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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div class="heading">Beginning Kṛṣṇa... No, no, beginning, Kṛṣṇa. Why don't you read Bhagavad-gītā? You do not know?... What is the social arrangement? What is that?... Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be in order. But you are not taking Kṛṣṇa's advice. You are manufacturing your hellish ideas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg|Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, the 1975 Nobel Peace Award was awarded to a leading scientist who helped the nuclear weapon, who created the H-bomb. Just recently it was awarded to him.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Peace prize? (laughing)</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Yes. Nobel Peace Prize in Russia, Oslo.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, you are giving the real peace formula.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Unless they stop their sinful life, they have to suffer.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I am not giving. Kṛṣṇa is giving. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasam sarva-loka-maheśvaram, suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām ([[Vanisource:BG 5.29|BG 5.29]]). There is... (break) ...formula, if you want to make peaceful the dog society, is it possible?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So similarly, they are keeping men as dogs, and they want peace. How it is possible? They are educating general mass of people like cats and dogs, and they want peace. How it is possible? Make them first of all sober men. Then there is question of peace. (break) ...God consciousness, there is no question of peace. (break) If we know that the Supreme Lord, God, is our father, and He has..., everything belongs to Him, His property; therefore, instead of fighting, let us enjoy father's property peacefully. Then there will be peace. We are peacefully walking in this park because we know that it is commonwealth; it is government's property. I can walk, and the dog can also walk. Then there will be peace. And if I think, "No, it is my property," and you think your property, then there will be fight between you and me. So where is peace? Why you claim South Africa as your property? You are foreigner. You want peace. You are expert in keeping them subdued, the Africans. Otherwise, lawfully, it is African property. Why you have taken? Either you make it God's property, otherwise make it African property. You have no right to come here. If you say God's property, then everyone has got equal right. So they do not know what is the meaning of peace.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: If nothing is our property—in fact, everything is Kṛṣṇa's property—why is there this desire to possess so many things?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Possess, you can possess. Tena tyaktena bhuñjithā ([[Vanisource:ISO 1|ISO 1]]). The real proposal is that everything belongs to God. Then God's representative, king, he gives you land. But you require for ten men's foodstuff. You calculate the ten men's foodstuff, for producing, you require so much land, so the king gives you land. You work and grow your food. And because it is God's property, you give some tax. Whatever you produce, twenty-five percent give to God or king, and balance, you enjoy. If there is no production—no tax. This is peaceful life. You work. You take land, God's land. You cannot... Why you have occupied so much land? Others, they are not allowed to enter; where there is overpopulation? How you can expect peace? Just like in China and India and other places they're overpopulation. Why don't you allow them, that "In Africa there is no sufficient population. Please come and toil and grow your food and live peacefully"? Where is that formula? Rascals, they are wanting peace. All rascal, rogues. And why they have become rascal, rogues? For want of God consciousness. They do not know that it is God's property, falsely thinking, "My property." And today I am thinking, "My property," and next day I become a dog on the same property. Hm? This dog loitering, who can say he was not formerly a Mr. Smuts? Who can say? Maybe he was Smuts; now he is dog. How can you take him? This is nature's process. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13|BG 2.13]]). After death you'll have to accept another body. Now who can guarantee that General Smuts did not accept a dog's body? Who can guarantee? Where is the science? You think that he is dead and gone, but Kṛṣṇa does not say like that. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ. Now what kind of body he has got? Where is the scientist to ascertain that "Mr., General Smuts has got now this body. He is living here"? Where is the science? You simply see like a fool and rascal, "My father is gone." Where your father gone? Where did he live so long? Why did you not see him? Where is the science? He is simply crying like a child, "My father is gone." Where he has gone? Find him out. And what he was? Why did you not see so long? This is their knowledge.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: It seems unless there is some monarch who is ruling over the whole world, one personality...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, not... Yes, whole world. He must be rājarṣi, just like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, representative of Kṛṣṇa. He can divide to small kings, "Now you look after such tract of land," and he divides. In this way there will be peace. No tax. If you are unable to produce anything, then no tax. Why should you levy tax from the poor man?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: What about those people who don't want to work? They are lazy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: What about lazy people?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Let them become śūdra. Let them become servant. After all, unless he works, he cannot get his food. So let him become servant. He has to work to get food. No property. He should not be given any property. If you work, you can get food. Just like animal.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: How in the beginning is it decided that somebody is working and he should be given or not given?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: How in the beginning... Let's say you have a king...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Beginning Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: No, no. Let's say you have a king, and he is deciding this person is worthy of...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, beginning, Kṛṣṇa. Why don't you read Bhagavad-gītā? You do not know?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: No, no. Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the social arrangement? What is that?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: That Kṛṣṇa created the four orders.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be in order. But you are not taking Kṛṣṇa's advice. You are manufacturing your hellish ideas.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: No, I was just wondering how one would be able to see who was acting in a certain way unless they were first engaged in something. They have to be doing some activity...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: ...so you can see what kind of quality they have.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Take "everyone is rascal," then train them. That is wanted. Take everyone as rascal. There is no question that "Here is intelligent man, here is rascal, here is the..." No. First of all take them all rascals, and then train them. That is wanted. That is wanted now. At the present moment the whole world is full of rascals. Now, if they take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, select amongst them. Just like I am training. You are brāhmaṇa by training. So one who is prepared to be trained as brāhmaṇa, classify him in the brāhmaṇa. One is trained up as kṣatriya, classify him. In this way, cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣ...</p>
<p>Harikeśa: And that kṣatriya would engage everyone basically as śūdra and then pick from them.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: He would initially pick...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no. You pick up... You take the whole mass of people as śūdra. Then...</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Pick out.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Pick out. And rest, who is neither brāhmaṇa nor kṣatriya nor vaiśya, then he is śūdra. That's all, very easy thing. If he cannot be trained up as engineer, then he remains as a common man. There is no force. This is the way of organizing society. There is no force. Śūdra is also required.</p>
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