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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1972]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">They're drinking, they're eating meat, they're gambling and they are having illicit sex, and they are preaching. And we say, "First of all stop these things, then claim yourself to be religious, or God conscious." You cannot indulge in all these things.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 4, 1972, New York|Room Conversation -- July 4, 1972, New York]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: All right. Then where is the pen?</p>
<p>Nanda-kumāra: That Gopāla Kṛṣṇa gave you?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Nanda-kumāra: I have that packed in your suitcase.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Preach, preach, preach, preach, preach, preach.... Everyone is (indistinct). That Christian, "Oh what..., what Christian you are? You are disobeying the orders of Jesus Christ, and you (indistinct) a Christian." This is going on. We don't say that because you are Christian you cannot love God. We simply say that you are not following. If you follow, then you can learn also how to love God. I never said. So many questions are there. "By following Jesus(?), yes, we can attain perfection." Yes?</p>
<p>Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, which would you like to take?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Any one will do.</p>
<p>Devotee: So shall I take your passport now, Śrīla Prabhupāda?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee: And health card?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So here is my passport, and here is my health cards. Is that all right?</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: This we have to turn in when leaving the country.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: Prabhupāda, can I offer you a fresh garland?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Thank you. It is too fresh.</p>
<p>Devotee: Huh?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Too fresh (laughter). Water.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: Oh, I'm sorry.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Now, you can take this. Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, you can take this. Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja. Where is Viṣṇujana? He can take this.</p>
<p>Devotee: Viṣṇujana Swami.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And if you can distribute among the others? Where is my, that wrapper? Yes. So the Deity is open?</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: Yes, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So I'll go and see the Deity, and from that door I shall get out.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: I see. I'll arrange.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) Ready?</p>
<p>Devotee: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So ask them to keep my one cloth out; otherwise I may require in this at least one sweater, one wrapper.</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So is that our version about Christianity is all right?</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: Wonderful, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh, where is Christian? Simply by saying that "I am Christian..."</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: There is no Christian.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no Christian. Otherwise there is no difference between Christianity and our philosophy. They're Christian; we're Krishnian. And Christ comes from the word Kṛṣṭa. So if they actually follow the commandments given by Lord Jesus Christ, the world will change, immediately.</p>
<p>Devotee: Is that so...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Unnecessarily, false argument. Even Jesus Christ ate meat, you cannot imitate. You have to follow his instruction.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, our best, I have found that the best argument is, you practice. Proof.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So I shall go? No.</p>
<p>Devotee: A few minutes, I think, 'cause they are still packing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All right.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: None of these religions have produced a sannyāsī.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: None of them. A person who is detatched from material life.</p>
<p>Jayādvaita: I was reading in the Bible...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore I refused this Bhāgavata reader. He wants to come here, and no, we don't want these professional men. We want men who have sacrificed their life for God. We want such men, not professional. The so-called priests, they are professional. They are earning money. That's all. Just see, they, how the karmīs are earning money by their business, and it has become a business. Everywhere, religion has become a business.</p>
<p>Devotee: They perform some charity, that's all.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Devotee: They just perform some char...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What charity they can do? We also, a "loophole," that's all. We are making charity.</p>
<p>Jayādvaita: I was reading in their book, the Bible...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And they're playing, gambling.</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes. In the church.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Devotees: Bingo.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Bingo.</p>
<p>Jayādvaita: I was reading, they prescribe..., the book prescribes all our principles.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And five hundred, five hundred priests are in hospital for, for their drinking habit. Five hundred or five thousand? You know that? Yes. Brahmānanda gave me a cutting from newspaper, that five hundred or five thousand priests are in the hospital to cure of their drinking habit.</p>
<p>Kīrtanānanda: Probably five thousand?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Kīrtanānanda: Probably five thousand. (indistinct) five hundred.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh? They're drinking, they're eating meat, they're gambling and they are having illicit sex, and they are preaching. And we say, "First of all stop these things, then claim yourself to be religious, or God conscious." You cannot indulge in all these things. (aside:) Oh, you have kept my one cloth outside?</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. It's outside.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because I may require in the.... So, we don't want to enter into arguments, but we must know, but if somebody comes to argument, we have to say. What can be done? We say that "You follow Christianity in perfect order, you'll be benefited." That we say. Our test is whether you're advancing in God consciousness. That is our test. You follow Christianity or Muhammadanism, anything you follow, we don't mind. Whether you are developing your God consciousness, love for God, that is our test. But if your process has failed, then you can try this. And you'll see, in our process within so short time, how they are becoming God conscious. You have to admit. And they admit also.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: They're not getting any young priests.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: They're not getting young priests. Only this movement is getting young priests.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Very young. Just from the womb of the mother. (laughter) Yes?</p>
<p>Devotee: (indistinct) go Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, I'm ready. (break—conversation in car) That building is Empire Building?</p>
<p>Devotee: Yes. Empire State Building.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): These are now world's biggest, these buildings here, those big square ones. (World Trade Center buildings).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): They're much taller than the Empire State Building. (break)</p>
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