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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div class="heading">No, "not in them" for the understanding of these rascals whose takes it that because Nārāyaṇa is everyone, heart, then everyone is Nārāyaṇa, daridra-nārāyaṇa... Or to warn these rascals, He says, "I am not there. I am not there."
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 20, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 20, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">ƒDr. Patel: But sir, I want to ask a question. In Bhagavad-gītā He says, "I am in them, and I am not in them also." That means, sir, both His, all the beings are in the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, "not in them" for the understanding of these rascals whose takes it that because Nārāyaṇa is everyone, heart, then everyone is Nārāyaṇa, daridra-nārāyaṇa.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Not daridra.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Or to warn these rascals, He says, "I am not there. I am not there."</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: It is not like that, that He is there...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because he is a foolish man, if you say "Because Nārāyaṇa is there, everyone is Nārāyaṇa," he will misunderstand. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, "No, I am not there." Na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ. This is the...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Would it not be considered like this, sir, that He is in the Golok as well as here?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, Goloka, position of, goloka eva nivasaty akhilātmā-bhūto (Bs. 5.37), that is Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Akhilātmā-bhūto.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But don't take that because akhilātmā bhūto, Nārāyaṇa is in the dog, therefore I have to worship dog. This is going on. Daridra-nārāyaṇa. And why not dhanī-nārāyaṇa? What is the.... This foolishness is going on. And Nārāyaṇa is everywhere. If you have such a, I mean to say, advanced vision, that Nārāyaṇa is everywhere—that is also mentioned; therefore you should keep respect—then why do you make discrimination, that only daridra-nārāyaṇa? Why not dhanī-nārāyaṇa?</p>
<p>Indian man: Last time you gave the example of the curd and the milk. That was very good example.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Why the..., not dhanī-nārāyaṇa? Or the dog Nārāyaṇa or the goat Nārāyaṇa? Goat Nārāyaṇa cut his throat; fish Nārāyaṇa cut his throat...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu, sir.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: These rascals are going on. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, "I am not there, nāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ," to teach these rascals. Otherwise, they'll misunder...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Does it not mean, sir, that nāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ, "I am staying in Goloka"?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. He says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam ([[Vanisource:BG 9.4|BG 9.4]]), "I am everywhere, but still I am not there." Because these rascals will misunderstand.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: It seems ambiguous to understand, sir.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not ambiguous. It requires knowledge from the guru.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: So we have come.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If you manufacture your own knowledge, then you'll never be able to understand. (everyone laughs) Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet: (MU 1.2.12) compulsory. You cannot understand; that is not possible. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that the honey, huh? Honey, honey, if somebody says, "Take this honey," the bottle, and he began to lick up the bottle: "It is not sweet. Why it is not sweet?" You go to a person who can open the bottle. (laughter) Then you'll see. You cannot taste the sweetness of honey by licking up the bottle. It must be... There must be some expert who can open it, and then you can taste. So they are trying to taste the honey in the bottle by their own imagination and licking up the bottle. Where is the taste? Otherwise why Kṛṣṇa says,</p>
:tad viddhi praṇipātena
:paripraśnena sevayā
:upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ
:jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ
:([[Vanisource:BG 4.34|BG 4.34]])
<p>One who has seen, one who knows where is the honey is there, go there, and he'll open, and you'll understand.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: So "I am not there for the rascals, and I am there for you," like that, is that the meaning you say?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: "I am not there for the rascals, and I am there for those who are tattva-darśanas."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the way of learning everything. You cannot learn your medical science from a pān-wālā. You have to go to a medical college.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They also give some (gowdies?) in the pān.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But you cannot take your degree from the pān wālā. Nowadays some of the rascals, they are preaching openly that you haven't got to go to a guru. Huh, is it not?</p>
<p>Indian man: Krishnamurti is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, this rascal was speaking like that.</p>
<p>Devotee: He has thousands of disciples.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Such kind of.... as he is.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Nehi, kṛṣṇaṁ vande jagat-gurum. He is a jagat-guru, if you approach Him also, there is no, I mean physical guru nearby, kṛṣṇaṁ jagat-gurum, kṛṣṇaṁ vande jagat-gurum.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: He is jagat-guru...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...you have to go to Kṛṣṇa not directly: yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **. You have to go through the devotee of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: (Sanskrit)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is ādau śraddhā. If you have got faith in Kṛṣṇa, then next stage is tato sādhu-saṇgaḥ. And who is sādhu? Bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 9.30|BG 9.30]]). So if you want to see Kṛṣṇa, you have to see first of all His devotee. Māṁ bhaktyā pūjā bhudhikaḥ. This is also.... "If you worship My devotee, that is better worship than worshiping Me directly." Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]). He doesn't say by Kṛṣṇa-kṛpā, he says guru-krpā, first. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Gurur brahma, gurur viṣṇuḥ, they say that.</p>
<p>Śravanānanda: Some life members (indistinct).... completely ridiculous. They were worshiping everything as God, so in every temple they go in they would pay their obeisances, and if there is some tree, they will pay their obeisances, if there is some stone or brick, and is covered with kuṁkuma and turmeric, they would also pay their obeisances.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So, what is the question?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Your answer is all right. Gurur brahma gurur viṣṇuḥ. So I mean that is the philosophy of...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda:</p>
:sākṣād-haritvena samasta-śāstrair
:yuktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ
:kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya
:vande guroḥ śrī caraṇāravindam
<p>In every śāstra you'll find, just like you say, gurur brahma gurur viṣṇuḥ. In other words, sākṣād-haritvena, directly Hari.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Sākṣād-hari.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sākṣād-haritvena samasta-śāstrair. Not that in a particular.... In all the śāstra. And sākṣād-haritvena samasta-śāstrair yukta, "It is said," tathā, bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ, "and this is accepted by all authorities."</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Sadbhiḥ.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Sadbhiḥ. Not asadbhiḥ. Asadhbhī says "No, no. I don't require a guru. You make me guru." If I don't require a guru, then why you rascal you are speaking this? You are teaching, why you are teaching me?</p>
<p>Devotee: Last night's question on that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If you don't require a guru, then why you are teaching me, if you don't require a guru? Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (to passerby) These people, they say like that. You don't require guru. You don't require a book to study; everything you'll get, within.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is one of the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why you are writing book? Everything is within. All right, but why you are writing book to convince? And why you are teaching them there is no need of guru? That means you want to be guru. All other gurus useless. Just see!</p>
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