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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1976]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 28, 1976, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- May 28, 1976, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu is the Supersoul of the universe.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is an ocean (inaudible) each planet, and in the Causal Ocean is Garbhodakaśāyī. (break) ...ocean, many planets and (inaudible)</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Where? Underneath the water?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): You said that the different living entities in lower forms of life, they became those lower forms of life due to their work in the human form?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. A criminal is freed, but if he again commits criminal..., criminality, then again he's put into the jail, like that. (inaudible) ...his freedom, now make your choice. But if you misuse it, then again go.... māyāprāpte nivartante mṛtyuḥ saṁsāra vartmani. (break) ...go home back to Godhead. But if we do not take the chance, and misuse it, like animals, then again we go down. The process is to go back to home, back to Godhead, eternal life, blissful life. And other process is the cycle of birth and death in different species of life. So this human form of body is to make choice whether to continue the cycle of birth and death in different species of life, or you want to go home, back to Godhead. (Sanskrit) He's Kṛṣṇa conscious when he goes back to home, back to Godhead. (inaudible) species of life, according to karma, they're going to be fish. From fish, by nature's way, leads to the plants, then insect. In this way.... Then birds, then beasts, again human being. Again another birth. In this way they are.... bahūnāṁ janmanām ante ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). Similarly, after many, many births, when he comes to his senses.... "I have enjoyed very nice life. Now let me go back home..." Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti... ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19|BG 7.19]]). Kṛṣṇa says, sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ. Such mahātmā, great soul, who has accepted that Kṛṣṇa is everything, he is very, very rarely found. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu ([[Vanisource:BG 7.3|BG 7.3]]). After many, many millions.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): When one takes to spiritual life, is it the result of material exhaustion, or is it simply the guru's mercy on him, and nothing else?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Two ways. One is called sādhana-siddhi. One is called kṛpā-siddhi. What is your question?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): If when one comes to spiritual life, is he coming because of material exhaustion, so much pain in the material world, so therefore he's searching?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Voluntary.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Voluntary.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Ah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: When one is actually in service, then he comes to.... "So I have enjoyed. Now, no I don't want. Now I want Kṛṣṇa." That is voluntary.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): But is it the guru? Does the guru give him that sense?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Guru is traveling all over the world, "Take this science." If one is fortunate he can take.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): Those persons who are atheistic, they say that God is created out of a necessity, that people have a necessity to have their father image, so therefore they create religion. This is their basic philosophy, that man creates his own religion. He creates it out of necessity. He needs a father image, so therefore he creates the idea of God.</p>
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