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<div class="heading">We do not want liberation. We want to serve the purpose of the Gosvāmīs, in association with pure devotees. To stop birth and death is not our purpose. Tāṅdera caraṇa-sebi-bhakta-sane bās, janame janame hoy ei abhilāṣ.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 14, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- October 14, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...do some kīrtana? Do you want to know more about the conference?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think we'll give you another report later on. It's successful. That's a fact. Only these are suggestions how it can be improved. We'll speak with Svarūpa Dāmodara about it. (break) ...from the devotees in France, Bhagavān's zone. In fact, it's a four-page telegram. Should I read it? It says, "Dear Śrīla Prabhupāda, please accept our most humble obeisances at your lotus feet. Knowing how dear your book distribution is to you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, the devotees in France would like to humbly offer you the results of our week-long marathon saṅkīrtana, hoping in some way to please you." Śrīla Prabhupāda? The devotees there, they went out on book distribution for twelve hours every day. All the devotees. They went out every day for seven days in a row, for twelve hours each day. And here is the results of their distribution. This is only for this one temple in France. It says, "We have distributed 25,061 hard-cover Bhagavad-gītās in one week." Twenty-five thousand, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We usually print of a Bhāgavatam 20,000 for the whole society. They distributed 25,000 Gītās in one week in French, Bhagavad-gītās in French. He says, "...to the conditioned souls of this country in seven days. We hope that these results are the biggest in the history of your movement and that they will give you some solace. Our top distributor were Bhakta Richard..." (laughter) Somebody who isn't initiated yet. "...who distributed 1,504 big books in one week." Every day he distributed over two hundred hard-cover books. That's pretty good. (laughter) That means he did about say 240 in twelve hours. He distributed about one book every three minutes for twelve hours in a row, Śrīla Prabhupāda, every day. "Jagad-vaśī dāsa, who distributed 1,125 big books; Ariṣṭa-nāśana dāsa, 864 books; Veśa-kīrti dāsa, 851 big books; Akhileśvara dāsa 835 big books; Kṛpā-siddha dāsa, 760 big books." Then they say, "Thank you for allowing us to assist you in preaching this message of Lord Caitanya in the Western countries. All glories to you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Your humble servants, the devotees in France." Pretty big distribution. Bhagavān estimates that they collected over sixty thousand dollars in one week. It's amazing. Seems like Kṛṣṇa is giving unlimited facilities to spread His glories, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. We do not want liberation. We want to serve the purpose of the Gosvāmīs, in association with pure devotees. To stop birth and death is not our purpose. Tāṅdera caraṇa-sebi-bhakta-sane bās, janame janame hoy ei abhilāṣ. (break)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if you get stronger, then on our way to America this next time you can go via France and stay in the Chateau. The French devotees this last time were not able to get your darśana, because they were busy distributing your books. So they all feel very confident that you will certainly bestow your mercy on them and stop in France next time. Bhagavān said that the cows are giving very sweet milk there. I think there there is also Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma.</p>
<p>Bhagavān: Yes, there's also Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma. (break)</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Here's your drink, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Bhagavān: That Dr. Kapoor got up after Svarūpa Dāmodara's speech today and he said that actually it was very nice that Svarūpa Dāmodara had organized this program, but actually it was not necessary, because the whole problem can be solved very easily when we understand there is no such thing as matter. He was preaching the philosophy that this material world is false. He was getting up there and saying that actually this table does not exist. (laughs) Nothing actually exists. He said the table is made of molecules, and the molecules are invisible. Therefore the table is also invisible.</p>
<p>Abhirāma: What was the scientists' reaction to that?</p>
<p>Bhagavān: He just spoke right before the thing closed. Svarūpa Dāmodara tried to point out how there is a difference between matter and spirit in that one can definitely see the difference between a living body and a dead body. But he didn't actually go in too much detail to defeat his arguments. But I was very surprised that he would come up with such a Māyāvādī statement, that brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā philosophy. There are not so many scientists there today, maybe twenty. (kīrtana) (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...let me pass. (pause)</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: If you're here with us, then that's all we need. Then we can go out and do anything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Tomorrow shall I take the risk of taking little milk?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Generally when you take milk it causes lot of difficulty with mucus. This sweet lime juice, that seems to be doing some good, though. Perhaps it might be better not to take the milk for a little while until your system becomes more healthy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Is there any difficulty from the solid food?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No taste.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: No taste. But at least it may give some strength back.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How it can if it cannot enter into the system?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: It's not being digested? If you were to take something like soup, that may be more easily digestible, just the liquids. But that would have much of the goodness...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Things like soup and vegetable juices?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Cannot take. No taste.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: At least with the chanting, that gives a higher taste.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm. What is the time now?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: About twenty minutes to six.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It will continue up to six.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Yes. Mādhava dāsa is speaking right now. Mādhava dāsa. He was speaking when I went there. There's not so many people there right now. Only about a half a dozen of the visitors were there. (break)</p>
<p>Śatadhanya: So we all became very much enlivened from this conference. I think that it has very great potential for preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness all over the world, because they cannot challenge. Even Svarūpa Dāmodara, he asked, "Can anybody debate?" And all the scientists were quiet. They could not offer any challenge. So it's very effective, a very good means to preach, and we all became enlivened by attending this conference.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the time now?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Five past six, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why don't you come around this side? They are all dressed in their shirt and ties, Śrīla Prabhupāda. They looked just like the scientists.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Give them chair.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Chairs.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: We're all right, Śrīla Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You have got coat-pant. Sit down at the...</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Prabhupāda said you've got coat and pant. He was concerned about whether you should sit or...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So sit down. Sit down on the chair.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bring some chairs, Tapomaya. Bring those chairs. Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, they are all right, I think.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no. There are other...</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda's mercy. Push that chair down. One more is coming. Svarūpa Dāmodara, sit down.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You'll get one corner light.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: See how they're all dressed, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Nice looking.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Shirt and tie.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And tilaka.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now you are seated comfortably?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We're comfortable.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: So, we are learning, Śrīla Prabhupāda. This is our first conference. And we... We are confident that we can do it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Who is seated over...?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Where is Brahma-tīrtha? He's the Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, one of the authors. Next to him is Sadāpūta, who wrote two books on quantum physics and the laws of consciousness, demonstration by mathematics that life cannot arise from matter.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I read you that in London, Śrīla Prabhupāda. That was Sadāpūta's book that we read in London.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: And next to him is Mādhava. His body is like mine-small. So we are making points that modern science doesn't know life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, you are making point, but there is no reaction from the other side?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Not so many.</p>
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