Oh. It's very exciting, Prabhupāda, because all the, at the present time in the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, the thing is that actually, at the present moment, they are śūdras or less than śūdras. They are not human beings. The whole population of the world. It doesn't matter whether it is western or eastern. That is the position. So unless they are trained up, so the society's already in chaos, and it will go on still more in chaos, chaos. It will be hell. How people will live? And these rascals are being elected as government men, and they're only making budget how to tax. So one side, there is no rain; one side, there is no rice, especially in India; and one side, heavy tax. So they'll be all confused. They have already become confused. So in the confusion state it will be very difficult to make them Kṛṣṇa conscious. Therefore preliminary help should be given.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Preliminary.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That they should not be in chaos and confusion. Otherwise, how the brain will work?</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Yes. No one can give rapt attention without peace of mind.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Our main aim is how to give them Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But if they are already disturbed in every respect, then how they'll take it? Therefore we are taking these subjects, to help him to come to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And this is the method-varṇāśrama.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: So just to clarify, Prabhupāda, I want to make sure I have it very clear, that if someone comes to our varṇāśrama college, even though this may be preliminary help, in general—you've made some exceptions—but in general, when they come to our college, they have to follow the four regulative principles, also learn something about Bhagavad-gītā and then, side by side, they learn a...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Four regulative principles compulsory.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But if some of the kṣatriya or the śūdras, they want, so that is our prescription: "Go to the forest and kill some animal and eat that." That's all. You can kill one boar. Some disturbing elements, you can kill. You can kill some tiger. Like that. Learn to kill. No nonviolence. Learn to kill. Here also, as soon as you'll find, the kṣatriya, a thief, a rogue, unwanted element in the society, kill him. That's all. Finish. Kill him. Bās. Finished. So other will see, "Oh, the ruler is very strong." And others will... One killing will be lesson for many hundreds and thousands. No mercy. "Kill him." That's all. That was the system. In Kashmir about hundred years ago. If somebody has stolen, cut his hand. Bās. He cannot steal any more. So one cutting hand means finish. In that part of the world, no more stealing.</p>
<p>Yaduvara: How would the kṣatriyas kill the animals?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Yaduvara: How would they kill? With guns or bow and arrow?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That, as it is suitable. It is not that because the kṣatriyas were killing by bows and arrows formerly, you have to continue that. That is another foolishness. If you have got... If you can kill easily by guns, take that gun. Just like formerly, parivrāja, Caitanya Mahāprabhu walked on the street. There was no aeroplane or... Or he did not use it. Does it mean that I shall have to follow that? I must take the jet engine. If it is available. If somebody criticizes, "Oh, Caitanya Mahāprabhu walked on leg and you are travelling in the jet plane?" Shall I have to take that ideal? These are rascaldom. When you have to work, you have to work with the greatest facility. That's all. Now I have got the facility of the talking in microphone, and... So why should I not take it? It will be recorded. It will be heard by so many others. I am speaking to four, five men. It can be heard by a big crowd of four hundred men.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: So we should perpetuate this technical skill of...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. We are not going to... But if somebody's interested doing, so we take it, make the best use of it.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Oh, I see.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just like we do not want money. But they are having money by so many ways. So we take their money and construct a temple. We can sit down here and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. We don't require that temple. But these rascals are accumulating money for wine and women. Take their money, some way or other, and builds a temple. And invite them, "Come and see." Give them prasādam. This is our policy. We are not constructing big, big buildings and temples for our convenience. For their convenience. This is sannyāsī.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: So there should always be programs in the temples for their welfare, not...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: ...that we live there and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. But we are taking it, "Now we have got very nice house, room. Let us sleep and eat."</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Then there'll be wide criticism.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is... This is not good.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Prabhupāda...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You should remain always sannyāsī within. Outwardly, for others' convenience, you may do something. Similarly, we are accepting this varṇāśrama. We are not varṇāśrama; we are above varṇāśrama. But to give others facility to come to the stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this program must be done.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Prabhupāda, generally in colleges in the West, they charge some fee for going to the college. What is our position?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, we don't charge any fee. There is no question of money. Because the brāhmaṇas, they'll teach free. They require money because they have to give fat salary to these rascals. But we haven't got to. And even we have to feed them, we produce our own grain. So where is the question of taking money? So therefore it is required, somebody must produce food. Then there is no necessity of money.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: The vaiśya students will produce the food.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: Should our children who are at gurukula, when they grow up, should they go to that varṇāśrama college, or...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. They should go.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: We'll start it right away.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Varṇāśrama college means for grown-up students. College means for grown-up students.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Is there a minimum age for beginning such a college?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Ten to twelve years.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: They can start at ten to twelve?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. From five to ten years, gurukula. And after ten years, they should go to the varṇāśrama college.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: New Vrindaban would be an ideal place in America for such a school.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Organize that.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall go.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: This Mahārāja is also going to New Vrindaban.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: He can...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Do that. Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, you, and combined together, do that.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We have got so many duties to do. Don't waste time, a single moment. And don't eat more and don't sleep more. Then you'll be able to work.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: And this is the most auspicious work for now, is this remedial measure of...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: This is the most auspicious work for now, is this remedial measure to stop the chaos in the world?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: That's most auspicious.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Most auspicious. Because if the people are in chaos, how they'll be able to accept the great philosophy? It requires cool brain.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: For example, in my program...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Budhaḥ. Budhaḥ. Eh? Yes?</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: My program now is I have ten brahmacārīs in buses, and everything and we're distributing books. But if the people are in chaos, how they will be able to accept the knowledge in the books?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, not all of them are in chaos. There are some of them. Some of them. Not that all of them. Hare Kṛṣṇa (break) ...in separate department.</p>
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