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<div class="heading">Leader must be there, religious or not religious. Everyone has leader. The Communist has got leader, and the spiritualists, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we have also leader. So without leader nothing can be done. They may defy leadership, they may defy authority, but one who defies authority, he wants to become authority. So this is natural. Without leader nothing can be done.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on B. F. Skinner and Henry David Thoreau|Philosophy Discussion on B. F. Skinner and Henry David Thoreau]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hayagrīva: This was the position of Mr. Rose, who started to try to, try a community at, where we have New Vrindaban now. The man we initially bought New Vrindaban from. This was his position: "No leaders." But it turned out that he wanted to be the leader.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Who is that gentleman?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Mr. Rose. You met him once, I recall.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh. He is not initiated?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Oh, no, no. He lives in West Virginia.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, yes. In the beginning.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: In the very beginning.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, I met him. He came with another gentleman.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: That's right. His, his theory of, of death, he says, "When I die I shall cease to exist in every sense of the word. As a personal figure I shall be as unidentifiable as my ashes." No belief in immortality at all.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So why he is anxious to philosophize? If everyone is going to be finished, then why he is philosophizing? What did he..., why he is taking so much trouble? That is the difficulty—this class of men accepted as philosopher.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Oh, he became very popular through this book. I don't know how.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, if you prescribe such nonsense book, everyone will like it. (laughs) (break)</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: This is the conclusion of B. F. Skinner. He felt that the goal is to improve the world and then man. He believes that "Now, as never before, man can lift himself up by his own bootstraps, and achieving control of the world of which he is a part, he may learn at last to control himself."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That man attempted first of all to control the world?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: First control the world...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: ...and then you can control yourself. That's his theory.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If he..., if one cannot control himself, how he will control the world? How it is possible?</p>
<p>Devotee: Backwards.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Ultimately he feels that man has no duty. "It is reasonable to look forward to a time when man will seldom have anything to do, although he may show interest, imagination and productivity."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Imagination, if he thinks like that, that our society will be perfect on imagination, then what he can say? This is childish. That is going on practically. Everyone is coming, a leader like him, and he is trying to make some followers of his own imagination. That is going on.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: He, he believed...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He has got imagination. He believes in his own imagination. So others can believe in his own imagination. So who is going to follow him? He, he has to remain satisfied with his imagination. I mean, everyone has got imagination. Why he should, one should follow him?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Like, like Aldous Huxley, he feels that if happiness isn't possible through not doing anything, in the not too few dis..., in the not too distant future, the motivational and emotional conditions of normal daily life will probably be maintained in any desired state through...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He can probably, perhaps...</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: ...through the use of drugs.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, he is advocate of drugs.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Any emotional state you wish to be in, you can put yourself in that emotional state by simply taking a pill.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And put the society in chaotic condition then.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: In this way society can be controlled, through the use of drugs.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Who will control?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Well he doesn't believe in any leaders.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then who will control? Society controlled without any controller? What is the meaning?</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: It's a type of communism, where the people work together in a communal way.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How they will work together? They require Lenin, Stalin, or something like that, to force them to work. Still, in Communist country there are manager class. Not only worker class, the manager class. So this is all utopian theory. It has no practical value.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: In the United States all of the successful utopian communities have had a strong religious leader.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Leader must be there, religious or not religious. Everyone has leader. The Communist has got leader, and the spiritualists, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we have also leader. So without  leader nothing can be done. They may defy leadership, they may defy authority, but one who defies authority, he wants to become authority. So this is natural. Without leader nothing can be done.</p>
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