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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary271975Tokyo_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Room Conversation -- January 27, 1975, Tokyo" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 27, 1975, Tokyo">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 27, 1975, Tokyo|Room Conversation -- January 27, 1975, Tokyo]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...flowers, fruits, and temperature is changing, it is rotating. Very fixed up, very timely. How can you say there is no control? How can you say? The animals cannot say, but any human being can say, "Yes, there is control. Otherwise how things are going on like this?" (break) ...convince him there is surely controller, convince him. (break) ...to beginning of this chapter that there is no controller. Asatyam jagad āhur anīśvaram ([[Vanisource:BG 16.8 (1972)|BG 16.8]]). Where is that verse, find out. Jagad āhur anīśvaram.</p>
<p>Nitāi: It's text 8.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah. What does it say?</p>
<p>Nitāi: It says:</p>
:asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ te
:jagad āhur anīśvaram
:aparaspara-sambhūtaṁ
:kim anyat kāma-haitukam
:([[Vanisource:BG 16.8 (1972)|BG 16.8]])
<p>Prabhupāda: Translation.</p>
<p>Nitāi: "They say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and there is no God in control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust."</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithWomanSanskritProfessorFebruary131975Mexico_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="6" link="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico" link_text="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico|Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Dhīra, one who is intelligent, he is not disturbed. Dhīras tatra na muhyati. So dhīra, one who is dhīra, sober, philosopher, he knows that "I am not going to be finished. I shall have to accept another body." Now, whether that body will be ānanda? That is the consideration. I'll get another body, just like I have got this body, after changing so many bodies. Moment after moment, we are changing body. That is the medical science, changing of blood corpuscles. So this body will be changed again. Then I will have to enter the mother's womb and packed up for at least ten months in suffocated condition. This is scientific, all. Then again I'll come out when the body is prepared nicely to come out and exist. So that period of formation of body is not ānanda. To remain compact in this way for ten months, it is not ānanda. It is not ānanda, just opposite ānanda. Then when we die... Die, death, means the miserable condition is so great that we cannot live. We have to go out. There is no ānanda. Then, when we have got this body, changing, there is no ānanda because we are sometimes diseased, and to become old man, that is also not ānanda. Therefore I am eternal. I am seeking after something which is eternal ānanda.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithWomanSanskritProfessorFebruary131975Mexico_2" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="6" link="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico" link_text="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico|Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Identity is there. That, therefore, I have already said, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānṁ. Both of them are identical so far nitya is concerned or cetana is concerned, but one is dependent, and other is maintainer. That is difference. Both of them are truth. Both of them truth. You are truth; I am truth. You are living; I am living, existing. This is truth. This is truth, but you are professor and I am something else. That is temporary. But so far you are, as living being, and I am, as living being, that is truth. But your dress and my dress, that is temporary. So we have to understand like that. In this material world we are mixed up with temporary and eternal. The living entity is eternal, but his body is temporary. This is the position. So the problem is: why the eternal has got temporary things? That is hampering his ānanda. Just like I am sitting here. Now, if somebody says, "Now you'll have to die and accept another body," this is not very pleasing to me. Or even I am sitting in this apartment, and somebody..., "No, you change your apartment. Come. Come here." Again I change another apartment. So I'll seek after: "Why I am changing this apartment? Is it not possible to get an eternal apartment?" That should be the brahma-jijñāsā. That is... Vedānta-sūtra first says, athāto brahma jijñāsā. "Why I am subjected to this change?" That is intelligence. "Why not eternal apartment if I am eternal?" That is intelligence.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithWomanSanskritProfessorFebruary131975Mexico_3" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="6" link="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico" link_text="Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico|Room Conversation with Woman Sanskrit Professor -- February 13, 1975, Mexico]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That's it. Now, this is a fact. Everyone knows that body is changing. Now, how the last body's changed? That you make experiment, how it is passing. Yes. To make experiment means you have to know the science how to make experiment. That is knowledge. You take the basic principle of knowledge, and then you make your experiment and you will know this is perfect.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Is there any direct line of division between that which you would call knowledge and that what you call religion?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Religion, as it is passing on at the present moment, "a kind of faith," this is not religion. This is not religion. According to... Religion means dharma, the characteristic. Just like you are eating something salty, something sweet. So the sugar, the characteristic, it is sweet. That is religion. And the salt is salty. The chili is pungent. So these characteristic is religion. So you'll have to find out religion, what is your real characteristic. That is religion. Now, religion is going, "I believe in this way." That is another thing, sentiment. Religion without philosophy is sentiment, and philosophy without religion, mental speculation.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationFebruary151975Mexico_4" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="7" link="Room Conversation -- February 15, 1975, Mexico" link_text="Room Conversation -- February 15, 1975, Mexico">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- February 15, 1975, Mexico|Room Conversation -- February 15, 1975, Mexico]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like the baby is, the soul is, transmigrated from baby's body to child's body, child's body to boy's body, boy's body to youthful body, so the body vanishes, and because the soul remains, he gets another body. Now I am old man. I remember I had a child's body, I was lying down. I quite remember it. But that body is not existing. So this is the example. Everyone has experience. This is transmigration of the soul from one body to another. And at the time of death, the psychological condition of the mind will carry me to a suitable body, and I shall enter into the womb of my mother through the semina of the father, and the mother will give that a particular type of body, and when it is completely manufactured, then I come out and begin my again. Therefore we find varieties of forms, but in each and every form there is the soul. Now, in the human form of life, we should utilize our intelligence that "This constant change of body, how it can be stopped?" And we should remain in our eternal body because I am eternal, but psychologically I am simply changing different forms of body, and at the time of change of body I have to undergo so many sufferings. To remain within the womb of the mother for ten months in packed up condition, it is a very terrible punishment. But for each new birth, we have to undertake this terrible suffering.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwiththreeTrappistMonksPsychologistsfromtheUniversityofGeorgiaandAtlantaLawyerMichaelGreenMarch11975Atlanta_5" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Room Conversation with three Trappist Monks, Psychologists from the University of Georgia, and Atlanta Lawyer, Michael Green -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta" link_text="Room Conversation with three Trappist Monks, Psychologists from the University of Georgia, and Atlanta Lawyer, Michael Green -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with three Trappist Monks, Psychologists from the University of Georgia, and Atlanta Lawyer, Michael Green -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta|Room Conversation with three Trappist Monks, Psychologists from the University of Georgia, and Atlanta Lawyer, Michael Green -- March 1, 1975, Atlanta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (1): So they are coming back to that kind of thing that we have not solved any questions. From the point of view of science things are changing all the time. It is very exciting. The Old Testament too and the New Testament, I don't remember everything.</p>
<p>Guest (3): ...can tie in with the idea of the spirit being eternal in Christ, and I believe Christ himself said that we have all been with him from the beginning.</p>
<p>Guest (1): And there is no beginning. According to the ideas, one group of science data, there is no beginning, and therefore there is no end.</p>
<p>Guest (5): It's the alpha and the omega then. Swami, do you see a difference or a conflict between being a devotee of Jesus and a devotee of Kṛṣṇa? May one be both?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: A devotee means, real devotee means, he has no purpose for material gain. That is real devotee. Now we have to see what kind of devotee he is. There are two kinds of devotees: with purpose and without purpose.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationMarch21975Atlanta_6" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="19" link="Room Conversation -- March 2, 1975, Atlanta" link_text="Room Conversation -- March 2, 1975, Atlanta">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- March 2, 1975, Atlanta|Room Conversation -- March 2, 1975, Atlanta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It is changing now also, they are so... Change is of the material world, in the spiritual world there is no change, absolute. In the relative world there is change. So our definition of religion is little different from the worldly definition. Our definition... "Our" means there should be the real definition: religion means the laws which are given by God.</p>
<p>Professor Fenton: Sanātana-dharma.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Sanātana... Yes, religion should be sanātana. Sanātana means there cannot be any change. Just like every living being eats, you cannot change it. You cannot say that this living entity is not eating. Apart from human society, even in animal society, a living being eats. This is his religion. Sleeps, has sex, these are eternal characteristics. Similarly, religion means spiritual characteristics. That spiritual characteristic is also pervertedly reflected in the material world. Just like every one is servant. Anyone, any one of us, we are all servant. You are serving the University.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCanadianAmbassadortoIranMarch131975Iran_7" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="29" link="Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran" link_text="Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran|Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran -- March 13, 1975, Iran]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: There is no mistake. If you have contaminated this disease, either smallpox or cholera or this or that, you must develop that disease. Therefore we should be desireless. Desireless means material desire. That material desire begins with the designation. That... The child, he has got a childish body, and he plays like a child. The same child, when he will get a youthful body, he will do like that. The soul is the same. But on account of different type of body he is acting differently. That is practical. A small child, in the childhood he will talk like nonsense. People will enjoy it. But the same child, when he is grown up and he talks like nonsense, people will call him nonsense, rascal. Why? The body has changed. The circumstance has changed. This is the real education, that we are changing body, and according to our bodily situation we are acting differently. That they do not understand. There is no school, college or education about the soul and the soul's changing different position of different body, and in this way he remains materially entangled.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithYogaStudentMarch141975Iran_8" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="31" link="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran" link_text="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran|Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It is not very highly intellectual. One has to understand first of all that he is not this body. That anyone can understand, that "I am changing my body, but I am there. Therefore I am not this body." Just like a child's coat, when he is young man, that coat does not fit him. So that young man means he has got another body. But the young man knows, he remembers, that he was a child. He was on the lap of his parents or his relatives. So that body is no longer existing. I have got a different body, but I who had the childhood body, I am existing. Is it very difficult to understand, any one of you? The body has changed. That's a fact. But I am the same. (break) What is that?</p>
<p>Devotee: The demands of the body makes it...</p>
<p>Atreya Ṛṣi: The attachment to the body...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, attachment to the body is not bad. Just like you have got a nice car. So you have got attachment for it. But you must know that you are not the car.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithYogaStudentMarch141975Iran_9" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="31" link="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran" link_text="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran|Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Oh. So these things has to be learned first, that "I am not this body, I am spirit soul. I am changing my body, and this is botheration." So if there is any way to stop this changing, that is required. That... That is possible to be done in this human form of life.</p>
<p>Young man: Is there any chance to understand how the Absolute think?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, this is the chance, human body. If you want to know, you can know. Here is the chance.</p>
<p>Young man: Is there a way of knowing that the body you inhabited before was of a inferior quality than the one you're inhabiting now, or...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Inferior quality, just like cats and dog. That is inferior quality.</p>
<p>Young man: Yeah, is there a way of knowing whether you're on the way up or you're falling?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You... Just like you infect some disease. Then it is sure that you are going to grow that disease. And if you don't infect, then you don't grow that disease. Do you know this, infection? Disease infection?</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_10" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Change. So the body has changed. But I remember that I had such a body. Therefore I am different from the body. I wish to possess again that body, to jump, but I cannot. This is the condition of my life. By nature's law I am getting one body and I am changing to another body. This is going on. So as in this life I have got this experience, that I have changed my body, similarly, the greatest authority, Kṛṣṇa, says that "When this body will be finished, you'll get another body," very simple thing. But these rascals do not understand. All these rascals, they do not understand. There is practical experience, and there is authoritative statement, and still, they do not know, and still, they are big, big professors, big, big learned scholars, doctor, scientist, philosophers. What is this?</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_11" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It is very simple thing, that "I am changing my body, and similarly, I'll change this body." This should be understood by my present circumstances of life, and it is confirmed by the greatest authority, Kṛṣṇa. Knowledge by authority and knowledge by experience, both things are there. And still, the rascals do not understand. Knowledge is gathered by experience, and knowledge is gathered from the authority. Just like I ask my father, "What is this?" Father says, "This is bell." So this is knowledge. I get it from my father. And by experience, when I push it, it is ringing. So understand, "This is bell." So two sources of knowledge: by practical experience and by authority.</p>
<p>Girl: I must believe what my father says.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That I have to. I have to take knowledge from my mother, from my father. That is the beginning of knowledge. Intelligent boy asks father, "What is this?" And father explains. Mother gives the knowledge, "Here is your father." So it is from authority. Otherwise, how you can experience who is your father? How do you get? Can you experiment who is your father?</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_12" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That's it. That is authority. That is not experiment. That is authority. Therefore knowledge by authority and knowledge by experience... So I am changing my body. You experience "I was child, I was boy, I was young man. I was middle-aged. Now I am old man." This is experience. And the authority says, "As you have changed this body, similarly, you change this body and get another body." This is authority. Then where is the lack of knowledge? So knowledge is already there in two ways: by experience and by authority.</p>
<p>Girl: This life means that I must take a better body in this life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is that?</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: What is the question?</p>
<p>Girl: No, not a question.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: First of all, we have to understand that we... There are many sources of knowledge, but the summary is that knowledge gathered by experience and knowledge gathered by, through authority. So both knowledge is helping me about the change of body. So how can you deny it?</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_13" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: But only for furniture and apartment, if you forget yourself and act in such a way, then next life you become a dog and lie on the street, then what is the use of your furniture? You are getting next life. First of all, you understand that, that "This is not the end of my life. I am eternal. I am changing my body." So it is described as dress. Now you may be dressed like a royal king. And next dress may be different. "May be" means it must be. And for the examples of the dresses—so many living entities. So you must be cautious that "What kind of dress I am going to have next?" (break) Where is that science? Where is that school, college? If you remain only confident that "I'll go on with this dress perpetually," that is not the fact. You'll have to change your dress. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). But we have no knowledge that "What kind of dress I am going to have?" It is a fact. I have already changed dress. I had a child dress. I had a boy's dress. I had a young man dress. Now I have got old man's dress. Now, Kṛṣṇa says that, "This also, you'll have to change."</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_14" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: "What kind of dress I am going to have?" It is a fact. I have already changed dress. I had a child dress. I had a boy's dress. I had a young man dress. Now I have got old man's dress. Now, Kṛṣṇa says that, "This also, you'll have to change." So why I am not inquiring "What kind of dress I am going to have?" and "How I am changing this dress?" So young man doesn't want to become old man. That is a fact. But if a young man says, "No, no, I don't want old man's dress," will it be accepted? Nature will say, "No, you must accept." Where is the remedy for this? Why these rascals do not understand that "I am fully under the control of nature's law, and I am declaring free. I am becoming philosopher"? He's fully under the control of nature's law. You have read Bhagavad-gītā. It is said, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmaṇi sarvaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). You are fully under the control of the laws of nature, and still you are thinking "I am independent. There is no superior controller." What is this nonsense? Hm? What is the answer?</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithaGermanGirlandAssortedDevoteesMarch301975Mayapur_15" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur|Interview with a German Girl and Assorted Devotees -- March 30, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: As these boys are changing their habits and their ideas, so similarly, it can be done to the mass of people.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: Is that all right?</p>
<p>Girl: Ja.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Jaya. (aside:) Stop that also. (break) ...kṛpana bahu-duḥkha-bhājaḥ, yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham ([[Vanisource:SB 7.9.45|SB 7.9.45]]). This gṛhastha life is a concession for sex life. Otherwise, there is no need of gṛhastha life. But everything can be used to make the best use of a bad bargain. That is another thing. Actually, to become free from all responsibility and anxieties, if one remains a brahmacārī, that is very good. That is the recommendation of śāstra. But if you cannot... Because the material world is going on under sex impulse, by nature the sex impulse is there. He will agitate you.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril51975Mayapur_16" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="46" link="Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur|Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, he said, "field of enjoyment." He said. What is this nonsense?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He was changing the Gītā.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Preacher (?) Where it is taken?</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Well, Kṛṣṇa says that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Where says? Why do you speak like nonsense, "This body is for enjoyment"?</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: No, field.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Kṛṣṇa says that the living entity is the enjoyer of the field and the body is the field.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is another thing.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril61975Mayapur_17" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="47" link="Morning Walk -- April 6, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 6, 1975, Mayapur">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 6, 1975, Mayapur|Morning Walk -- April 6, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Anything nonsense you do, that is scientific, artist.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Now the scientists have another plan for changing all the plastic to eatable foodstuffs.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: There's something they put on the plastic so you can now eat it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like the Germans, they extracted fat from stool. And that was used as butter. This is scientific. They'll have to eat stool even. They have eaten. In the last war, concentration camp, they have eaten their own stool. There was no food. So nature will punish them in that way. They'll eat everything. This godless civilization will lead people to such condition of life. Kadharya bhakṣaṇa kare, tara janma adho pate yaya. This life they will eat everything, all nonsense thing, and next life they become pig, cats, dogs. That's all. This will be.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithDevoteesApril141975Hyderabad_18" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="53" link="Conversation with Devotees -- April 14, 1975, Hyderabad" link_text="Conversation with Devotees -- April 14, 1975, Hyderabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Devotees -- April 14, 1975, Hyderabad|Conversation with Devotees -- April 14, 1975, Hyderabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. We say there was Kali-yuga. Four yugas are changing.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dinosaurs also?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're from Kali-yuga?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kali-yuga, any yuga. The things are going on by nature's way, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi... ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). They're going on.</p>
<p>Devotee: But if we have bones from so many yugas ago...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. There are 8,400,000 species of life. You have seen some of them. That's all.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithGovernorApril201975Vrndavana_19" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana" link_text="Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana|Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Now we should take standard śāstra and follow and establish educational institution to train them. Otherwise, simply by crying in the wilderness, what will be the result? Now some result is there because I am practically training them. And before me, all the swamis went there. They lectured, that's all. So what is the meaning of lectures unless you train them? That "Our Hindu religion is very great, very nice, and whatever you like, you can do. It doesn't matter." Then where is the training? Now little effect is there because I am training them. As soon as one comes to me for becoming disciple, I place before him that "You have to give up all these habits." When he agrees, then I accept him. And therefore I have got some selected, trained-up men. So there must be this training college, institution, and proper training according to the śāstra. Then there is possibility of changing the whole situation. Then what is next?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithKimCornishMay81975Perth_20" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="62" link="Room Conversation with Kim Cornish -- May 8, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Conversation with Kim Cornish -- May 8, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Kim Cornish -- May 8, 1975, Perth|Room Conversation with Kim Cornish -- May 8, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You are a person and I am a person. You are changing bodies and I am changing bodies.</p>
<p>Kim: And through all the changes there is the ātman that continues.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Who is here first of all? You are a person. I am a person. You are hearing, I am speaking. We are two persons. So why you say one?</p>
<p>Kim: Two bodies.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, two bodies, just like two dresses. You are differently dressed, I am differently dressed, but that does not mean that we are one. We are one as ātmā. Just like you are Australian, I am Indian, but as human being we are one. But as Australian, as Indian, we are different. Therefore we are one and different at the same time.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCarolCameronMay91975Perth_21" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="64" link="Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth|Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes, they are changing. Just like he said, "Thou shall not kill." They are now changing, "Thow shall not commit murder." They are doing that.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Yes. They have a modern Bible, using all modern terminology.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So, when you change, then the authority is lost. Just like in our society, sometimes they do something nonsense and they say, "Prabhupāda said." (laughter) They are doing that. We know that. It is deteriorated like that. Therefore Kṛṣṇa said, sa kāleneha mahatā yogo naṣṭaḥ kaunteya: "And in due course of time, this yoga was lost. Therefore I am repeating the same thing, old philosophy to you." So it requires like that.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay101975Perth_22" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="65" link="Morning Walk -- May 10, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 10, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 10, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 10, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Bhagavad-gītā is not that, five thousand years ago, not like that. Just like you cannot say the sun is now coming. It is there. It is there always. You are seeing now. They used to think like that—at night the sun is dead. These rascals. And they are advanced. They used to think that this earth is square. (laughing) And they are advanced. They are changing their opinion daily. That is their scientific knowledge. Why should they change?</p>
<p>Amogha: They say this means they are discovering the truth, step by step.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That means you do not know the truth. That is a fact. You do not know—simply speculating. You are accepting some spot—this is truth. And after some days, "No, no, this is not truth, this is truth." This is your position.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Many of the scientific textbooks that were written twenty years ago are all outdated. Can't use them any more.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Useless. So this scientific at the present moment, after twenty years they'll be useless. This is your scientific.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay111975Perth_23" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="66" link="Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They'll never agree. The other day I was there in Kurukṣetra. They have got their own plan-mānava-dharma, this dharma, that dharma. Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya: ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]) "You give up all these. Kick out all this so-called rascaldom. You just surrender unto Me." That they will not do. Except this, everything which is going on in the name of religion, that is cheating. Everyone is misinterpret... Just like Christians, they have misinterpreted: "Kill means murder. It is meant for man." That means they are making their own lusty desires fulfilled in the name of Bible, that's all. Everyone is doing like that. They are changing. Mass opinion is now homosex. They are passing abortion. They are passing... What is this? This is their business. For fulfillment of their lusty desires and greediness, they are bringing the authority of Bible, Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on in the name of religion.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay131975Perth_24" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="69" link="Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They are doing?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Well, they're changing, but they can't become pregnant. That's the only thing. They take these special hormones, and then they can grow breasts and everything just like a woman. But they can't become pregnant.</p>
<p>Amogha: In the newspaper there was an article about two weeks ago about a Christian church in America where they have a naked dancer come.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hmm?</p>
<p>Amogha: They had a lady who dances, taking off her clothes, so the people will come to church. (laughter)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ācchā?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithJustinMurphyGeographerMay141975Perth_25" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="71" link="Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth|Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, no, no, it is not the same body. Just like in your childhood, when you were a boy, you had no sex impulse. Now you have got sex impulse. The body of a child, the body of a boy, they cannot understand sex life because the body is different. And now, because you have got different body, you can feel what is sex life. So it is imperceptibly changing. Therefore we think that it is growing. But it is changing. It is changing swiftly. Just like in the cinema spool. The picture is changing, but because it is changing so swiftly, you are seeing that one man is moving. That is the fact. There are hundreds and thousands of pictures passed on. When you see that "This man is taking the stick and bringing this way," this means there are many pictures. So similarly, it is like a spool. Your body is changing every moment. That is medical science.</p>
<p>Justin Murphy: Absolutely. Yes. At every moment.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So changing. So you are changing your body. That's a fact. But because you are seeing all in one spool, you are thinking, "It is growing; it is moving." That's all. But it is changing. This is the science. So body is changing. And you remember that you had such-and-such body. Therefore you are different from the body.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithJustinMurphyGeographerMay141975Perth_26" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="71" link="Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth|Room Conversation with Justin Murphy (Geographer) -- May 14, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So changing. So you are changing your body. That's a fact. But because you are seeing all in one spool, you are thinking, "It is growing; it is moving." That's all. But it is changing. This is the science. So body is changing. And you remember that you had such-and-such body. Therefore you are different from the body. This is the science. So unless we understand that "I am not this body. I am different from the body. I am changing bodies. Therefore I will have to change this body and accept another body..." This is the science, beginning of scientific knowledge. Without understanding this fact his advancement of knowledge is simply for eating, sleeping, sex, and defense. That's all. There is no advancement. According to Vedic literature, he remains animal. Sa eva go-kharaḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 10.84.13|SB 10.84.13]]).</p>
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<div id="DiscussionMay151975Perth_27" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="73" link="Discussion -- May 15, 1975, Perth" link_text="Discussion -- May 15, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discussion -- May 15, 1975, Perth|Discussion -- May 15, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Nobody is independent. And still, everyone is thinking independent, "I can do anything I like." Yesterday morning we were talking. You are independent. That is, means, misuse of independence. Just like in a state every citizen is independent but dependent on the state laws. If he forgets that, that "I am not dependent on the state laws," then he is foolish. Similarly, if one does not know that "The nature's law is the God's law, state laws; I cannot violate it," (sic:) then he is sober. Dhīras tatra na muhyati ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). One man is dying. A dhīra knows that he is changing his body; he is not dying. He will get another body. Dhīra, sober. And one who is not sober, he says, "No, life is finished." Or he can imagine he is going to heaven or hell. But a dhīra knows what is going to happen to him. If he was in the material modes of nature, goodness, then he is going to higher planetary system. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti. From śāstra we can understand. If he is in passion, then he will stay in this material world.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay201975Melbourne_28" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="83" link="Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Eh, yes. Do you think that solving the problem of birth, death and old age and disease is very easy task? (chuckles) You have to very, very strongly... Those who do not care, that is another thing. They are under these laws, going on. Life after life, they are changing body, again birth, again death, again in the womb of mother. They do not take it seriously, how risky life is that. They do not take it. "Oh, what is that?" Now, in Kali-yuga, the mother is killing the child. Even within the womb of mother is not safe. This is going on. So they do not take that how this way of life is risky and uncomfortable. They do not take it seriously. To enter again into the womb of mother, how difficult job and troublesome it is, they do not understand it. For want of education.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithTwoLawyersandGuestMay221975Melbourne_29" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="88" link="Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne" link_text="Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest 3: I don't think it's necessary that it fails. I don't... I think things are changing definitely throughout the world. It's a matter of which course they take.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, what changing? They are preparing for war again. Where is changing? A slight provocation, there may be war.</p>
<p>Guest 1: Yes, but people are changing now. You're getting the young people who for the first time in years are becoming aware and are getting interested in things outside their own town, their own individual state or whatever it is they have. You have people, the young people now are getting interested in things like poverty, they're interested in Bangladesh and so on. This is good. But you nonetheless have a very large proportion of the people who have got that idea of, "I'm all right, and I'll look after mine without taking the overall picture into account." And I think that so long as you have different concepts, different beliefs, it's going to be very hard to get into what you're talking about.</p>
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<div id="RadioInterviewMay251975Fiji_30" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji" link_text="Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji|Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Their duration of life, material standard of living, very, very comfortable, thousand times better than here. So Kṛṣṇa says that if you like to go to the higher planetary system, you can go there. That it is said, yānti deva-vratā devān ([[Vanisource:BG 9.25 (1972)|BG 9.25]]). If you cultivate yourself for going to the higher planetary system... But first of all we have to understand that we are eternal, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. We are simply changing body. This is material condition. Either lower grade of bodies or higher grade of bodies, but we have to change. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). Just like we are changing our bodies from childhood to babyhood, babyhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, then old age, similarly, when this body will be finished, no more usable, then we'll have to accept another body. But we... The present civilization is so foolish they do not know—even big, big professor; I have talked—that there is life after death.</p>
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<div id="RadioInterviewMay251975Fiji_31" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji" link_text="Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji|Radio Interview -- May 25, 1975, Fiji]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Now here we have to decide which way again we shall go. We have come by the evolution, by nature's way. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). Nature has brought us and given us a chance, whether we shall go to our original spiritual life or we shall remain in this material world by changing body one after another. That is to be decided. Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is educating people that "Stop your so-called material advancement. You come again, back to home, back to Godhead."</p>
<p>Therefore our paper's name is Back to Godhead. Don't make any false advancement. You will never be happy. This is our propaganda. It is called nivṛtti-mārga. Nivṛtti-mārga means stop material way of life; begin spiritual way of life and come to Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, back to home, back to Godhead. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti ([[Vanisource:BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]). If you cultivate spiritual life, then, after giving up this body... We have to give up. This is material body.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay281975Honolulu_32" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="93" link="Morning Walk -- May 28, 1975, Honolulu" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 28, 1975, Honolulu">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 28, 1975, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- May 28, 1975, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. Weather is changing. Weather is changing. Śītoṣṇa, it is called śītoṣṇa. Sometimes it is cold; sometimes it is hot.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Can I ask you where you come from?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I have come from India.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Oh, you came from India? Yeah? Oh. Which part? Ceylon?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. I come from Bengal.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Oh, Bengal, uh huh.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You have been in India?</p>
<p>Guest (2): No. I often wanted to go, but I really never had a chance.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You can come. We have got very good place. You can stay there.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune21975Honolulu_33" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="96" link="Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- June 2, 1975, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...be superintend when the garden opens. (break) ... saw the question, but he cannot answer. So he began to write words like this, whole book, and the examiners saw that it has no meaning. But he has coined so many words. They said, "Very intelligent." They passed him. (laughter) Now, "upperfluous." You don't find all these words in dictionary. "Upperfluous rain of agua was dogbendikulali gondolized by lacticism of wine." It appears very gramatically nice composed, but it has no meaning. So he coined such words, a full book. Because he could not answer. So the time was there. He began to coin words. And he was passed, for his intelligence. Similarly, these people are putting words which you cannot understand, and they are getting their salaries, that's all. (break) ...invent something, that they will not die, there will be no disease, there will be no old age. That is something. What is this nonsense, simply speculating? (break) The cloud is standing there. It is not systematic. Then why the gravitation is not working? There are millions and millions tons of water. Why the gravitation is not working? The law of gravitation, why it is not working? Don't work with a rod.(?) What is the answer? They are not systematic changing. Why? Why the gravitation is not working, fall down? They are heavy, very heavy when they, what is called... Agitation. What is called?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune101975Honolulu_34" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="100" link="Morning Walk -- June 10, 1975, Honolulu" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 10, 1975, Honolulu">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 10, 1975, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- June 10, 1975, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, no. His non-acceptance means he's a rascal. He's a rascal. He may waste his time in that way. What can be done? His non-acceptance means he's a rascal. It's evident. Anyone knows that "After this, I will get another body." You are all young men. You know that you will get after some years a body like me. So what is the difficulty to understand that we are changing body?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: So actually it's useless to try to give any more proof other than that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is sufficient for an intelligent man. That is sufficient.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: So if a scientist or someone who has some degree in science comes to our movement, should we encourage him to try to prove through science the Kṛṣṇa conscious principle of transmigration and eternal quality of the soul?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not necessary. Not necessary.</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: Better if he just...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not that if we prove scientifically there is soul, if there is scientific proof, not that all the people of the world will become Kṛṣṇa conscious, even if you do that. So it is useless. You simply understand what is stated by Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalksJune18191975Honolulu_35" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="103" link="Morning Walks -- June 18-19, 1975, Honolulu" link_text="Morning Walks -- June 18-19, 1975, Honolulu">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walks -- June 18-19, 1975, Honolulu|Morning Walks -- June 18-19, 1975, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: There are also the trees, animals, the river, the fruits, the flowers, the father, the mother, the beloved girls, beloved boys, sporting among the cowherd boys, going to the forest, the cows and calves, everything. So that attraction is required. The Māyāvādī philosophers, they are thinking, "Again attraction like this? So make it zero, no attraction. Become zero." So their philosophy is zero philosophy. That is also no information of the spiritual world, Buddha philosophy and Māyāvāda philosophy, śūnyavādī, nirviśeṣa, without varieties or zero. Without varieties means zero. So two philosophers. But therefore they invent: "Anything is all right." They invent. After all, they want zeroism. (break) ...pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ. (break) ...one increases the attraction for Kṛṣṇa, they will never be happy. (break) ...simply changing attraction on the material platform under different names. That will be failure. (break) Dr. Wolfe is missing that evolution?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune211975LosAngeles_36" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="104" link="Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bahulāśva: This Professor Stahl, he was saying that his experience is that everything is changing and temporary. So therefore he was thinking that that is the nature of all things, that they are temporary.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Temporary, this (indistinct). Why this "temporary" word has come into existence unless there is the opposite, "eternal"? Why do you use this word, "temporary"? When you say, "It is fraud," and there must be something as honesty. Otherwise, why this "fraud" has come? Hm? We say, "This is light"—means there is something as darkness. This is relative world. The Professor Einstein said relativity. This is relative: as soon as there is darkness, there must be light. Otherwise, how you understand light and darkness? So unless there is eternity, how do you bring this word, "temporary"? What is their answer?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune211975LosAngeles_37" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="104" link="Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 21, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Unless there is father, there is no meaning of the word son. Unless there is husband, there is no meaning of the word wife. This is the relative world, and they are accepting this relativity. So how they can deny? As soon as you "temporary" say, you must accept there is eternity.</p>
<p>Bahulāśva: We were telling him that although everything is changing, he was still existing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, existing, but why you are in change? That is the question. "I am existing," that we say, but we are trying to solve the problem of changing. But this changing is not very happy, to die and again accept another body and remain to, in the womb of the mother to develop that body in an airtight condition. So why these foolish persons do not take it as very miserable? And with the risk of being killed by the mother. Nowadays their abortion and killing. So is it very nice life, that you die and you enter into the mother's womb to develop another body? And that also not secure. Is that very nice life? (break) Write many articles on this subject matter and prove them that "You are all fools." (break) ...major problem, they have left aside.</p>
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<div id="GardenConversationwithProfessorsJune241975LosAngeles_38" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="109" link="Garden Conversation with Professors -- June 24, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Garden Conversation with Professors -- June 24, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation with Professors -- June 24, 1975, Los Angeles|Garden Conversation with Professors -- June 24, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...which is fact? The dreams and phases of different life while passing through, they are facts or I am fact? What is your answer? We are teaching that, you take care of the fact, not of the dreams. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. That is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). We are changing circumstances. The circumstances are not fact but the whole world is taking care of the circumstances not of the sheer fact. This is the defect of modern civilization. We are very much serious about the passing on circumstances, but we are not serious about the person who is going through the circumstances. This is the whole defect of modern civilization. And that is the beginning of real life. If we take care of the circumstances, that is being done by the cats and dogs and hogs, everyone. Where to find eatables, where to find sex, where to find shelter for sleeping, and how to defense—these circumstances are understood by the animals. There is no need of education. Just like this morning I pointed out. The bird is catching a small fish, "Fut!" He knows where to find out his eatable. And that you cannot do. You also eat fish, but you jump over and take a fish. You cannot do that.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune281975Denver_39" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="116" link="Morning Walk -- June 28, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 28, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 28, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- June 28, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (break) ...you will find today's text. It has given very nice example, that the prostitute changes her dress to attract people. Similarly, we are changing our dress for sense gratification. Yes. (break) Nature, material nature, has been described as the prostitute, and we are trying to become the husband of the prostitute. Has anyone become happy by becoming husband of a prostitute? (laughs) (break) ...Paṇḍita has said, duṣṭā bhāryā śāṭhaṁ mitraṁ bhṛtyaś cottara-dāyakaḥ, sasarpe ca gṛhe vāso mṛtyur eva na saṁśayaḥ. A prostitute wife, duṣṭā bhāryā, and dupli..., what is called, duplicity? One who speaks something and heard something? What is called? Hypocrite.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "Hypocrite friend and prostitute wife and servant replying, duṣṭā bhāryā śāṭhaṁ mitraṁ bhṛtyaś cottara..., and sasarpe ca gṛhe vāso, and living in a room where there is a snake, mṛtyur eva na saṁśayaḥ, he will die." There is no doubt about it. His life will be spoiled. This is the Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's. (break) ...name of this park?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly21975Denver_40" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="120" link="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Ambarīṣa: So it is changing every second.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like this is a car, machine, but if I want a bigger car, that means another car, not this car is growing. Suppose sometimes you get baby car. That is not sufficient. I want big car. So you cannot say that increase the baby car and it becomes a sedan car. That means you require another big car. A child, a child cannot have sex in that body. The same child, when he wants to enjoy sex, he must have another body. So these rascals, they cannot understand how different machines has been supplied by nature. It is supplying.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Yes, I think it's...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: As soon as you want another machine, immediately it is... Svābhāvikī bala-kriyā ca parāsya śaktir vividhaiva. His potencies, his merit, is acting. Not his merit, means the nature's merit, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]), it is working so swiftly. You cannot see. The same example as I give always, that the movies spool, each is a different picture, but when it is put into the projector, you cannot understand. But actually on the background there are different pictures.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly21975Denver_41" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="120" link="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Not seven years. A medical man says every moment the blood corpuscles are changing.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Are different?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. New blood cells are coming into being. So you cannot say machine growing. That is fallacious. A machine, new machine. (Everyone gets out of car)</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: New machine, jaya.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: As soon as I want a smaller car, not smaller car, I want bigger car, smaller car also. That is change. Whatever you deserve. You desire; at the same time, you deserve. First deserve, then desire. Just like these rascals, "I desire to become God." That kind of desire will never be fulfilled.</p>
<p>Yadubara: It's according to the qualification also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Your position is very minute. So you can desire up to that limit, not that you can desire "I become complete, universal." That is the defect of the Māyāvāda. "Because I am equal... So 'ham. Because I am qualitatively one, therefore I am one in every respect." A drop of ocean water, if he desires, "I become ocean,"</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly21975Denver_42" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="120" link="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That if you call it a machine, how the machine can grow?</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: The machine is changing at every second.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You say two things: "Growing" and "machine." So that is incomparable. Machine cannot grow.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: Jaya. (break)</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: ...many machines. You get another machine, another one, and another and another.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So I have changed so many machines. So death means another machine. Where is the difficulty?</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: When the spirit soul leaves the body, the body continues to change, it deteriorates?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Spirit soul is changing machine. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. So when this machine is finished, and another machine.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly21975Denver_43" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="120" link="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 2, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That example is given, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya ([[Vanisource:BG 2.22 (1972)|BG 2.22]]). Just like your dress, when it is useless, you throw it away and take another dress. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya gṛhṇāti naraḥ aparāṇi. You accept another set of dress. Clearly explained. (break) ...also very scientific. Just like according to your last life's desires, you have got this dress, this body. So it is going on, going on, going on. Now you are creating another set of desires in this life. So you require a different dress. Then you begin another satisfaction of your desires. This is going on. Karmāṇa daiva-netreṇa: ([[Vanisource:SB 3.31.1|SB 3.31.1]]) by your karma, you are creating a situation. Just like the criminal, he has created a situation; he cannot live anymore outside the jail. "Come on, here." He will go in automatically. So they do not know how nature is working. It is clearly said, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). "Nature is working, and that nature is working," mayādhyakṣeṇa ([[Vanisource:BG 9.10 (1972)|BG 9.10]]), "under My superintendence." Everything is there. Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram. Jagat, it is changing, always changing. How it is changing? Under the direction of God. Mayādhyakṣeṇa.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly31975Denver_44" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="122" link="Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (1): We were discussing in Bhagavad-gītā class last night that during our life we are changing our bodies so many different times, and at the time of death we are also changing our body to another body.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, you get another body.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): What is the difference of changing our body during our lifetime and at death?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is... I have said many times. Just like you are using this shirt, and it is not usable, you throw it and again accept another. (break) ...understand this is a difficult problem. (laughs) (break)</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: ...second we are dying.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Dying means changing body, that's all.</p>
<p>Ambarīṣa: So we're changing bodies all the time.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is going on. You will find it. A creeper is growing. Today she, it is, leaf has grown so much, and next moment you'll see, it has grown so much.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly31975Denver_45" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="122" link="Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver|Morning Walk -- July 3, 1975, Denver]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Kuruśreṣṭha: ...the same body, but just the parts are changing. They say that it's not actually the whole body that's changing, but just you're changing parts like...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is nonsense. "Parts are changing, the body is not changing." Just see. (laughter) Just rascaldom. "Parts are changing, body is not changing."</p>
<p>Suraśreṣṭha: Just like a car—you take spark plugs and put new spark plugs in, but still, it's the same car.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: When the whole parts are changing, then where is the original body? When the whole parts are changed, then it is to be concluded the body is changed. There are so many parts. If this is changed, this is changed, this is changed, then where is the original body? (laughter) Just see their rascaldom.</p>
<p>Yadubara: Parts make up the whole.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. "The parts are changing, the whole is not changing." Just see. Therefore we say rascals only.</p>
<p>Suraśreṣṭha: They say that the brain stays the same, that the brain cells never...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore take them as rascal. Everything is changing.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: You brain is the same as it was when you were an infant?</p>
<p>Kuruśreṣṭha: They say that there's new information coming in, but the brain cells don't die.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithLtMozeePolicemanJuly51975Chicago_46" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="127" link="Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago" link_text="Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago|Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: And I have known many instances. In Calcutta one very rich man's son in the evening he would take his bath and dress nicely, and he would go to the Howrah station and beg, cheat men: "I have lost my purse. Will you kindly help me?" And any gentleman: "He has lost..." And he will go to the restaurant and eat and go home. That was his habit. He was a very rich man, but his habit was this. So we have to change the habit by changing the heart. You know very well. Many thieves, they have committed many times theft and put into the jail. So he knows that "If I commit theft, I will go to the jail." He has practically seen it, and he knows it. Still, he steals. Why? Because heart is unclean. So this process will cleanse the heart. Unless he cleans the heart, you cannot stop criminality simply by laws. Laws are already known. The professional thief, he knows the law. The professional murderer, he knows the law. But still, he commits because heart is unclean. And our process, to cleanse the heart. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]), it is Sanskrit, "Cleansing the heart." Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam, "Then all the troubles of this material world will be solved."</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithMrMrsWaxWriterandEditingManagerofPlayboyMagazineJuly51975Chicago_47" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="128" link="Room Conversation with Mr. &amp; Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine -- July 5, 1975, Chicago" link_text="Room Conversation with Mr. &amp; Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine -- July 5, 1975, Chicago">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Mr. &amp; Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine -- July 5, 1975, Chicago|Room Conversation with Mr. &amp; Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine -- July 5, 1975, Chicago]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So if we take up the statement of Bhagavad-gītā, then five thousand years ago this was spoken for the second time, and first time it was spoken forty millions of years ago. Therefore it is permanent, not that something new. It is existing eternally. Sometimes we are missing, and sometimes we are accepting, but it is existing eternally. You cannot trace out the history. Our calculation of history means we are trying to make the eternal time relatively limited with our life. But the time is eternal. We are changing our forms of life many, many million times, but the time is there. So the calculation of past, present, future is relative according to the duration of my life. An ant's past, present, future is not the same past, present, future as of human being. The past, present, future is relative according to the duration of life and body. So Brahma's past, present, future and our past and present, future is not the same. So time is eternal, and past, present, future is calculation of relative knowledge. That is not correct.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithwriterSandyNixonJuly131975Philadelphia_48" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="141" link="Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia" link_text="Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia|Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness you achieve the goal of life. In the present condition we are accepting one body, and we are dying after a few days. Then accept another body. And that body is according to your activity. There are 8,400,000 different types of body. You can get any one of them. You'll have to accept one body. That is called transmigration of the soul. So if one is under this consciousness that "I am eternal. Why I am changing body? How to solve it?" that is intelligence. And not to work like cats and dogs and die, that is not intelligence. One who makes solution of this problem, he is intelligent. So therefore this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the ultimate solution of all problems of life.</p>
<p>Sandy Nixon: What transformations does one undergo on the path of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No transformation. The consciousness is there. It is now filled with all rubbish things. You have to cleanse this, and then Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Just like water. Water is, by nature, clear, transparent. But when it is filled up with rubbish things, it is muddy. You cannot see very clearly.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithBernardManischewitzJuly131975Philadelphia_49" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="142" link="Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia" link_text="Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia|Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes, you are reborn every moment. You were like this child sometime. Is this body the same? You think your body is the same when you were a child like that, lying down on the lap of you mother? Is the same body?</p>
<p>Bernard Manischewitz: No, my body is different from a child's body.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So different body means you are changing body every moment, imperceptibly. That is the medical science.</p>
<p>Bernard Manischewitz: Can it sometimes be perceptibly? Can a person...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Perceptibly we can understand that the body is being changed so long you are within this body. Because if the person, the soul, is not in the body, the body does not change. Body changes so long the soul is there. And as soon as the soul goes out of the body, there is no more change. Is it not perceptible?</p>
<p>Bernard Manischewitz: If the soul goes out of the body...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no more change. It remains the same. Same status. Why? That means so long the soul is there, changes take place.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithBernardManischewitzJuly131975Philadelphia_50" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="142" link="Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia" link_text="Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia|Room Conversation with Bernard Manischewitz -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bernard Manischewitz: I see. Thank you very much. I understand.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, every intelligent man will understand this very simple thing, that so long as the body..., the soul is within the body, the body is changing. And as soon as this body... Just like you are old man, I am old man, the body is no more possible to be changed; somehow or other then I'll have to accept another body. That is called transmigration. The modern so-called scientists, philosophers, they do not understand this plain truth, and they are passing on as big scientists, big philosopher, misleading public.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): This is for my wife. She's getting second initiation.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh.</p>
<p>Bernard Manischewitz: Thank you.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So give him some prasāda.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly201975SanFrancisco_51" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="150" link="Morning Walk -- July 20, 1975, San Francisco" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 20, 1975, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 20, 1975, San Francisco|Morning Walk -- July 20, 1975, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Complicated. The experiment is there. Observation is there. Everything is there. And the eternity is there. Kṛṣṇa begins like reasonable gentleman, not humbug. He says, tathā-dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]), very good example, that "As in this, body is changing from this stage to this stage, this stage, this stage, step by step, similarly," tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ, "similarly another body." So where is the difficulty to understand? So if this is accepted, then immediately you can accept that the soul which is changing body, he is eternal. Na jāyate na mriyate. Therefore he was never born, never died.</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: When Arjuna came, he was suffering so much distress, but Kṛṣṇa did not give him any psychological test to see what was the matter with him. He immediately knew it was because he was in the bodily conception of life.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, the thing is that you say that it is life which makes matter move, but the scientists, they don't accept that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they are rascals. How it is moving?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly251975LosAngeles_52" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="154" link="Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...my anxiety, that in my absence you may neglect Deity worship. Then the whole thing will be spoiled. That is my anxiety. (break)</p>
<p>Rādhā-vallabha: ...are very worried. They say the earth has a certain tilt, and every few million years the tilt is changing little, little, and by this changing eventually the ice on the North and South Poles will melt, they say. So they are very afraid because then their estimate is that the entire earth will be covered with water.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why he is..? Why he is afraid?</p>
<p>Rādhā-vallabha: Well, they are afraid for future humanity. They will all be killed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He is not careful about himself. He is thinking... He cannot take care of himself, he is thinking of others.</p>
<p>Rādhā-vallabha: They this is a humanitarian attitude, to worry about the future.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So to protect yourself is not humanitarian? You are "dogtarian"? You cannot protect yourself and thinking about humanity. You are also human being. Why don't you take care of you first of all?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly251975LosAngeles_53" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="154" link="Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- July 25, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yadubara: ...that theory is correct, isn't it, in a sense, that the bodies are always changing? The bodies are always changing, so from the outward appearance it seems that the evolutionary theory is correct.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is... We, accepting evolution. But their evolution is that there is no soul who is the proprietor of the body. That they do not know.</p>
<p>Yadubara: So there is no meaning to their theory then.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because in beginning is mistaken. (break) ...your education from wrong platform, then whole thing is wrong. (break)...study means that "I am this dress," then do you study me properly? So that is their intelligence. They are studying, Darwin studying, this body and no knowledge of the proprietor of the body. (break)</p>
<p>Rādhā-vallabha: They argue that this Vedic philosophy is coming from India, and in India there is so much disease and so many problems, but here, where we have our science, there is no disease.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they are now fond of you. The Indians have become infected by you; therefore they are diseased. You are all diseased, and now you infected them, they have also become diseased.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust211975Bombay_54" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="174" link="Room Conversation -- August 21, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 21, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 21, 1975, Bombay|Room Conversation -- August 21, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Lalitā: You are changing actually, transforming.</p>
<p>(Bengali) ....Rajneesh... (Bengali) She has to go to the temple, take the prasāda, serve to... (Bengali)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Bengali) ...Kartik Bose... (Bengali) ...Kartik Bose's laboratory... (Bengali) ...Gauḍīya Maṭha... (Bengali)</p>
<p>Lalitā: (Bengali) ...Māyāpur... (Bengali) ...Vṛndāvana... (Bengali) ...Hare Kṛṣṇa mandir... (Bengali) ...Guru Mahārāja... (Bengali) They are so impressed, the way they are putting the śaṇkha and then, you know, ārati... (Bengali) The same time the door opens and the same time the śaṇkha. (Bengali) Sincere, sincere devotee.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sincere devotee. (Bengali) At least... (Bengali) ...hundred men come... (Bengali) They have nothing to do with the</p>
<p>politics. (Bengali) Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 5.18 (1972)|BG 5.18]]). (Bengali) Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅksati ([[Vanisource:BG 18.54 (1972)|BG 18.54]]), samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. (Bengali) ...India government... (Bengali)</p>
<p>Lalitā: The project will be failure. (Bengali)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Bengali) ...village... (Bengali) ...the cooperation... (Bengali) I like this position, dictatorship. Personally I like this. (Bengali) ...America... (Bengali) "What is your opinion about this?" Must criti... Yes, criticized policy of Indira Gandhi. (Bengali) ...is spiritually inclined. If she improves, it will be perfect. She wants to be improved.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober31975Mauritius_55" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="198" link="Morning Walk -- October 3, 1975, Mauritius" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 3, 1975, Mauritius">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 3, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 3, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That is my question. That is answered in Brahma... Yasyājñayā, by the order of Govinda it is being done.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The seasons are changing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakraḥ. The orbit fixed up to the sun by the order of Govinda, that is being followed by him.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Does the heat of the sun increase or decrease through the ages?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything is in the hand of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But they are thinking He is just a historical figure.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore they're rascals. Why do you say like that?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithBillFaillreporterOctober81975Durban_56" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="207" link="Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter) -- October 8, 1975, Durban" link_text="Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter) -- October 8, 1975, Durban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter) -- October 8, 1975, Durban|Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter) -- October 8, 1975, Durban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Spark. Yes. Fire, big fire and spark fire—both of them fire, but one is big and one is very small. So our relationship with God is eternal. At the present moment, on account of contact with this material energy, we have forgotten our relationship with God. Therefore our life is problematic. We are facing so many problems. So again, if we revive our original consciousness, then we shall become happy. So this is the sum and substance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now, the process how to revive our original consciousness. There are different processes, but at the present moment people are very, very fallen. This is called the age of Kali—means most fallen. Most fallen. The so-called material advancement is not the solution because God is eternal, we are eternal, and in the material condition we are changing our body. On account of our ignorance we are thinking "I am this body," but I am not this body. I am that spark, spirit, part and parcel of God.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithProfessorOlivierOctober101975Durban_57" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="210" link="Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban" link_text="Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban|Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, scientific reality. Therefore I raised that question. But nobody could reply properly. They thought it a kind of Hindu conception. No. That is not Hindu conception. That is the basic principle of living condition. We are changing body, and there are so many varieties of body. We may enter in any one of them after death. That is the real problem. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). Nature's work is going on. This body is a machine. This machine, just like a car, has been offered to us by material nature, by the order of God, Kṛṣṇa. And we are moving, transmigration. So the real purpose of life is to stop this migration, transmigration, perpetually from one body to another, one body to another, and revive our original, spiritual position so that we can live eternally, blissful life of knowledge. That is the aim of life. The whole Vedic conception is based on this principle.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithProfessorOlivierOctober101975Durban_58" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="210" link="Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban" link_text="Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban|Room Conversation with Professor Olivier -- October 10, 1975, Durban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We are now conditioned by the laws of material nature, and we are carried away by the laws of material nature and transmigrating from one body to another, sometimes happy, sometimes distressed, or sometimes heavenly planet, sometimes lower planet. This is going on. And human life is meant for stopping this process of transmigration and revive our original consciousness, and go back to home, back to Godhead, and live eternally, blissful life of knowledge. This is the whole scheme of Vedic literature. And Bhagavad-gītā is the synopsis how to attain this life. Therefore, the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā begins to understand the constitutional position of the soul. Then other things. First of all we have to understand what we are, whether I am this body or something else. This is the first understanding. So I was trying to explain this, but that Mr. Chadda, he would bring that "You want to introduce Hindu conception." It is not Hindu conception. It is the scientific conception. I am a child for some time. Then I become a boy for some time. Then I become a young man, some time. Then I become old man. In this way I am changing body. This is not Hindu conception or Vedic conception. This is a fact. But he would not hear that. He would simply say, "You are trying to push Hindu conception of..." And what is this Hindu conception? It is equally applicable to everyone.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDurbanOctober131975New2003_59" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="212" link="Morning Walk -- Durban, October 13, 1975 (New-2003)" link_text="Morning Walk -- Durban, October 13, 1975 ">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- Durban, October 13, 1975 (New-2003)|Morning Walk -- Durban, October 13, 1975 ]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They do not believe that there is soul and that soul's business is first business. They do not know that, neither they do accept it. They are under nature's law, very simply explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, dehino ’smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā. By nature's law you have to change your body. It is evident. Still, they will not believe. We’re changing body every moment, and they will say, big, big professors, that after the body is finished, everything is finished. This is ajñāna. And that is going on as education, whole world. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." The whole world is in ignorance, so we are giving them wise instruction. They are thinking, "These people are crazy men." That's all.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: How were the leaders, though, of India so weak when the British first occupied that they allowed this all to take place?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There was no Indian leader. That was occupied by the Mohammedans. They were deteriorating. Yes. Besides that, Indian mass of people, they were never trained to become nationalist. They thought, "Let anyone become king."</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober161975Johannesburg_60" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="216" link="Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg|Morning Walk -- October 16, 1975, Johannesburg]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. That is going on. Therefore price is increasing daily. Formerly British government, in the beginning, to prove their honesty, as soon as you go to the currency for changing, they will offer you, "You want coins or paper currency?" So if you think that paper currency will be convenient, you can take. Otherwise, if you want coins, they will pay you.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Gold coins.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, gold, silver, whatever you want. That was the... Now this is stopped. You can not ask now gold coins and silver coins. Whatever government will give you, you have to accept. Where is honesty?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Śrīla Prabhupāda, in South Africa they have a coin called the Krugerrand. And one rand is worth one hundred cents, one rand of paper money. But one rand gold is worth about seventy-eight rand.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just see.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober251975Mauritius_61" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="224" link="Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Harikeśa: By chemically changing the genes in the living being we can, before conception, make a superior...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You can... First of all you be beaten with shoes. That's all. Then you can.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: No, we've actually done it. We've changed some genes and made some people better. By experimentation we can make people...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And your big, big cities are full with hippies. You cannot induce them to give up their LSD, and you are making better men. Better men is going to become worse. Just see how cheating.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: Oh, you mean once we make the better men they'll just degrade again.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Simply bogus propaganda.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober251975Mauritius_62" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="224" link="Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 25, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone commits mistake. Anyone who is conditioned, he must commit mistake. This is our position, that anyone who is not liberated, he must commit mistake. We take knowledge from liberated soul, not from the speculators. That is the difference.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They prove their inadequacy by changing their theories every twenty years.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Cyavana: They've proved that their brains are weak.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, they have no brain. If it is going to change, then what is their brain? (break) Still, there are so many big, big Vedic astronomers. They never change.</p>
<p>Cyavana: The astronomers.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. They follow the old principles.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober261975Mauritius_63" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="225" link="Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Why Bible is authority? Who cares for Bible? Nobody cares for Bible. So there, some supporter for some book, these, you will always find it. Huh? Now they are decrying, deriding Bible also. So how do you say that Bible is authority when so many things have changed?</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Even they are changing their interpretation of the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: ...Bible regularly.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So if you don't accept Aquarian Gospel authority, who cares for your Bible? At least Aquarian Gospel has been written by some Christian. It is not outsider.</p>
<p>Harikeśa: They say he was a drunk.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But you are a mad. He is drunk, and you are mad. Where is the difference? So, if we can go? (break) It was a statement that the earth is flat.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober281975Nairobi_64" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="226" link="Morning Walk -- October 28, 1975, Nairobi" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 28, 1975, Nairobi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 28, 1975, Nairobi|Morning Walk -- October 28, 1975, Nairobi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Jñāna: From day to day it is changing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Jñāna: From day to day it is changing. Even this afternoon it may be very clear.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This city park is very big.</p>
<p>Devotee (4): It goes in that direction.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We shall go now?</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Yes, Prabhupāda. (break)</p>
<p>Cyavana: The soul is all-pervading, throughout the body.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. What he questions, you did not hear?</p>
<p>Cyavana: Are there many living entities within the body?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You do not know that?</p>
<p>Cyavana: Yes. There are other living entities.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationOctober291975Nairobi_65" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="228" link="Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi|Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Our posit..., normal position, is to love and serve Kṛṣṇa. Therefore anādi bahir mukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gela ataeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karila. Because we do not know... From time immemorial we cannot ascertain when this incidents have happened, to forget Kṛṣṇa, but it is practically... Life after life, life after life, we are changing body, but forgetting Kṛṣṇa. So here, in the human form of life, there is the opportunity to revive our original position, and we require the help of knowledge, perfect knowledge. And that is there in the Vedas. Atha eva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karila. If we don't take advantage, although we have got... We can read Bhagavad-gītā, and if we don't take advantage of Bhagavad-gītā and go on whimsically, then we'll suffer. You cannot non-cooperate with Kṛṣṇa as you cannot non-cooperate with the stomach. This is the... You must. There is no question of alternative. You may, may not know. It is not. You must. This is the position. Otherwise you'll never be happy. And happiness is your aim of life. Atyantika-duḥkha-nivṛttiḥ. We are... I'm suffering from this knee's trouble because I am in this material world. I have got this material body. So atyantika-duḥkha-nivṛttiḥ means no more material world, no more material body.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationOctober291975Nairobi_66" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="228" link="Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi|Room Conversation -- October 29, 1975, Nairobi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It is dependent. Just like all of a sudden some idea come to us. That means we had contact with such idea. It is compared with... Just like there is a big pond. All of a sudden, you see, from within a bubble comes "phut!" There is no reason, but it comes. That means the thing is there within the pond, the situation. All of a sudden, without any time, it comes. They put this chance theory like this. But this is not chance. If... Because we are changing our life, so everything is recorded in the mind, dictaphone. So sometimes some idea which I had contact with many, many years ago, it comes. It comes. It is not chance. I had contact with such thing. All of a sudden, that idea comes. We shall go now.</p>
<p>Devotees: Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) ...I am in the car, they offer me.</p>
<p>Woman: Oh, all African, small boys.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They understand this is good.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkNovember161975Bombay_67" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="242" link="Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Any animal, he knows that "I am ass." Dog knows, "I am dog." Similarly, if you know "I am Hindu," "I am Mussulman"— the same conception. What is the difference? If a dog thinks "I am dog," and if you think that you are Indian, then where is the difference? Simply by changing the name you become very big man? The conception is the same.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): That point is not clear.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is clear. Just like two dogs. He is thinking, "I am dog of this quarter," and another dog is thinking, "I am this dog. Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" So what is that? Does that make any difference? Similarly, you are thinking, "Indian," he is thinking, "American." Fighting like dogs. Where is the difference between the dog and this conception?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkNovember171975Bombay_68" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="243" link="Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, rascal is meant, who has no authority. They are changing every day. They are changing. We don't change. These rascals are changing...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: These fundamentals, sir, cannot be changed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: In nineteenth century one theory and twentieth century another theory and then another theory, another theory. This is going on.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: The truth is not changed but...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, they are changing. You see here... You have not seen that, our Svarūpa Dāmodara's book? He has given: simply changing, simply changing, these rascals. Changing means rascal. He does not know. "It is this. It is this." Another man, "No, no, it is not this. It is this." Therefore all of them rascals.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkNovember171975Bombay_69" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="243" link="Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- November 17, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. That is rascal. How things are happening—every ten years they are changing their theory. And that has been explained by, not by a layman like me. The Dr. Svarūpa Dāmodara, he has explained. He has concluded Darwin's theory completely wrong. You have read that small booklet?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And he has given reason, quotation, how simply he's speculator.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: As a matter of, sir, the whole cosmos is full of, I mean, intelligence. That is God. But then that intelligence is struck in different way to the, what you call the mind, which is embedded in the matter. So, I mean, each one explains it in his own way, as he understands...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. You cannot explain truth in your own way.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: The whole truth nobody knows and sees. Even our śāstra says.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Things which one does not know, he should not try to cheat others by placing some untruth.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkNovember301975Delhi_70" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="252" link="Morning Walk -- November 30, 1975, Delhi" link_text="Morning Walk -- November 30, 1975, Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 30, 1975, Delhi|Morning Walk -- November 30, 1975, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tejās: Every six months they've been changing the ministers.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That means mismanagement. (break)</p>
<p>Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They do this all over the world. They change... Like in America, President Ford just dropped the Defense Secretary just like that. So that created such a big controversy.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: I read a very interesting article, and the theme was that once a month, every month at least, one government is now collapsing or being overthrown. That was the theme of the article.</p>
<p>Indian man (1): In U.P. they change the government after every two, three months. Yesterday also they make authorization to rule in U.P. from yesterday. They change the government like that after every few months.</p>
<p>Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Now Dr. Channa Reddy must have become busy because when the presidents rule then the governor has to do some work. Otherwise in India the governors, they do no work.</p>
<p>Indian man (1): He takes instruction from president.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: In America in the upcoming elections in 1976, one of the biggest candidates is a movie actor, Ronald Reagan. Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: For presidentship?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationDecember141975NewDelhi_71" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="261" link="Room Conversation -- December 14, 1975, New Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation -- December 14, 1975, New Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- December 14, 1975, New Delhi|Room Conversation -- December 14, 1975, New Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: And this change of bodies take place in the lower animal life automatically, by nature's law. Prakṛte kriyamānāni guṇai karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ. But when comes to the form of a human being, on account of developed consciousness, he has got responsibility. He has to make his choice. He is suffering in this material world changing different types of bodies, one after another, and the propensity to lord it over the material world is going on. Now he has to change the consciousness, whether he wants to continue this propensity for lording over the material world, or he wants to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. This choice has to be made by the human being. If he makes his choice after getting good education from the right source, that "I am going on in the wrong way, by the desire to lord it over the material nature but I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa therefore I must surrender now. Bahūnā janmanām ante jñānavān mām... This is wisdom. And if we do not get this wisdom, simply like animals we continue to lord it over the material nature, by acquiring money. Dharma, artha, kama. Then we are spoiling our life.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember171975Bombay_72" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="263" link="Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We are talking of real mahātmās, not politicians.</p>
<p>Man: No, no. He was changing after brahmacārī, his life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I do not know, but...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: He took a big vow. He took a big vow at the age of forty-three years. That mahan, mah-vrata, what they call it? For not indulging in sex.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is one of the qualification...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is one of them. But by controlling their sex, people derive much (indistinct).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is a fact.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Because I think woman is the personification of māyā. You can say that way. The whole thing is revolving round that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But if you become strong, Kṛṣṇa conscious, it may go away. māyām etam taranti te: there is no more māyā.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember181975Bombay_73" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="264" link="Morning Walk -- December 18, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 18, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 18, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 18, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not in his interest because it is changing. Suppose a person comes to a foreign place, and he becomes only interested in where he is staying, and after a week he is driven away. Then what is interest? You are eternal; you must have eternal interest.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That education comes from the Vedas.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore we say that there is no education. They do not know what is interest. They are making a small limitation, that "This is my country. My interest is to become a national. I will sacrifice my life for this, that, this..." Whole world is going on like this. Na te vidhuḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: And, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is brahmacārī. Where is that education?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember241975Bombay_74" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="268" link="Morning Walk -- December 24, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 24, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 24, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 24, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Phenomena is changeable, always changing. Just like this samudra—sometimes here, sometimes there.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes, right, sir. But why the samudra changes? We go into there, into deep depth of that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is truth. That is truth. By the yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro, that is truth. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **. That is truth. The phenomena, that is changing. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate ([[Vanisource:BG 8.19 (1972)|BG 8.19]]).</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Are you going tomorrow?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Tomorrow at what time?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I do not know. What time?</p>
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<div id="ConversationonRoofDecember261975Sanand_75" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="271" link="Conversation on Roof -- December 26, 1975, Sanand" link_text="Conversation on Roof -- December 26, 1975, Sanand">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation on Roof -- December 26, 1975, Sanand|Conversation on Roof -- December 26, 1975, Sanand]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They do not find gold. That is the position. So expert knowledge is Kṛṣṇa. He therefore begins: dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). Within this body, the living force, that is the soul. Because that soul is there, it is changing body, different. Try to understand that active principle. And where is that understanding? They simply putting different theses. They do not, neither do they know antithesis or synthesis. So our.... We know the thesis, antithesis and synthesis, that this soul, living entity, is within this body. Now the body is important so long the soul is there. Otherwise, body is a lump of matter. So the soul is suffering. He's seeking after enjoyment, but he's suffering. So therefore.... The most prominent suffering is death. That he cannot avoid. Or he's not.... The so-called materialistic scientists, they have not been able, neither they do know, who is the sufferer or enjoyer. They take this body. The same fiber platform. So actually they are rascals.</p>
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