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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1973]]
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: If we don't experience, we may not know that we are suffering.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Because we have got little freedom. Therefore this freedom is given, "All right..." So by freedom, sometimes we are becoming Lord Brahmā and sometimes the germ in the stool. This is going on. Otherwise, why there are so many different types of living entities? That freedom is acting under three modes: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, and tamo-guṇa. And when they are multiplied, three into three equals nine, nine into eighty-one; therefore 8,400,000 species. They experience everything. That is evolution, coming down, again going up, coming down again. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate ([[Vanisource:BG 8.19|BG 8.19]]). So when they become exasperated, "No more." They want to become merging into the Supreme. When they are fatigued. After being karmī, then jñānī: "This is not good. What is actually our aim of life, let us search out." But because they make research in their teeny brain, they come to the conclusion, voidism and impersonalism, that "Make it zero, this botheration." That is also imperfect. So when they come to Bhagavān and engage himself in the service, then it is perfect, original.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: They want things by experimental knowledge, and when they fail it, they say it is nothing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is voidism. First of all they try to enjoy. When they fail... The jackal in the orchard first of all tried to get the grapes, jumping, jumping, jumping. When he could not get, then he said, "Oh it is sour. Don't require..." (laughter) They will say, brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā: "This is all false. Let us go to Brahman." This is their philosophy. First of all they try as karmī, brmmmmmmm. (Prabhupāda makes loud car sound) (laughter) When all these brm brm brm, life after life, when he finds that there is nothing, "Oh, it is all false. Grapes are sour." Jackal jumping. There is need of God. You can write article.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: Need of God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, there is need, absolute need.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: And need to trust in God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Exactly like that. A child needs parents and absolute surrender to parents. That is natural.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: He needs parents to be born at all, he need parents that he can rely on.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, so that he may grow. That Upendra's wife and child. The child is so restless, not for a single moment. And the mother has to take care, "No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no." She requires a mother to take care.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But the child is automatically taken care of by the parents.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, but he does not know. Child is foolish. He does not know. Similarly, everything is taken care of by God. He is supplying food, He is supplying seasons, He is supplying lights, everything I require. But we are so rascals, we are denying Him. You see?</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, they say there are discrepancies in that supply. Some people starve to death and freeze to death.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is not discrepancy. Just like a mother, when the child is diseased, "Ah, don't take. You cannot take. You must starve." If he thinks it is discrepancy, that is his foolishness. That is foolishness.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, just like if a big tornado comes and kills a thousand people...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, because on account of their sins. Because they do not know. Why government hangs one person? Is there government discrepancy? When government says, the judge says, "This man must be hanged," is it discrepancy? It is justice.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, just like that one Indian chemist Svarūpa Dāmodara brought. He said that philosophy is killing India. People just sit by and watch each other die instead of trying to help each other.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that he is rascal. No Indian is dying. We are going three times, four times India. Who is dying? Everyone is dying natural death. This is all propaganda, to make their position secure. That's all. I have never seen anyone dying for starvation. I have pointed out so many times that fifty years ago this class of men lying on the footpath... Now the foodgrains has risen price fifty times. Still he is living. Still he is living. But he has to live in that condition. Although he must have increased his income, otherwise how he is purchasing foodstuff, fifty times? But in spite of his increasing income, he must live like that. Apart from India. Why, in your country or in Europe, so many hippies are lying? Why? They have no want.</p>
<p>Karandhara: But not as many.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, you have not seen Amsterdam. Full, one big park, hundreds and thousands hippies are lying on the ground. Hundreds and thousands. You have been in Amsterdam? I have seen it personally.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Yeah. But not like India where there is millions of people...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, India you will not find that in the park hundreds and thousands are lying. You never find.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, you'll find them living in sewer pipes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anyway, our proposition is that one class of men must lie down like that.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: That is their business.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is their business. They must.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Just like there they build big buildings for them and let them...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But they do not go. In Bombay also, municipality has constructed big buildings, but they do not go. They hire it, yes, they get, to some gentleman. They get some fifty rupees and "All right, you take." And he lives in a hut. Yes. This is practical. They don't like. Just like a worm in the stool. You take it away. He will again, again go. (laughter) Again go there. You are very philanthropist: "Oh, my dear friend, why you are in the stool? Come on, here." "No, no, sir, I will go there again." How can you check it? Nature's law.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, they say it can be checked by time and education.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, that time, you wait for time. By that time you will die.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, just like a hundred years ago in the United States...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. These discrepancies will go on because this whole material world is being conducted by three qualities. You will have three qualitative persons.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, they think they are making progress...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That they are making progress everyone knows, what kind of progress they are making.</p>
<p>Prajāpati: Śrīla Prabhupāda, there was a great philosopher or preacher among the Jewish people whose position is that "If there is God and He let so many Jews be killed by Hitler, ten million Jews, and God could have stopped it and He didn't, then I don't care for that God." They say like that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So their God, Jesus Christ God, he could not even protect himself also. The reply should be, Christian, if Jesus Christ is God, then why he could not protect himself?</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, the Jews say Jesus Christ wasn't God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, but somebody said.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is just like the concept that if God is all-merciful, why He is so impartial, somebody making happy, somebody making suffering?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is mercifulness. Just like when doctor says, "You don't take anything today. You fast," that is mercy. That is mercy. It is good for him. By starving, he will be cured. That is mercy. And according to Manu-saṁhitā, when a man is hanged, that is mercy. If he is hanged... He has committed murder. He should be hanged so all his sinful reaction finished. Otherwise next birth, he has to suffer. He has to be killed by somebody else.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But the tendency is that the sufferer wants to complain.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that they will complain. Just like when a man is ordered to be hanged, he will complain, "Just see the police, judge. He has ordered me to be hanged." That complaint will go on. Just like a child. When the doctor says, "Don't eat anything." He will complain. He will cry, "Why doctor says like that?" But it has to be done.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, then they'll say, "Well, if you see somebody suffering, then why do anything about it, if it just what they..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, we are doing everything to stop his suffering.</p>
<p>Karandhara: They will say, "Why? If that's what they deserve, why try to stop it?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, because he has come here to suffer. You cannot expect in the prison life a very comfortable life. You must suffer. But if somebody goes there, that "Don't commit stealing anymore. Come out and don't come here again," so that is required.</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: Just because a man goes in the prisonhouse doesn't mean his thieving is cured. He will come out a thief unless he is actually rectified.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Yes. Otherwise again he will commit the same thing and again he will come. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate ([[Vanisource:BG 8.19|BG 8.19]]). Therefore he requires instruction, good instruction. Sometimes government invites. We were invited that Ahmedabad jail. You remember?</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, there was big meeting of the prisoners. Kīrtana, everything, yes.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So by lacking the understanding, they say that God is not merciful. The sufferers. People, who are suffering, but by not knowing that it is the mercy of the Lord, we complain that God is not merciful. But he is impartial.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, God is merciful, but this fool does not know because he is ignorant. The same thing, mother says. One child, she is feeding very sumptuously. Other one, "Oh, don't take it. You go away." Does it mean the mother is merciful to one child and not to the other? The child does not know it, he cries, "Why shall I not...? Why I shall not eat? Why I shall not eat?" So these foolish questions will be stopped as soon as one becomes God conscious.</p>
<p>Karandhara: But unless they understand the difference between spirit and matter, they can't accept this logic.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.</p>
<p>Karandhara: That may be accepted in retrospection, but when it is happening, they don't accept that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is their ignorance, foolishness. Therefore a devotee will not say like that. A devotee will say, tat te 'nukampāṁ susamīkṣamāṇaḥ: ([[Vanisource:SB 10.14.8|SB 10.14.8]]) "My dear Lord, I am suffering. It is due to my past mischievous activities, but you are rescuing me by giving little punishment. I would have been punished more, but you have given little punishment. Thank you very much." This is devotion.</p>
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