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<div class="heading">Our Kurukṣetra battle is a conflict between Kurus and Pāṇḍavas. So after the conflict, the Pāṇḍavas became the kings. So that is admitted; without conflict, you cannot make progress.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung|Philosophy Discussion on Mao Tse Tung]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: He stresses two aspects (in the) theory of dialectical materialism. The one on which he placed the most emphasis is the aspect of the pragmatic element of philosophy, that philosophy must have practical effect. And the other aspect is the contradiction between capitalism and communism, and this contradiction involves conflicts and eventual revolution. He agrees with Hegel that without conflict, there can be no progress. Do we accept this? Without conflict, there is no progress?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Our Kurukṣetra battle is a conflict between Kurus and Pāṇḍavas. So after the conflict, the Pāṇḍavas became the kings. So that is admitted; without conflict, you cannot make progress.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Is that true on every level of...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: ...chemical law? (?)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Mind is saṅkalpa and vikalpa. Mind's business is to accept something and reject something. So in this way, accepting and rejecting, if the mind is sound, then we come to some conclusion by intelligence. Accepting and rejecting, this is conflict. Then by intelligence we take something out of this conflict.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So this idea that no progress is made in any..., except through conflict.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: How is that exactly?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is conflict. Conflict means if I don't agree with you and if you do not agree with me, that is conflict.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So some progress is made from that conflict?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. But the two can(?) fight or conflict and one judgement giver.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: And this is progress.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like this morning I was explaining that your statement should be according to the standard process, vidhi-mārga. So sādhu-śāstra-guru, three authorities: saintly persons, scripture, and spiritual master. So all of them should be, should agree. There is a con... Just like two litigants, they go to the court and the judges give judgement. Similarly, whenever there is conflict, to come to a conclusion, we must refer to sādhu, śāstra, and guru. Then we get the right judgement.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So his idea of conflict is on the social level, between classes of men. It also carries over into historical levels...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, that conflict is no use. Social... So far the modern society is concerned, it is based on mental speculation. There is no standard. Some society has a different standard, another society has a different standard. But none of them are based on some authority. Therefore such conflict cannot bring you into some right conflict if both of them are wrong. The so-called capitalist and so-called communist, they are all on the wrong basis. So by such conflict you cannot come to a recognized standard.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So by "conflict" you mean the mind's engagement with...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. I mean to say that... Just like two parties fighting on some point. They come to the court and the judgement is given by the judge. So the decision is made on the judgement.  Not by simply conflict. If two parties are fighting for life together, they cannot come to the conclusion because they are fighting on the wrong basis.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So this theory of Mao Tse Tung actually rises out of Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be. Darwin's theory we have already discussed, and that is nonsense.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: "Might makes right."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: They think whoever wins in a battle of ideas must have the right idea.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. That is based on "might is right," but we do not accept this theory. We say, "right is might," not "might is right." Yes. If you are right, then you have got might. Otherwise, simply if you have got might, that is not right.</p>
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