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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div class="heading">No. Because the living entity is there for the formation of his body, so many things are going on, action and reaction of the matter. That's all. That is depending on his desires. It is so subtle thing. He is desiring, and action, reaction is going on. And as soon as the living entity is not there, these action and reaction will stop. So they are trying to find out the missing thing. That missing thing is the living entity. That they do not know, foolishly.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta|Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Satsvarūpa: "The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's it. He has found out the original source. There is no conference needed.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: This other question. During the day of Brahmā at the end of every Manu there's a partial devastation of the planets up to earth and celestial, right? Now, at that time there's like a flood, and the animals that are in their particular stage of transmigration of the living entities, their bodies are all killed. Now, at that time, when the end of that period is over, how are the bodies manifest? This is a question Richard Prabhu was asking.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no body. They are reserved in the Viṣṇu's body. And again, when there is creation, they come out. And therefore matter comes from the spirit. Matter is there, creation, matter. So take advantage of the matter. Just like the cloth is there. You cut it according (to) your body, and there is a coat. The spiritual body is already there. Now the matter is there. Now, from matter, you take. You make your body like a dog, like a ant, like a fish, like a tree, like this.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: So all the different species are created again simultaneously.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is... He died with that mentality. It is there. Just like we go to sleep, but all your mental activities are reserved. In the morning again you begin.</p>
<p>Mādhava: Prabhupāda, you say that the living entity, he is thinking about a particular kind of body and a particular activity...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not particular body—particular desire. And according to the desire, Kṛṣṇa is giving him facility through the material machine to give him a particular type of body. Just like one man is thinking of eating anything nonsense. So Kṛṣṇa says that "You give him this body of hog. He can eat even stool." That's all. You want to be naked, nudie? So Kṛṣṇa gives him, "So he is very much anxious to become nudie. Make him a tree. Stand up for five thousand years naked." This is going on.</p>
<p>Mādhava: If I desire...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Whatever you desire.</p>
<p>Mādhava: If I desire something to appear here now...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, you will remain here as insect.</p>
<p>Mādhava: No, if I desire a plate of prasādam to appear here...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then you will go to Vaikuṇṭha. (laughter)</p>
<p>Mādhava: How do I do it by just desiring? How is it done?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: By desire you are creating everything. Why these material varieties? You desire. In the spiritual world also, varieties. You desire. You want to serve Kṛṣṇa as His friend, you want to serve Kṛṣṇa as His lover, you want to serve Kṛṣṇa as His father, as His servant, or you want to serve Kṛṣṇa by supplying fruits and flowers, or river Yamunā. Everything, whatever you like, Kṛṣṇa will give you opportunity, in this material and the spiritual world.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: After complete annihilation and then, when the creation starts again...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no question of annihilation.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: I mean the material universe.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, it is manifest, not manifest. Not annihilation. The energy is there. Just like sometimes I become angry, and sometime I am peaceful. But that means anger is annihilated. Anger is there. It may be manifest at any time. There is no question of annihilation. You say like that because actually it is vyakta, avyakta: manifest and nonmanifest.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: We don't see it, so we say it's not manifest.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So during this time there are still living entities which are not manifested.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Living are already there, but his desires are manifest or nonmanifest.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, the living entities are there, but they stop manifesting the different bodies.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is another thing, that you cannot see him without body. That is your defect. There are so many living entities in the air. You cannot see them. That is your defect. Therefore, Vedānta-śāstra-cakśuṣā: "You should see through the śāstra, not with your so-called eyes."</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: Śarīram puruṣo veda.(?)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Knowledge is through śāstra, authority, not by our senses. That is not knowledge.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So that explains the... Sometimes some scientists ask that "You are very sure, so sure about the 8,400,000 species."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hmm?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: They ask, "How are you so much sure about 8,400,000 species?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because we have heard from authority. As you are asking assurance from me, so I give you the knowledge from where I have heard. You want to hear from me. I have heard from authority. That's all. What is the difficulty? Why you are asking me? You want to hear from me. So I have also heard from authority. This is the statement. You take it.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So when... They say that there are some plants that can grow from just branches... We stick the branch in the soil. Then it just grows to another plant.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The same thing. The living entity is there, but he is manifested in such a way. The same explanation. Just like there are many living entities within my body, and when this body is stopped, decomposed, they come out in different forms.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Are these living entities constant? They don't change any.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, nitya, nitya. Nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre ([[Vanisource:BG 2.20|BG 2.20]]). Why don't you see these references? It is never created. It is ever-existing, eternal. Only it appears to be temporary on account of accepting different material bodies. Therefore, paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 5.18|BG 5.18]]). One who knows, he knows that he has changed his body, the same person. Just like father, mother knows. When a son becomes very stout and strong, the mother sees that same child. Others may be bewildered. One who has seen the child very long ago, now he has become robust build. He cannot say. And the mother says, "He is my child, that child." So paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 5.18|BG 5.18]]).</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: "For the soul there is never birth nor death, nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all. So where is the question of creation? But because we have got these material eyes, we want to see everything through this material manifestation. We are seeing that he is dead, he is alive, he is born, he is this, that...</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But that is the defect of the scientists. They only see the body.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is their defect. Therefore asses, go-kharaḥ. That is defined. Anyone who takes the body as the self, he is a go-kharaḥ, animal. And that is our protest, that "You are animal; you are passing as very learned scholar, scientist." That we want to protest. We want to expose them, that they are cheating people. They have no perfect knowledge; still, they are passing as scientist and big men and... That is our protest.</p>
<p>Mādhava: Can we say that the living entity is there, and that he is the one that makes the molecules and the atoms come together to form a body just like the scientists give explanation? No? We can't?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Because the living entity is there for the formation of his body, so many things are going on, action and reaction of the matter. That's all. That is depending on his desires. It is so subtle thing. He is desiring, and action, reaction is going on. And as soon as the living entity is not there, these action and reaction will stop. So they are trying to find out the missing thing. That missing thing is the living entity. That they do not know, foolishly. Just like a motorcar is running very nicely, and as soon as the driver goes away it stops. The machine is there, the everything is there, but this rascal mechanic, he comes, "Something is missing." And why something missing? But he does not know the missing part is the driver. He is finding out in the motorcar what is missing. The motorcar, everything is there. The hand is there, leg is there, heart is there, the intestines are there, everything is there. So they cannot explain. They say, "Now the blood has become white." Then make it red. Where is the difficulty? So they do not know what is missing; neither he'll take, I mean to say, learned instruction. That is their defect. Real thing is the driver is missing, but that they will not accept. They are so foolish, they are thinking that motorcar is running automatically.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: Like a child.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Like a child, yes. As the child will say, "Oh, motorcar is going on."</p>
<p>Sadāpūta: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would it be possible for them to make a body and have a living entity enter into it?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, there is yogic principle. They can enter into a young body and act as young man.</p>
<p>Sadāpūta: So a scientist then could claim he created life. He could... The way they talk, if he made a cell...</p>
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