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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1974]]
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">That is explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. Guru is accepted as good as God. Haritvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. Saba-śāstra.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 24, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- March 24, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...Vivekananda has done: daridra-nārāyaṇa. Here is "Swami Nārāyaṇa."</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is different also. You don't put up two together.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Same thing. Another...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Don't get excited or it will be...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. I'm not getting excited. You are getting.</p>
<p>Guest (1): You also don't get excited.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: I am not getting excited, but it's not that. I will really bring you the real...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. I am asking what is the difference between this daridra-nārāyaṇa and Swami Nārāyaṇa? That I am asking.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: See, he actually went to Badrinath. When we call Nārāyaṇa, Nārāyaṇa, as our Lord, how is it Māyāvāda? How it comes into Māyāvādī?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. Guru is accepted as good as God. Haritvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. Saba-śāstra.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: In all śāstras.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktaḥ **, it is said. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ **. And this principle is accepted by great saintly persons. Kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya. He's not one with the Prabhu, but he's very dear servant of Prabhu.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is right.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That conception is Vaiṣṇavism. And as soon as you simply say that "He is God," that is Māyāvāda.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yes but we are not... But he has wrongly...</p>
<p>Guest (1): No, Swami Nārāyaṇa, what I told you the principle of Swami Nārāyaṇa is that...</p>
<p>Guest (2): Swami Nārāyaṇa...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: You have no right to speak.</p>
<p>Guest (1): No, no. What I understand about this...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: There are three schools of Vaiṣṇavism. But that... In that school, the preaching and everything in the worship is the same, more or less.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) The thing is... This is the conclusion, that guru may be worshiped as Kṛṣṇa, but the worshiper knows that "I am worshiping my guru not because he has become Kṛṣṇa, but he is the most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa." That is Vaiṣṇava.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: All the Vaiṣṇavas, what he has said. Every time he has said the same thing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is the difference between Vaiṣṇava school and Māyāvādī school. Advaita-vāda and dvaita-vāda. They become very strong, at the same time, remain servant.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: These śuddhādvaita-vādīs, their upper garment and lower garment the same as... (break) ...you call Māyāvādīs, they say that this is all humbug and nothing and nonexistence. They... (break) ...both are one and both are right and both are existent and both are... There is no illusion, as you say. The same thing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Simultaneously one and different.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is a little (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So unless you accept this difference, then it is Māyāvāda. Simply oneness is Māyāvāda.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That's right. You may... You accept one and the same, separate both or another explana..., another, only Kṛṣṇa knows and nobody knows.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. No, why Kṛṣṇa knows? One who is Kṛṣṇa's devotee, he knows also.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: All are Vaiṣṇava devotees, aren't they?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. This is Māyāvāda. Not all of.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Ācchā. Vallabhācārya's devotees, Vaiṣṇavas are not...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Vallabhācārya is a sampradāya.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: But are they not Vaiṣṇavas?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is a sampradāya. Viṣṇu Svāmī-sampradāya. That is accepted. That is accepted.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Rāmānujācārya's Vaiṣṇava was not Vaiṣṇava?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Then why do you say so? They are all Vaiṣṇavas but...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But Rāmānujācārya does not say that the devotee is God.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Nobody says so.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. (break) ...oneness with diversity. Yes. That is viśiṣṭādvaita philosophy. And nirviśeṣa. Nirviśiṣṭa-advaitavādī sāṅkhya philosophy. Nirviśiṣṭa.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Nirviśiṣṭa means?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Vallabhācārya.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Nirviśiṣṭa means... No, Vallabhācārya... śuddhādvaita. Śuddhādvaita. That is called kevalādvaita. Kevalādvaita. (break) Kṛṣṇa is ādi. Viṣṇu is in the material world, He's accepted as one of the devas. Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. So Kṛṣṇa says, aham ādir hi devānām (Bg 10.2).</p>
<p>Guest (1): So Kṛṣṇa is ādi of Viṣṇu...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Viṣṇu also.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Mahā-Viṣṇu.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. No Mahā-Viṣṇu is ādi. Mahā-Viṣṇu is kalā-viśeṣa, partial exhibition of Kṛṣṇa. That is said in the Brahma-saṁhitā. Yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya jīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ, viṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśesaḥ (Bs. 5.48). This Mahā-Viṣṇu, from whose breathing innumerable universes are coming, that Mahā-Viṣṇu is kalā-viśeṣa. </p>
:yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya
:jīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ
:viṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśeṣo
:govindam ādi-puruṣam tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
:(Bs. 5.48)
<p>Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) From Lord Brahmā. Brahmā.</p>
<p>Devotee: That was found by Lord Caitanya, Prabhupāda? The Brahma-saṁhitā?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Some of the manuscripts were found in South India and He brought it and He delivered, that "This is authoritative."</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact, the Vaiṣṇavism started from South India.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Even Śaṅkara was also South India.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Cult of Vaiṣṇavism started from South India.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All the ācāryas, they came from South India.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They are more religious.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Vallabhācārya also South India.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Vallabhācārya is from North, no?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: South India. (break)</p>
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