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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes. Everyone commits mistake. Anyone who is conditioned, he must commit mistake. This is our position, that anyone who is not liberated, he must commit mistake. We take knowledge from liberated soul, not from the speculators. That is the difference.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (Break)...beyond the sun.</p>
<p>Indian man: Beyond the sun. How would you explain about eclipse which we get?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you ask some astronomer. I am not astronomer. But I understand from Vedic scripture that moon is beyond the sun.</p>
<p>Indian man: 'Cause we have seen that the moon comes between...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, eclipse, it is Rahu. It is Rahu between the sun and, sun and moon. Yes.</p>
<p>Indian man: Between the earth and the sun.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No earth. No, Rahu. Earth is...</p>
<p>Cyavana: What they see is Rahu, not moon. No.</p>
<p>Indian man: At night the planets which give light to this universe...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is moon.</p>
<p>Indian man: Moon.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. They say that every planet gives light. That is not fact.</p>
<p>Indian man: The reflection I think, of the sun...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, there is fire.</p>
<p>Indian man: In the moon too there is fire? But it is cold, as the, our sages say.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is surrounded by cooling atmosphere.</p>
<p>Indian man: It rotates?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: In a different way, not as they explain.</p>
<p>Indian man: They rotate.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just like my hands is moving... (break) ...like that.</p>
<p>Indian man: And it does not go all around other planets?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They all move together?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They move together?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The pivot is the polestar. Fixing, the pole-star, they are moving like this. And there is sun's movement. So we shall go once again?</p>
<p>Cyavana: Yes. We can go back.</p>
<p>Indian man: (break)...friend, and I told him that you said these things. So he asked me the question about the eclipse. So I would like to know to explain to him about it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The eclipse is... When the Rahu comes between sun and moon, there is eclipse.</p>
<p>Indian man: It does not eclipse the moon. But why people say that it's the moon that covers the sun? Because they don't know it's...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They are misinformed.</p>
<p>Indian man: They suppose?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not the fact.</p>
<p>Indian man: Astronomers too say that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is up to the man to believe or not believe, but we have got authorities, different; they have got authorities, different. So if we follow our authorities, then we have to accept according to that.</p>
<p>Indian man: We get in a dilemma, we people who do not know more than they explain about.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no dilemma, because our literature is there from millions and millions of years, and they have their knowledge within two, three hundred years. Now it is up to us whom to believe.</p>
<p>Indian man: You want to say that the astronomers are the mistaken. The astronomers have been mistaken to say all these things?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone commits mistake. Anyone who is conditioned, he must commit mistake. This is our position, that anyone who is not liberated, he must commit mistake. We take knowledge from liberated soul, not from the speculators. That is the difference.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They prove their inadequacy by changing their theories every twenty years.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They've proved that their brains are weak.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, they have no brain. If it is going to change, then what is their brain? (break) Still, there are so many big, big Vedic astronomers. They never change.</p>
<p>Cyavana: The astronomers.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. They follow the old principles.</p>
<p>Cyavana: Your Guru Mahārāja, he was an astronomer?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Cyavana: (break) ...some astronomers who have the correct understanding?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Many.</p>
<p>Cyavana: There are some still. They understand correct.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The Indian astronomer, they correctly say, "This time, this moment, there will be eclipse." How do they say?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: On the basis of Rahu.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Cyavana: No, he said they correctly know.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now recently some European astronomers, they said comet is coming, but he did not come. Just see. But no Indian astronomer said that comet is coming, no Indian astronomer. So he became a fool. So much arrangement was made: "Comet is coming." Nobody came. And in our childhood we saw one comet, and Indian astrologers, they very particularly said, "It will begin from this corner. It will rise like this," in this... Exactly it was done. The comet came, and as it is stated, "From this corner it will come," it happened so, everything correct. (break) ...comet did not come, what people said to this astronomer? Nothing?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Nobody knows if it came or not.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it was advertised.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Just like they were selling land on the moon.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just see. (laughter) He was telling me. Selling ticket. And if I say, "They are cheater, bluffer," they become angry. Just see. Actually they cheated and bluffed so many men. Now they say it is inhabitable. Why they sold ticket for going there? So many living entities there are, living within the sand, and they say there is no living entity. How they are eating? How they are sleeping? A small...</p>
<p>Cyavana: Millions of them. (break)</p>
<p>Indian man: ...airless, Swāmijī. Therefore we can't have the life there. They have proved that it is airless, waterless and so on.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How do you say there is no life? You see in the sand there are so many lives. So there, if it is desert, there are so many lives.</p>
<p>Indian man: In the Sahara desert we can have life there, Swamijī?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They say, but we see practically there are lives. Why shall I believe them? Here I see so many lives are there within the sand. So why shall I believe you when you say that nobody can live there because it is sand or dust. I see practically.</p>
<p>Indian man: Here we have air and water.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There also there is everything. Therefore I say they did not go there.</p>
<p>Indian man: In the moon it may be. But where they went, there. There could have not been there. They say there no life there. It may be in Rahuloka, as you have said that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, there is life in Rahu.</p>
<p>Cyavana: In the ocean they have air? In the ocean is there air? What is the chemical combination of water?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You cannot live within the water. Why do you think that others cannot live?</p>
<p>Indian man: No, no, I don't mean... Please, Swamijī... I want to say that they have said there is no air and water there.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Where is water within the water? Where the air?</p>
<p>Indian man: Not as you call because...</p>
<p>Cyavana: How do they live, then?</p>
<p>Indian man: Live where?</p>
<p>Cyavana: How do they live, then? The same example.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How they live? So this is all misconception.</p>
<p>Indian man: Oh. There should be life there.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They have a different way of getting the air than we do.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Or they may not require air. It is God's creation.</p>
<p>Indian man: And because they have not seen, therefore they say that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Here people take in consideration of his position. That is rascaldom. One should not think... There are varieties of life. And how they're in the sun? There is life. So you cannot conceive that there is life in the sun, but there is life. Otherwise how Kṛṣṇa went there and talked with the president of the sun? The president means he's alone there? President means there is kingdom. They have got body made of fire. Can you imagine there can be body made of fire?</p>
<p>Indian man: If Kṛṣṇa says, then there must be.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. That is our business. But you cannot interpret. They cannot accommodate within their tiny brain what is going on in the creation. They think in their own way. That's it. Now, they say that the water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen. And who supplied so much hydrogen, oxygen?</p>
<p>Indian man: God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So therefore it is, everything, in God's hand. Their difficulty is that they'll not accept God. That is the... Therefore we are very much angry with them. We want to kick on their face. The atheist number one, all these so-called scientists.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: As soon as they were able to create some oxygen and hydrogen in the laboratory, then "Oh, there's no God."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "There is no God." So you bring hydrogen, oxygen; create another ocean. Simply talking nonsense. Now, our challenge is "You just get one egg." Can they? Ask any scientist. Can he make one seed which will bring such a big tree? And where is that science? They're all nonsense.</p>
<p>Indian man: They were trying to...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "Trying." That's it. And therefore they should be kicked on their face. They are trying like foolish man and it will never be successful; therefore they should be kicked. This is our proposition. "Trying," "in future," this is their bluff. We don't accept this. (break) ...one check, million dollars, postdated. Then, if you ask me, "Why you have postdated?" "No, I have no money now. In future it will be deposited." Will you accept that check? This is their bluff.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Well, why not accept it? It might turn out. It might turn out in the future.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So a rascal like you will accept. (laughter) We are not so... (break)</p>
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