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[[Category:Second Class]]

[[Category:Devotee]]

[[Category:Three Kinds of Devotees]]

== Srimad-Bhagavatam ==

=== SB Canto 1 ===

'''One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth'''

<span class="SB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:SB 1.2.12|SB 1.2.12, Purport]]:''' Material devotees are more attached to material benefit than transcendental profit. Therefore, one has to make definite progress from the position of material devotional service to the second-class devotional position. In the second-class position, the devotee can see four principles in the devotional line, namely the Personality of Godhead, His devotees, the ignorant and the envious. One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth.

'''The second-class devotee, knows well the Lord, the Lord's devotees, the neophytes, and the nondevotees also'''

<span class="SB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:SB 1.18.16|SB 1.18.16, Purport]]:''' There are three classes of devotees, namely the prākṛta, madhyama, and mahā-bhāgavata. The prākṛta, or third-class devotees, are temple worshipers without specific knowledge of the Lord and the Lord's devotees. The madhyama, or the second-class devotee, knows well the Lord, the Lord's devotees, the neophytes, and the nondevotees also. But the mahā-bhāgavata, or the first-class devotee, sees everything in relation with the Lord and the Lord present in everyone's relation.

=== SB Canto 2 ===

'''The second-class devotee makes distinctions between devotees and nondevotees and accepts disciples from the section of third-class devotees or nondevotees'''

<span class="SB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:SB 2.3.21|SB 2.3.21, Purport]]:''' As stated hereinbefore, there are three kinds of devotees of the Lord. The first-class devotee does not at all see anyone who is not in the service of the Lord, but the second-class devotee makes distinctions between devotees and nondevotees. The second-class devotees are therefore meant for preaching work, and as referred to in the above verse, they must loudly preach the glories of the Lord. The second-class devotee accepts disciples from the section of third-class devotees or nondevotees. Sometimes the first-class devotee also comes down to the category of the second-class devotee for preaching work.

=== SB Canto 3 ===

'''The second-class devotee is he who is merciful and compassionate to the fallen soul'''

<span class="SB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:SB 3.21.31|SB 3.21.31, Purport]]:''' It is also said that a person who goes to the temple of the Lord and worships with great devotion, but who does not show sympathy to people in general or show respect to other devotees, is considered to be a third-class devotee. The second-class devotee is he who is merciful and compassionate to the fallen soul. The second-class devotee is always cognizant of his position as an eternal servant of the Lord; he therefore makes friendships with devotees of the Lord, acts compassionately toward the general public in teaching them devotional service, and refuses to cooperate or associate with nondevotees.

=== SB Cantos 10.14 to 12 (Translations Only) ===

<span class="SB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:SB 11.2.46|SB 11.2.46, Translation]]: An intermediate or second-class devotee, called madhyama-adhikārī, offers his love to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is a sincere friend to all the devotees of the Lord, shows mercy to ignorant people who are innocent and disregards those who are envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
'''

== Sri Caitanya-caritamrta ==

=== CC Adi-lila ===

'''One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth.'''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Adi 7.102|CC Adi 7.102, Purport]]:''' There are three classes of devotees, namely, first, second and third class. The third-class devotees, or the neophytes, who have no knowledge and are not detached from material association, but who are simply attracted by the preliminary process of worshiping the Deity in the temple, are called material devotees. Material devotees are more attached to material benefit than transcendental profit. Therefore, one has to make definite progress from the position of material devotional service to the second-class devotional position. In the second-class position, the devotee can see four principles in the devotional line, namely, the Personality of Godhead, His devotees, the ignorant and the envious. One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth.

=== CC Madhya-lila ===

'''One who is not very expert in argument and logic based on the revealed scriptures but who has firm faith is considered a second-class devotee'''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.67|CC Madhya 22.67, Translation]]: “One who is not very expert in argument and logic based on the revealed scriptures but who has firm faith is considered a second-class devotee. He also must be considered most fortunate.'''

'''He who does not know scriptural argument very well but who has firm faith is called an intermediate or second-class devotee.'''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.68|CC Madhya 22.68, Translation]]: “‘He who does not know scriptural argument very well but who has firm faith is called an intermediate or second-class devotee.’'''

'''The madhyama-adhikārī, or second-class devotee, has firm conviction in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but he cannot support his conviction by citing śāstric references.'''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.71|CC Madhya 22.71, Purport]]:''' Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has stated that if one has developed faith in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is to be considered an eligible candidate for further advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Those who have faith are divided into three categories—uttama, madhyama and kaniṣṭha (first class, second class and neophyte). A first-class devotee has firm conviction in the revealed scriptures and is expert in arguing according to the śāstras. He is firmly convinced of the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The madhyama-adhikārī, or second-class devotee, has firm conviction in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but he cannot support his conviction by citing śāstric references. The neophyte devotee does not yet have firm faith. In this way the devotees are typed.

'''Sometimes in the heart of a neophyte there is attraction for karma, jñāna or yoga. When he is free and transcendental to mixed devotional activity, he becomes a second-class devotee. '''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.71|CC Madhya 22.71, Purport]]:''' The standard of devotion is also categorized in the same way. A neophyte believes that only love of Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very good, but he may not know the basis of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness or how one can become a perfect devotee. Sometimes in the heart of a neophyte there is attraction for karma, jñāna or yoga. When he is free and transcendental to mixed devotional activity, he becomes a second-class devotee. When he becomes expert in logic and can refer to the śāstras, he becomes a first-class devotee. The devotees are also described as positive, comparative and superlative in terms of their love and attachment for Kṛṣṇa.

'''The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position with śāstric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying the śāstras and associating with a first-class devotee.'''

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.71|CC Madhya 22.71, Purport]]:''' It should be understood that a madhyama-adhikārī, a second-class devotee, is fully convinced of Kṛṣṇa consciousness but cannot support his convictions with śāstric reference. A neophyte may fall down by associating with nondevotees because he is not firmly convinced and strongly situated. The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position with śāstric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying the śāstras and associating with a first-class devotee. However, if the second-class devotee does not advance himself by associating with a first-class devotee, he makes no progress. There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with nondevotees to preach. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikārī, a first-class devotee.

<span class="CC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 22.73|CC Madhya 22.73, Translation and Purport]]: “‘An intermediate, second-class devotee shows love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is friendly to all devotees and is very merciful to neophytes and ignorant people. The intermediate devotee neglects those who are envious of devotional service.'''

This is also a quotation from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.2.46). This statement was made by the great sage Nārada while he was speaking to Vasudeva about devotional service. This subject was originally discussed between Nimi, the King of Videha, and the nine Yogendras.

== Other Books by Śrīla Prabhupada ==

=== Teachings of Lord Caitanya ===

'''The second-class devotee places his full faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, makes friends with the pure devotees, favors innocent persons and avoids those who are atheistic or opposed to devotional service.'''

<span class="OB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:TLC 11|Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Chapter 11]]:''' There are three classes of devotees according to the degree of conviction. The first-class devotee is conversant with all kinds of Vedic literature and at the same time has the firm conviction mentioned above. He can deliver all others from the pangs of material miseries. The second-class devotee is firmly convinced and has strong faith, but he has no power to cite evidence from revealed scriptures. The third-class devotee is one whose faith is not very strong, but, by the gradual cultivation of devotional service, he will eventually be eligible for promotion to the second or first-class position. It is said in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.2.45-47) that the first class devotee always sees the Supreme Lord as the soul of all living entities. Thus in seeing all living entities, he sees Kṛṣṇa and nothing but Kṛṣṇa. The second-class devotee places his full faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, makes friends with the pure devotees, favors innocent persons and avoids those who are atheistic or opposed to devotional service. The third-class devotee engages in devotional service according to the directions of the spiritual master, or engages out of family tradition, and worships the Deity of the Lord, but he is not cultivated in knowledge of devotional service, and he does not know a devotee from a nondevotee. Such a third-class devotee cannot actually be considered a pure devotee; he is almost in the devotional line, but his position is not very secure.

=== Nectar of Devotion ===

'''The purport of this description is that the second-class devotee has firm faith in the procedure of devotional service unto Kṛṣṇa, but he may sometimes fail to offer arguments and decisions on the strength of revealed scripture to an opposing party.'''

<span class="OB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:NOD 3|Nectar of Devotion 3]]:''' The second-class devotee has been defined by the following symptoms: he is not very expert in arguing on the strength of revealed scripture, but he has firm faith in the objective. The purport of this description is that the second-class devotee has firm faith in the procedure of devotional service unto Kṛṣṇa, but he may sometimes fail to offer arguments and decisions on the strength of revealed scripture to an opposing party. But at the same time he is still undaunted within himself as to his decision that Kṛṣṇa is the supreme object of worship.

'''Unlike the second-class devotee, who also cannot put forward arguments and evidences from the scripture, but who still has all faith in the objective, the neophyte has no firm faith in the objective.'''

<span class="OB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:NOD 3|Nectar of Devotion 3]]:''' The neophyte or third-class devotee is one whose faith is not strong and who, at the same time, does not recognize the decision of the revealed scripture. The neophyte's faith can be changed by someone else with strong arguments or by an opposite decision. Unlike the second-class devotee, who also cannot put forward arguments and evidences from the scripture, but who still has all faith in the objective, the neophyte has no firm faith in the objective. Thus he is called the neophyte devotee.

=== Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead ===

'''The second-class devotee can consider the Vaiṣṇavas, or the devotees of the Lord, to be representatives of Kṛṣṇa'''

<span class="OB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:KB 80|Krsna Book 80]]:''' That the Lord is represented in everyone’s heart is a fact, and therefore the highly advanced devotee offers his respects to every living entity, considering that the body is the temple of the Lord. But it is not possible for all men to come to that stage of life immediately, because that stage is for the first-class devotee. The second-class devotee can consider the Vaiṣṇavas, or the devotees of the Lord, to be representatives of Kṛṣṇa, and the devotee who is just beginning, the neophyte or third-class devotee, can bow his head before the Deity in the temple and before the spiritual master, who is the direct manifestation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

=== Renunciation Through Wisdom ===

'''One can understand the Supreme Lord as He is only by His mercy, which can elevate one from a second-class devotee to a first-class, pure devotee. '''

<span class="OB-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:RTW 5.1|Renunciation Through Wisdom 5.1]]:''' Lord Kṛṣṇa encourages all living entities with these words in the Gītā, kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati: [Bg. 9.31] "O son of Kuntī, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes." Here the Lord clearly intends to relieve all our fears. One can understand the Supreme Lord as He is only by His mercy, which can elevate one from a second-class devotee to a first-class, pure devotee.

== Lectures ==

=== Nectar of Devotion Lectures ===

'''So we must elevate ourself to the second class devotee position. To become first-class devotee, that is very difficult job.'''

<span class="LEC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:The Nectar of Devotion -- Vrndavana, November 4, 1972|The Nectar of Devotion -- Vrndavana, November 4, 1972]]:''' So we must elevate ourself to the second class devotee position. To become first-class devotee, that is very difficult job. We can expect after executing devotional service as a madhyama-adhikārī. Then we can be promoted. But if we keep ourself simply on the lower stage of devotional service, then there is chance of falling down. Sa bhaktaḥ prākṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ. Simply... Just like, generally, they keep in the kaniṣṭha-adhikārī stage. Of course, there is no loss. In any adhikāra, in any position, you are benefited because you have taken to devotional service. But our attempt should be from kaniṣṭha-adhikāra to madhyama-adhikāra. Madhyama-adhikāra means preacher. Unless one comes to the madhyama-adhikāra, he cannot preach. Because in the uttama-adhikāra there is no need of preaching, because uttama-adhikāra, he sees everything good. He does not think anyone is lacking Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He says everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious, "Simply I am not Kṛṣṇa conscious."

== Conversations and Morning Walks ==

=== 1972 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''Even the best devotee, when he preaches, he comes to the second-class devotee.'''

<span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]:''' Bob: Do you personally feel disease and sickness?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bob: Is this a result of your past karma?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Bob: This is a result of your past karma?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bob: So one in this material world never escapes his karma completely?
Prabhupāda: Yes, escapes. No more karma. For a devotee, no more karma reaction.
Bob: But you must be the best devotee, and you...
Prabhupāda: Hmm. No, I don't consider I am the best devotee. I am the lowest.
Bob: No! No!
Prabhupāda: You are the best devotee.
Bob: (laughter) Oh, no! But see, you say, what you say..., it always, always seems right.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but...
Bob: So then you must be the best devotee.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the thing is that even the best devotee, when he preaches, he comes to the second-class devotee.
Bob: What would the best devotee be doing?
Prabhupāda: The best devotee does not preach.
Bob: What does he do?
Prabhupāda: He sees there is no need of preaching; everyone is devotee. (Bob laughs) Yes. He sees no more nondevotee, all devotee.