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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div class="heading">But at least, they could not go there. Otherwise, why they are giving up this job? They could not go there. That's a fact. Their plan was to... They were selling land even on the moon planet.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (3): Prabhupāda, when they said they went to the moon and they showed films of them landing and walking on the moon, was this all a bluff?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, here they... All laboratory work, that's all.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They all made it up?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: Prabhupāda, they are not going to go to Venus. The American and Russian, they are just going to meet outside the earth. They are not going to any planet.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, that is finished.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: It is too difficult.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: They're going to meet in space and float around in space.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is birds are doing also. What is the credit?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: They are thinking that "What is the use of going to any other planet, because there is no life on the other planets."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why no life?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Well, they have photographs and things.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Photograph, what is this nonsense photograph? How long it can go up?</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: They're taken from hundreds of miles up in space, and then they say there is no life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is hundreds of miles? It is, er, forty billion, what is that?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Four billion.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Four billion. So how they can calculate?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: If they took a photograph of the earth planet from up in space, they would probably also say there is no life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They say because the atmosphere is not like this planet, others cannot live there.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why not atmosphere? The moon planet, there is a planet. There is space. There is surface. There is dust. So why not atmosphere the same? It is made of the same ingredients, earth, water, fire. Why do you say that is not same atmosphere?</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They are saying that it's too cold or too hot.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. That is here also. There are many cold places. Do they think that in the cold places there is no life? All nonsense. And only nonsense will believe them. I never believed it. Why? Here we see under this sand there is life. The crabs, what is called? They live within, so many hundreds of thousands. We have seen on the sand.</p>
<p>Indian man: And the polar bears for cold season for living in mounds of snows and all.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There are birds, some birds.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Penguins.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Penguins birds. There is life.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: Seals, whales, polar bears...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is life everywhere. Bhagavad-gītā says, sarva-gaḥ. The life is there everywhere. And moon planet, according to our Vedic literature, that is one of the demigods' place. People live there daiva age, ten thousand years.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They will not believe in the demigods...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So I will not believe them. That's all, finished. (laughter)</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They cannot see them.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What can you see, teeny eyes? What can you see? Can you see what is there on the other side of the sea? Then does it mean there is nothing? Your nonsense seeing. Why you are believing of seeing? Your seeing power is very, very limited. Why do you believe in seeing? That is childish, "I cannot see." What you can see? First of all, let us consider this point. You cannot see anything.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, people will be very surprised to find out that the moon is farther away from us than the sun when they read your..., when they read Fifth Canto.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But at least, they could not go there. Otherwise, why they are giving up this job? They could not go there. That's a fact. Their plan was to... They were selling land even on the moon planet.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Selling land on the moon?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughter)</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: They were selling airline tickets also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah, yes. (laughter) Just see, route. Pan American, yes. They sold so many tickets. Such fools there are.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: In New York sometimes people sell new immigrants the Brooklyn Bridge.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And Moscow Sea. They pitched one flag in the moon planet and named Moscow Sea. Yes.</p>
<p>Indian man: Just like you said that this moon and other planets are also made of these five elements—earth, water, fire, ether—they brought a rock from there. So they are accepting that the moon is made of those elements also. But they are not accepting that life is there.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, they'll not accept. Therefore... therefore fools. Why? The circumstance is the same. Why there should be no life? That is foolishness. We have got experience. As soon as there is water, there is life. As soon as there is land, there is life. As soon as there is air, there is life. So where is life? No life.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They may agree in undeveloped species, but as far as higher forms of life, they will not agree, such as humans or demigods.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that also we cannot agree. If there are lower species, there must be higher species. As we see here is dog also, man also, higher species, lower species, why not there? They can talk all nonsense, but a nonsense will believe. No sane man will believe. (break) ...going to meet in the space?</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the idea?</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: It's a diplomatic move. They feel it will make friendly relationships between the two countries.</p>
<p>Indian man: They cannot meet on the earth and they are going to meet on the... (laughter) (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So I am the only man in the world challenging that "You have not gone to the moon planet." Eh?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Is it possible there's some difference as to the definition of what the moon planet is? They will say that the moon planet is that planet out there. Do we agree? At night?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is your definition? First of all let me hear.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: I'm still wondering myself.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We have got our definition.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: What do we call those planets that rotate around Jupiter and Saturn and... They will say those are also moons.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Different planets, different position. Just like this sun planet is fiery. There is fire. Similarly, in moon planet there is fire, but it is surrounded by cold atmosphere. Therefore it is cooling.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: So that's the specific characteristic of this moon?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Which moon? Yes, this is...</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Our moon.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: So the other moons that rotate around Saturn and Jupiter...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Other moon? There is no other moon.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: So they're just planets?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: The moon is not rotating around the earth. The moon is further away than the sun.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: The moon is further away than the sun. Wow! (laughs)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Why does it seem like the moon is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Seen? Who has seen it? First of all let me..., who has seen it? (Devotees are laughing)</p>
<p>Harikeśa: There's nothing you can say.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Prabhupāda, you said the other day that pretty soon all these lies will be exposed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They are already exposed because they have left that expedition. That means they are hopeless. That is exposed. But foolish people will not ask them that "Why you have stopped this expedition?" They will again go on bluffing, and they will accept. That is the position. Now people should ask them, "Why you have stopped moon expedition and Venus expedition? You proposed you were going there, making arrangement. Why you have stopped?" It is failure.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: They might argue...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the argument? You have stopped. That is your failure, that's all. You can argue to the laymen, foolish men, but we will say you have stopped; therefore it is failure. All bogus propaganda is now stopped.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): They are saying the moon isn't worth develop...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now they cannot say anything because they are failure. Anything they say, that is all foolishness. They cannot say anything. Once you are failure, you have no value, anything you say.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: I've heard the argument that when they are going to the moon, they are always in contact, bouncing off these sonar waves and radar waves off the moon's surface, and when they are coming near, they can even see from their little portholes the moon's surface, the same moon that they see on the earth.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They say all nonsense. That's all. (chuckles) Why the earth is not brilliant at night like the moon?</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: It depends on where you are. It depends on where you are looking from.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "Where you are" means?</p>
<p>Harikeśa: They have pictures from the moon taken of the earth.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Pictures? First of all you see. Then take picture. You cannot see.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: They use all these things to argue that they actually did go to the moon.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of argument if they have stopped? That is failure. Don't talk nonsense anymore. Phalena paricīyate. By the result we have to understand. Your result is you are failure. Then what is the use of talking nonsense? Stop this nonsense.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: It's like five years ago they declared a war on cancer, and they spent billions and billions of dollars on it, and just the other day they now said that it was a complete failure, that the disease has just kept on growing and growing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You cannot stop even cancer disease and you are controlling nature. Just see their (?) false, puffed up. They cannot control one disease, and they are going to control nature. We have to believe that.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: He just told me I was spaced out because I wasn't punching this in, but I'm still astounded by the fact that the moon is further away than the sun. When the devotees hear this tape, they're not going to believe it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore they could not go. I... First of all I said that they might have gone to the Rahu planet.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Yes, the Fourth Canto.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all my conviction: they have gone nowhere. They have simply stayed in their laboratory, that's all.</p>
<p>Indian man: Anyone can do that, bring some pictures and bring a rock.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think somebody might have told you before, but there was a big scandal right after the moon shot when they said they went to the moon and..., that it was all staged in the desert of Arizona, that they...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the fact.</p>
<p>Bali-mardana: When Puruṣottama heard that, he blooped. (Devotees continue laughing.)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. In 1968 I was questioned by the reporters, "What is your opinion about this moon?" "It is simply a waste of time and energy, that's all. It is all false propaganda." I told to the reporter.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Actually, these scientists and philosophers, they become very famous and popular by coming up with some brand new theories. So why don't we widely publicize our theories?</p>
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