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<div class="heading">Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter...
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Sridhara Maharaja -- June 27, 1973, Navadvipa|Conversation with Sridhara Maharaja -- June 27, 1973, Navadvipa]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...German center, (Bengali) ektā United States.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in America.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Three in America.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Another three, Another...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Another three in Europe.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in Europe. Six.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: One in India.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (Aside) (Bengali) Why you are keeping there?</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one. Seven.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Seven. And Africa, one.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: One.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eight.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: That will be at. (eight)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And one, Australia.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Australia.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: New Zealand.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Nine, New Zealand ektā. (one)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And one...</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Canada.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Canada.</p>
<p>Devotee: Africa and South America.</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Ah, yes, South America.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: South America. What part?</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: South America. South America, kon jaegaeta (?) </p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Argentina.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Argentina.</p>
<p>Devotee: And Japan. Japan.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Japan includes now...</p>
<p>Devotee: Western United States.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Western.</p>
<p>Bhavānanda: Western United States?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. Japane lokera...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Russiate, there is big loka. I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Well, reaction will come.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Reaction already come. They do not...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sure to come... Reaction, reaction.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So they found one of my Bhagavad-gītā in the immigration. So immediately he called police. (laughs) Then he, he examined. He allowed, "All right, it is all right. It is such a rubbish." But they are not very happy country, as they advertise.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What is happiness? God is happiness.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now, apart from materially, they're poor.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: ...anudarśanam. So they are poor in intelligence. This is sattvic intelligence. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam ([[Vanisource:BG 13.9|BG 13.9]]).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anudarśanam.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Divide up higher kind of intelligence.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The Russian professor...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And the scientific fineness that is also in the jurisdiction of matter. But a more subtle and subtler knowledge is possible.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter...</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Life comes from matter.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Matter. But we, we are presenting, "No, matter comes from life."</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Apparently. This is not appropriate. This is Vedānta. Vedānta...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Janmādyasya yataḥ.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: I said that just examine the healthy body. This material world is an excema expect(?) in the healthy body.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Diseased condition, very negligent or diseased condition, very negligent part, forming very negligent part of the whole, this material world, where creation and dissolution is compulsory.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate ([[Vanisource:BG 8.19|BG 8.19]]).</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Creation and the dissolution is compulsory. That is a negligent portion of the real universe.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ekāṁśena.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Otherwise, if a major portion of a body is bad, then that cannot stand. So the major portion of the universe must be healthy, wholesome. And the negligent part is the diseased portion. That is the world, where the majority lives.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: One fourth part.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The, the possession of Satan. It is under possession of Satan. Satan means having vikṛta-jñana. That is misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is perverted. Misunderstanding is set out. Understanding is there, but it is perverted.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma-buddhiḥ. Rather, rather the enjoying principles, offensive.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sense gratification.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation. That is a vapor state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self-dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Kṛṣṇa says in Gītā,</p>
:athavā bahunaitena
:kiṁ jñātena tavārjuna
:viṣṭabhyāham idaṁ kṛtsnam
:ekāṁśena sthito jagat
:([[Vanisource:BG 10.42|BG 10.42]])
<p>Who lies, whose bed is infinite. Śeṣāśrita, Ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Kṛṣṇa is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Viśvarūpa emerged from Him. How? A big Viśvarūpa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Vṛndāvana. Vṛndāvana has been described as only sixty..., say...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eighty-four miles.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Thirty two miles. Thirty-two miles.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Somebody says eighty-four.</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Āṭhār-krośa (?) Vṛndāvana,</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah, Saloka. (?)</p>
<p>Śrīdhara Mahārāja: ...thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuṇṭha, means infinite, many of the paravyomas is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added. Again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principles. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhāgavatam or to... (Bengali)</p>
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