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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1977]]
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<div class="heading">What can be done?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- November 5, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- November 5, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The medicine can be given for ten or twelve days and everything will go exactly according to some plan. This was my point from the beginning. It's not a very difficult thing. The kavirāja probably can adjust very easily to stop stool from passing. Naturally, if you stop the medicine, maybe the stool will stop, but that doesn't actually solve the problem. That doesn't cure the disease. The disease is not that you're passing stool. That's a side effect of, perhaps, the medicine or maybe something you're eating. The medicine is required for getting better, but now, if the medicine causes you to pass stool, if that's actually the reason, then it has to be adjusted.</p>
<p>Śatadhanya: Just a couple of days ago, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were constipated, and you were thinking that it was necessary to take an enema.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But stool-passing this many times is not right either. Passing stool five, six times, that is not right. It's obvious that it's a result of something. It's either the medicine or the diet. Prabhupāda says it's the medicine, just like last time when he took that makara-dhvaja, and he was right. It was the medicine. (break) ...the best thing to do. There may be some good effect by taking the medicine in addition to the causing you to pass stool. So if by giving you some other small medicine at the same time, you can still take this medicine and you don't pass stool, then that's the best thing. This only a kavirāja knows. I don't know this. I have no idea. Maybe we should take the help of that... This doesn't seem like a very difficult thing, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Passing stool is something that any kavirāja should be able to treat, and maybe for this small thing we should call that assistant who was here yesterday. That's why that kavirāja from Calcutta arranged for there to be an assistant here, in case... In other words he came and diagnosed the disease, and he made a very complicated thing, medicine that an expert had to make. And for the fact that there might be some side effect, that you may not sleep properly or you might be passing stool, something of this kind, he found out one assistant for the purpose of helping in these cases. So why not carry through with that and take the help of this assistant, see what he says? This is a common ailment that people have, diarrhea or passing stool too often, loose bowels. That's not a very major problem.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, you have to stop.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, that's not necessarily the only solution, to stop. I just explained, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that that is not the only way. Another way may be that they add some other kind of medicine which stops the passing of stool. The medicine you're getting is supposed to be doing good to your kidney and liver. That it causes you to pass stool, that is not good, but at the same time, it may be doing good for the kidney and liver. If you stop taking it, then how will you heal the kidney and liver? Simply by not passing stool, that's not going to heal the kidney and liver. What we want is that you should not pass stool too much and at the same time you can still have your kidney and liver healed. Naturally, if you stop taking medicine, the stool may stop passing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And he is not experienced.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I don't know ...He's not as... The point is, for such a thing that you have now, passing stool, I don't think that requires a highly learned kavirāja. That's a common ailment, that someone passes stool too easily. That's not a very difficult ailment to take care of.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So consult him.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm. I think this is the time to do that. This is a side effect of taking the medicine. Just giving up taking medicine may solve one problem, but it's not going to solve the main problem. This is to say that we're putting some hope on this kavirāja from Calcutta. If eventually he is shown that his medicine didn't work, then I won't..., I wouldn't say anything. But I'm going on the argument that his medicine is doing some good. So I don't want to see it stopped. So you have no objection if we consult the other kavirāja, do you?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What can be done?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. I think this is the purpose for which he was chosen, at such a time like this that he should be consulted. I'll tell Bhakti-caru to consult him. (break)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Śatadhanya: Finished with urine, Śrīla Prabhupāda?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Bengali)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhakti-caru, Prabhupāda is talking to you.</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Bengali)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda wants him to come every day, once a day, and check him out. (Bengali)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hundred cc's, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Your urine was 100 cc's.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, urine is all right. Urine, it is all right. I am lying here. He can come conveniently.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhakti-caru, Prabhupāda says he's lying here, so the kavirāja can come whenever it's convenient, 'cause he's always here.</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Right. That's what I told him.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And you should pay for that.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No problem.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Appreciate.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Appreciate. There's no problem for that, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Bengali)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda is asking him how did he get to know Shastriji. So he said that it's I who took him there and...</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How will we stop the stool?</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Bhakti-caru, what is he saying?</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: He's saying that for controlling the stool he's going to just give juice of ginger roots and honey mixed together, and just that. He's not going to give any other medicine for that.</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Gentle.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That will stop the stool?</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: He's saying yes. He doesn't want to change this medicine. He says that none of these medicines has any ingredient that might cause stool or might make him pass stool. (Hindi) He's saying that passing stool is due to the old stool that was in the stomach. That is coming out. They are not laxatives, as such. Now I remember, he was telling also, that Shastriji, that Śrīla Prabhupāda's intestine has become shrunk, dried up. Now they are slowly, slowly, they have got to become loose and looser, and this might be one thing like the intestine is loosening, and that is causing the bowels to move.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if that is true, then why stop the stools?</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: No, I mean since it's causing inconvenience... He's saying that these two agents are natural digesters, both ginger juice and honey.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Natural digestives? So what does that have to do with stopping the stool?</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Anyway, since he said, we can just try it. (Hindi) He's not actually causing it to stop. He said that it will... Now, last few times, Śrīla Prabhupāda has passed very light stool and liquidish. So ginger root and honey will make it sort of thicker.</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: That's all.</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: Yes.</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: He's asking whether, while passing stool, there's a feeling that stomach has been cleared, kind of a constipated feeling, in spite of... Śrīla Prabhupāda said that it was happening like that before, but last few times it was liquidish. It was watery stool, so there is no question of...</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: (Hindi with kavirāja assistant and Prabhupāda)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhakti-caru, what's going on?</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: He was wondering about one medicine that has some roots and herbs mixed together and boil it for a long time and just give the extract of that. He was wondering whether that medicine, how I have that medicine... There are different items in it. That vaidyajī already made, mixed it together. So he was wondering about that medicine, how it is, how do I keep it.</p>
<p>Kavirāja assistant: (Hindi)</p>
<p>Bhakti-caru: (Hindi) So he told me yesterday also that there should be continuous prayers.</p>
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