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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1972]]
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<div class="heading">No. We belong to the other world actually. We spirit soul, we belong to the spiritual world. Just like fish belongs to the water. Fish does not belong to the land. So if the fish is brought from the water to the land, it cannot be comfortable at any stage. It will die. Similarly you are Brahman, part and parcel of Brahman, particle of Brahman. So unless you return to Brahman, you cannot be happy.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego|Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (2) (Indian man): Swamiji, the four principles you were telling about, are they for purposes of just other-worldliness or is it for material gains in this world or what?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. We belong to the other world actually. We spirit soul, we belong to the spiritual world. Just like fish belongs to the water. Fish does not belong to the land. So if the fish is brought from the water to the land, it cannot be comfortable at any stage. It will die. Similarly you are Brahman, part and parcel of Brahman, particle of Brahman. So unless you return to Brahman, you cannot be happy.</p>
<p>Guest (2): But if we look at the world as it is today we'll find that people who are the most powerful in this world are those who...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Who is powerful? First of all let us see who is powerful.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Like United States, like Soviet Union. There is no other power in this world who can...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What do you mean by powerful? Then President Nixon is not afraid of anything, do you think?</p>
<p>Guest (2): He personally may not, may be afraid of something, but as a country, yes, it's very powerful. The whole world is afraid of them.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, President Nixon means this country. Why he went to China? Why he went to Russia? He's also afraid. If there is war there will be great calamity. So everyone is afraid. Everyone is under the control of the laws of nature. Everyone is hungry. So actually nobody's powerful in this material world. Even if he's powerful, it is for temporary. So many Hitlers, so many Napoleons, so many Churchills and others came and gone. There was powerful British Empire, powerful Roman Empire. So nobody's powerful. That's a wrong idea. In due course of time everything will be kicked out and finished. That is the law of nature.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yes, but what I'm trying to get at is that it seems to me that if you carefully look at the world history during the past...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: World history is that history repeats itself. Everything comes into existence and then vanquished.</p>
<p>Guest (2): No, that's not what I mean. What I meant is that during the past two thousand years, whoever was very powerful was who was doing all these four things which we are, which you are suggesting that we should give up, you see.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But I say that my challenge is nobody's powerful. That is my challenge.</p>
<p>Guest (2): I mean...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You mean, but that is not the fact.</p>
<p>Guest (2): It's a fact, I mean, when they are powerful they rule the whole earth.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Where is your Hitler? Where is your Mussolini? Where is Napoleon?</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yes, Hitler is gone, but then we have that U.S., you see. If tomorrow U.S. goes, maybe there will be Soviet Union.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So that means everyone will come into power for some days; then it will be finished. That's all.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yeah, but all the people who are getting into the power are people who are having these four vices, you know, and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore their power is finished. If you become sinful, then your power will not exist. Just like Rāvaṇa became powerful. He was so powerful that he dared to take away Sītā. But he also became vanquished. That is the history.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yes but people say that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: People say, that is other... You see the fact. Nobody is powerful; nobody can exist here. For the temporary, say for some years, you may be so-called powerful but it is not powerful. We are concerned with eternal life. We are not interested in the so-called power for a few days. That is not our aim.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Yes, but if we say that everything is destined, like the moment your body is manufactured and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Guest (2): ...everything is destined, then we are probably as well destined to be Kṛṣṇa conscious or to be non-Kṛṣṇa conscious, you know.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. That destiny can change. Śāstra says... Destined means so far you're... Suppose you are to get, say, one thousand dollars per month. That you'll get. You try for it or don't try for it, you'll get. Therefore we should not waste our time for getting one thousand dollars. We should utilize the time for developing our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is our philosophy.</p>
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