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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">This philosopher is... "This suffering cannot be dismissed. Therefore you be strong to tolerate it." Other philosophers they say, "There is suffering, so make it zero." But both of them have no information that there is real life where there is no suffering. Still there is life. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is life, but no suffering.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bali Mardana: There is a philosophy called Stoicism. They believe they... This life is meant to suffer, so they should just become very sturdy to suffer a great deal.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So sturdy or not sturdy, you have to suffer. How you can check? We cannot change by simply... Becoming sturdy...</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: No, stoic.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah. What is that?</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: It's a philosophy, a school of philosophy, stoic.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. What is their conclusion?</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: That the world is very, is full of suffering...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: ...so they become very sturdy to bear the suffering.</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: Emotionless.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So one who can suffer without any protest, he's first-class man.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: (laughs) Yeah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That means they do not know how to stop suffering.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: Yeah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The... Here is one class, they're trying to become very strong to tolerate suffering, and other philosophies, they're making everything zero. There is no question of not suffering, but making zero. No suffering, nor neither suffering. Suffering or not..., both of them abolished, dismissed. This philosopher is... "This suffering cannot be dismissed. Therefore you be strong to tolerate it." Other philosophers they say, "There is suffering, so make it zero." But both of them have no information that there is real life where there is no suffering. Still there is life. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is life, but no suffering.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: They're like owls.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause)</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: There's a river. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...duḥkha-nivṛtti. Ultimately, stop of all sufferings. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). Simply ānanda. Dancing with Kṛṣṇa, rāsa dance. Supposing if there is such life—dancing and eating and chanting, no suffering. So would anybody deny that? Is there any such fool?</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: Yeah, they're all denying.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah?</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: They deny. Just like the Puritans...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Deny... You deny or accept, that is the... Suppose there is such life where you can simply dance, eat and live eternally, happy life. Would you not like to accept it?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Yes, of course, anyone would.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Anyone would like to accept that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You see? That we are giving.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): But they think no such thing would exist.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They think, may think, but it is theoretical. Supposing there is such life, would you not accept it? You may believe, not believe. That is another chapter. First of all, this is our proposition, that there is a life like this. Would you like? So who would say "no"? Everyone will say, "Yes, I like." It is a question of understanding. There is such life, but because he is disappointed at being cheated, cheated, cheated, he thinks, "Here is also another cheating." Just see. Therefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness preaching means to convince them that there is life like this. That is propaganda.</p>
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