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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">No, it is personal, our. You are desiring something, and you get the opportunity.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 26, 1976, Delhi|Morning Walk -- March 26, 1976, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: How the eternal spirit soul becomes so completely absorbed that he completely forgets about the future and simply he becomes absorbed in some temporary sense gratification.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is material existence. Material existence means to satisfy senses. That is material existence. Don't you see that everyone is planning for some material.... Just that one man is the.... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa was saying that he was eating motorcar. Just see. (laughter) What is the meaning of this? But he is desiring like that, that "I shall be famous man by eating motorcar."</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: He's desiring for fame.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone can understand, "What is the use of this fame?" but he is desiring. This is going on. That is the cause of his bondage. This life he's desiring to eat motorcar, next life he is desiring to eat something, enjoy something, varieties of mano-dharma, mental concoction, and that is his bondage. Kṛṣṇa is so kind; whatever he desires, he is given the facility: "All right, take it."</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, is it more natural to love someone else...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: Is it more natural for someone else to enjoy or for ourselves to enjoy?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it is personal, our. You are desiring something, and you get the opportunity.</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: So then to love Kṛṣṇa is unnatural?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. No, that is natural and everything else unnatural. The principle of loving Kṛṣṇa is distributed in so many ways. Instead of loving Kṛṣṇa, loving so many nonsense things, and we are becoming implicated. The principle is love, but instead of loving the right person, you are loving so many things. Hm?</p>
<p>Cyavana: Growing wild.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Dayānanda: You told me, "What is the use of becoming a paṇḍita?" So the other day I was in one shop, and the man was asking me about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one of the shop owners. So I told him one verse, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66|BG 18.66]]). He did not know it, but he called over one of his employees. He was a paṇḍita. He was working in the shop as a salesman. So I was thinking that he has become a paṇḍita.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Become a salesman.</p>
<p>Dayānanda: But he's just working in the shop as a salesman.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And he has become a servant of a person who does not know Sanskrit.</p>
<p>Dayānanda: Yes, he does not know anything, but he has become servant.</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: (break) ...about some other paṇḍitas who wanted to get Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura out of the town. So two of his students, one posed as a betel seller and one as a potter. And when the men came to take, kick Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura out of the town, they first stopped to get some betel. And the betel seller was quoting Sanskrit verses, and then the potter was also quoting Sanskrit verses. So they thought, "If the betel seller and the potter of this town are such great paṇḍitas, what must Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura be like?" So they left the town immediately. (break) ...Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is the ability in man.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: Kṛṣṇa is the ability in man. Kṛṣṇa is the ability...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is everything.</p>
<p>Guru dāsa: Yes. Is it all right to think sometimes when there is some success that it's more due to you than to Kṛṣṇa? Because you've taught us about Kṛṣṇa, you've taught us how to speak, etc. In other words, when there's some success, can we think that it's due to you more than to Kṛṣṇa, or both, or...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: According to śāstra, both. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]). By the grace of Kṛṣṇa one gets guru, and by the grace of guru one gets Kṛṣṇa. If one is sincerely seeking after Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa gives him a guru, and the guru teaches him how to get Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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