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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">No... Yena tena prakārena mana kṛṣṇa niveṣayet. Somehow or other, come to Kṛṣṇa. Kāmād prayat deśāt. Any way come to Kṛṣṇa.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 21, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- November 21, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Jayapataka: (break) Why did Kṛṣṇa have all the demigod worship put in the Vedas?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Jayapataka: They put... Vyāsadeva put all the demigod worship in the Vedas.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: For the karmīs. Kṣipra bhavati... What is that? Kam kanta...</p>
<p>Jayapataka: Karmanaṁ siddhi.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Karmānaṁ siddhi yajanti iha devatā. Who is interested to take bhakti immediately? Nobody is interested.</p>
<p>Jayapataka: They can get their material facilities from Kṛṣṇa also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is recommended. First of all śāstra recommends that if you want this thing you worship this deity, this deity. In this way, at last it is said that you can get anything if you worship Kṛṣṇa. That is said. Akāmaḥ sarvo kāma v mokṣa kāma udara dhī tivreṇa bhakti-yogena. That is for the purpose that if he wants to take advantage, material benefit from Kṛṣṇa, then Kṛṣṇa bhajana will be there, gradually they will forget this material benefit. They will become pure devotee. Just like Dhruva Mahārāja became. Svamin kṛtārtho 'smi vara na yace.</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: One must have certain qualifications to be able to come the service of Kṛṣṇa?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: Even if one is in the complete mode of ignorance he can...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yena tena prakārena mana kṛṣṇa niveṣayet. Somehow or other, come to Kṛṣṇa. Kāmād prayat deśāt. Any way come to Kṛṣṇa. </p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: Then actually that means that it depends upon Kṛṣṇa's devotee rather than Kṛṣṇa, because only by association...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, if he comes to Kṛṣṇa on any account he will become devotee.</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: Right. But he will come to Kṛṣṇa only if he comes in contact with His devotee.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: It appears that we came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness even though we were in a very low stage.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is the process, but if somebody comes to Kṛṣṇa with some material motive, he also becomes... (break) ...civilization and other civilization.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Sir, let us first describe what is civilization.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Let us, I mean, think about what is first civilization.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Civilization means advance from animal life.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is the difference between other civilizations and Vedic civilization.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh? So what is that difference, that I am asking.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: You are advanced from animal life to a higher life, spiritual life. That is Vedic civilization.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is I am asking. Civilization means not animal. Man, human being, must not be animal. This is the basic principle of civilization.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Primary all are animals. They have to advance from animal life to further up. That is the civilization as you say.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that I say. So not to remain animal.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes, not to have status quo.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Still it is going on. The junglis, they are not called civilized. They are as good as animals. In India we say jungli he, jungli. And others say uncivilized. So Aryan, Aryan means the most civilized group.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: But presently, sir, the Aryan race are spread the world over.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Right from... Aryans are spread the world over right from South America to...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They were, they were belonging to the Aryan family. The Europeans, they were also Aryan family, and Indians, the Arabians, Persians, they were all Aryan family. And the Americans they also migrated from Europe. They are also Aryans. But that is familywise. But actually Aryan means one who is advanced in civilization. That is Aryan. Therefore when Kṛṣṇa chastised Arjuna, He addressed him, "non-Aryan." "You are not talking like Aryan." Anārya juṣṭam. "You are talking like non-Aryan." (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. So Aryan means advanced. The first-class civilized men are the Aryans. So that standard of Aryan civilization is to understand God, Viṣṇu, and go back to. This is perfectional. Yato vā imani (indistinct) bhūtāni jayante. To understand it. And again return back to Him. The modern civilization, they are completely unaware of God, neither they know it that going back to home, back to Godhead, is perfection of civilization. This is the defect.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They say, sir, that the Aryan civilization, cradle of Aryan civilization near the North Pole, is somewhere in Russia. From there they started transmigrating. People went to Europe, from there to America, then south down to Iran, and then to India and all that. When they have such extreme cold they were able to civilize themselves to that extent.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm? We don't say.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: The Eskimos are not able to do it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Civilization means they must live in a nice place like India. That is civilization. The America in those days, they were neglecting. Nobody was living there. Gradually they advanced. Otherwise these tracts of land were rejected.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Hm?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: These tracts of land, North America, that was rejected by the Aryans. They knew it.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They say the Mexico was known.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Mexico, they are less civilized. They are not Aryans. They are not Aryans.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is patala bhumī.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Patala bhumī means just opposite the eastern hemisphere.</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: Just opposite the?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eastern hemisphere.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: But they had, sir, a very big Inca civilization in southern part of the American, I mean, continent, South America, that had been ransacked by these fellows, Spaniards. (break)</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: ...that Rāvaṇa's brother, Mahirāvaṇa, was in...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Brazil.</p>
<p>Yaśomatī-nandana: Brazil?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. From the description it appears.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They could have gone via the Berings, on other side of...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: By Suranga.(?)</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Bering, Bering, just near on the eastern end of Russia.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Underground.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: There is just next, I mean, Alaska and Bering, opposite each other. They could have gone by that place to American continent in past.</p>
<p>Devotee: That's what the scientists say. They are saying that they migrated by the northern way.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes. That is the only way. Otherwise seas are very big waves. The small crafts could not travel on that. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...proposition is not migrating. That is due to increase of population. The civilization means the culture. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.</p>
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