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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" class="section" sec_index="1" parent="compilation" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2>
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<div id="SB_Canto_7" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="SB Canto 7"><h3>SB Canto 7</h3>
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<div id="SB71117_0" class="quote" parent="SB_Canto_7" book="SB" index="493" link="SB 7.11.17" link_text="SB 7.11.17">
<div class="heading">Sometimes brāhmaṇas protest against our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement for creating brāhmaṇas from Europeans, or, in other words, from mlecchas and yavanas. This movement, however, is here supported in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. At the present moment, society is in a chaotic condition, and everyone has given up the cultivation of spiritual life, which is especially meant for the brāhmaṇas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:SB 7.11.17|SB 7.11.17, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Except in a time of emergency, lower persons should not accept the occupational duties of those who are higher. When there is such an emergency, of course, everyone but the kṣatriya may accept the means of livelihood of others.</p>
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<div class="purport text"><p>The occupational duty of a brāhmaṇa should not be accepted by persons in lower social orders, especially vaiśyas and śūdras. For example, an occupational duty of the brāhmaṇa is to teach Vedic knowledge, but unless there is an emergency, this professional duty should not be accepted by the kṣatriyas, vaiśyas or śūdras. Even a kṣatriya cannot accept the duties of a brāhmaṇa unless there is an emergency, and then even if he does so he should not accept charity from anyone else. Sometimes brāhmaṇas protest against our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement for creating brāhmaṇas from Europeans, or, in other words, from mlecchas and yavanas. This movement, however, is here supported in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. At the present moment, society is in a chaotic condition, and everyone has given up the cultivation of spiritual life, which is especially meant for the brāhmaṇas. Because spiritual culture has been stopped all over the world, there is now an emergency, and therefore it is now time to train those who are considered lower and condemned, so that they may become brāhmaṇas and take up the work of spiritual progress. The spiritual progress of human society has been stopped, and this should be considered an emergency. Here is solid support from Nārada Muni of the movement known as Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
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<div id="Lectures" class="section" sec_index="4" parent="compilation" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2>
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<div id="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Lectures" text="Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures"><h3>Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonBG94MelbourneApril231976_0" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="308" link="Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976" link_text="Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976">
<div class="heading">That is real Vedic culture, how to create brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa—eight.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976|Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">This is Vedic system, varṇāśrama-dharma. Now it is foolishly going as Hindu dharma. What is the Hindu dharma? Hindu is not found even in the scriptures. This is a name given by the Mohammedans. Sindu. There is a river, Sindu. From Sindu it has come, "Hindu." Actually the Vedic culture is varṇāśrama-dharma, four varṇas and four āśramas. That is real Vedic culture, how to create brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa—eight. This is called varṇāśrama-dharma.</p>
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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Lectures" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures"><h3>Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonSB1213LosAngelesAugust161972_0" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="66" link="Lecture on SB 1.2.13 -- Los Angeles, August 16, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.2.13 -- Los Angeles, August 16, 1972">
<div class="heading">Therefore the whole society is suffering; there is no brāhmaṇa, or the head. We are creating brāhmaṇas so that the society may be saved. We are not creating rascals; we are creating brāhmaṇas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.2.13 -- Los Angeles, August 16, 1972|Lecture on SB 1.2.13 -- Los Angeles, August 16, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So when you come to the system of varṇāśrama, this is by nature. It is creation of God, just like in your body there are four divisions—the brain, arms, belly and legs divisions. So how can you avoid? This is natural. Unless you have got brain, if your head is cut off from the body, then what is the value? It is dead body. Similarly, at the present moment there is no brahminical culture. There may be very strong arm department, there may be very well-equipped economic department or labor department, but because the head is not there, it is a dead body. Therefore the whole society is suffering; there is no brāhmaṇa, or the head. We are creating brāhmaṇas so that the society may be saved. We are not creating rascals; we are creating brāhmaṇas. So if you all are responsible, if you know your duty, try to save the society, especially in your country, America. By God's grace you have enough of everything. And you have got intelligence also, otherwise how you are coming? Unless you are born of intelligent father and mother, how you are taking this?</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1214LosAngelesAugust171972_1" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="68" link="Lecture on SB 1.2.14 -- Los Angeles, August 17, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.2.14 -- Los Angeles, August 17, 1972">
<div class="heading">Just like nowadays, at the present moment, we are creating brāhmaṇas, but people do not much like us. They do not care for us: "What is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa?" Their street... They are thinking they are beggars. But they are the most intelligent class, brāhmaṇas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.2.14 -- Los Angeles, August 17, 1972|Lecture on SB 1.2.14 -- Los Angeles, August 17, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Everyone is searching after some service, service, service. So this service attitude means śūdra. Paricaryātmakaṁ karma śūdra-karma svabhāva-jam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]). In the śāstras, therefore, it is said that the brāhmaṇas, even there is some difficult time... Just like nowadays, at the present moment, we are creating brāhmaṇas, but people do not much like us. They do not care for us: "What is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa?" Their street... They are thinking they are beggars. But they are the most intelligent class, brāhmaṇas. They do not honor. So this Kali-yuga, actual intelligent class of men has no honor. A third-class man, fourth-class man, fifth-class man has got honor if he gets some money. That is the system of Kali-yuga. Somehow or other, you gather money and you are fifth-class, tenth-class man—you will be honored. This is Kali-yuga. Not for your qualification, but because you have got money, you are honored. This is going on.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1522VrndavanaAugust31974_2" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="144" link="Lecture on SB 1.5.22 -- Vrndavana, August 3, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.5.22 -- Vrndavana, August 3, 1974">
<div class="heading">This movement is creating brāhmaṇas. People now require a brāhmaṇa, the head. Of course, we are not manufacturing anything. Everything is there. Everything is there in the śāstra. We do not invent anything.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.5.22 -- Vrndavana, August 3, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.5.22 -- Vrndavana, August 3, 1974]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, no. In those days the whole planet was Bhāratavarṣa. Therefore it is called Mahābhārata.</p>
<p>Indian: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That was not small. That was very big. Parīkṣit Mahārāja was going on tour because he was the emperor of the whole planet.</p>
<p>Indian: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now it is divided.</p>
<p>Indian: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that was another thing. That was for, fight for the right cause. Not for... It may be politically like that, but the division was there, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. And the last, Kṛṣṇa's compromising plan was that "After all, they are kṣatriyas, these five brothers. They cannot take the business of a vaiśya or brāhmaṇa. So give them five villages so that they may be satisfied, ruling over these..." "No, not even land holding the upper portion of the needle." Then there was fight. Then there was fight.</p>
<p>So as far as possible... Of course, our, this movement is creating brāhmaṇas. People now require a brāhmaṇa, the head. Of course, we are not manufacturing anything. Everything is there. Everything is there in the śāstra. We do not invent anything. Yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 16.23 (1972)|BG 16.23]]). The, we, are trying to follow as far as possible, and we are teaching that, that whatever is there...</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1841MayapuraOctober211974_3" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="243" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.41 -- Mayapura, October 21, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.41 -- Mayapura, October 21, 1974">
<div class="heading">So far we are concerned, we also offer sannyāsa to the brāhmaṇa, not to the śūdras. But according to quality we create brāhmaṇa, not that we are offering sannyāsa to the śūdras. No.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.41 -- Mayapura, October 21, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.8.41 -- Mayapura, October 21, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So in Śaṅkara-sampradāya, strictly, unless one is born in brāhmaṇa family, he's not offered sannyāsa. He's not given sannyāsa. So far we are concerned, we also offer sannyāsa to the brāhmaṇa, not to the śūdras. But according to quality we create brāhmaṇa, not that we are offering sannyāsa to the śūdras. No. The principle is: sannyāsa can be offered only to the brāhmaṇas. So one may not mistake that we are offering to the..., offering sannyāsa to the mlecchas, yavanas, as they complain. Some of my Godbrothers, they criticize like that, that I am offering sannyāsa to the mlecchas, yavanas. This is wrong idea. This is nārakī-buddhi. Actually, a Vaiṣṇava is above this varṇāśrama-dharma. But we don't claim that we have become perfect Vaiṣṇava. We are not so impudent. We want to remain under the Vaiṣṇava. Under the Vaiṣṇava.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB231LosAngelesMay191972_4" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="374" link="Lecture on SB 2.3.1 -- Los Angeles, May 19, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 2.3.1 -- Los Angeles, May 19, 1972">
<div class="heading">So this human form of life is specially meant for becoming brāhmaṇa.
We are therefore creating brāhmaṇas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 2.3.1 -- Los Angeles, May 19, 1972|Lecture on SB 2.3.1 -- Los Angeles, May 19, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Such nice beautiful body, you American boys and girls-nice country, good facilities, no poverty—everything is very nicely given to you. But, if in spite of all these facilities, if you don't take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you are kṛpaṇa, miser. "Miser" means one who has got money, but he cannot utilize it. He is miser. And one who knows how to utilize money... There are many merchants. They get a few thousands of dollars from their father, but due to intelligence he increases to millions of dollars. That is intelligence. And miser, or foolishness, is that "I get some money from my father, but I spend it for nothing." So this human form of life is specially meant for becoming brāhmaṇa.</p>
<p>We are therefore creating brāhmaṇas. We are not creating śūdras. Śūdras are already there. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Anyone born is a śūdra. Śūdra means who has no knowledge, ignorant. He is called śūdra. Paricaryātmakaṁ kāryaṁ śūdra-karma svabhāva-jam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]). Śūdra is not intelligent. He cannot do anything nice, thoughtful. "Ehh, get some work, get some few dollars daily. Eat and sleep." That is śūdra. They cannot do anything independent.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB552HyderabadApril131975_5" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="529" link="Lecture on SB 5.5.2 -- Hyderabad, April 13, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 5.5.2 -- Hyderabad, April 13, 1975">
<div class="heading">Kṛṣṇa, whatever Kṛṣṇa speaks, it is for the whole world. Therefore we are creating brāhmaṇas in the Western countries. You'll have to import brāhmaṇa from there.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 5.5.2 -- Hyderabad, April 13, 1975|Lecture on SB 5.5.2 -- Hyderabad, April 13, 1975]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Acyutānanda: Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā ṣṛṣṭaṁ: ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]) is it applicable to India alone, or the whole world?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Whole world. Kṛṣṇa, whatever Kṛṣṇa speaks, it is for the whole world. Therefore we are creating brāhmaṇas in the Western countries. You'll have to import brāhmaṇa from there. (laughter) As you are importing milk powder. All cows finished. So brāhmaṇa is finished. So you have to import brāhmaṇa from Europe and America.</p>
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<div id="Initiation_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Lectures" text="Initiation Lectures"><h3>Initiation Lectures</h3>
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<div id="InitiationLectureExcerptLondonSeptember71971_0" class="quote" parent="Initiation_Lectures" book="Lec" index="41" link="Initiation Lecture Excerpt -- London, September 7, 1971" link_text="Initiation Lecture Excerpt -- London, September 7, 1971">
<div class="heading">There is necessity of creating brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇava. This movement is meant for that purpose.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Initiation Lecture Excerpt -- London, September 7, 1971|Initiation Lecture Excerpt -- London, September 7, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So it is not the aim of human life, to become a tiger. It is, the aim of human life is to become a devotee of Viṣṇu, Vaiṣṇava. That is perfection of life. So we are, this movement, we are giving the highest benediction to the human society. They are becoming Vaiṣṇava. There is great necessity of Vaiṣṇava at the present moment because everyone has become śūdras. Kalau śūdra sambhava. And because it is, everywhere the śūdras are there, how there can be peace? They do not know. They have no brain how to make the society peaceful and prosperous. They are śūdras. They have no intelligence. There is necessity of creating brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇava. This movement is meant for that purpose. So be careful. Don't be turned again to śūdra and mlecchas. Go on making progress to become pure Vaiṣṇava. Then your life is successful and you'll give the best service to the human society.</p>
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="ConversationwithProfKotovskyJune221971Moscow_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="8" link="Conversation with Prof. Kotovsky -- June 22, 1971, Moscow" link_text="Conversation with Prof. Kotovsky -- June 22, 1971, Moscow">
<div class="heading">In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: (BG 4.13) "These four orders of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra is created by Me according to quality and work." There is no mention of birth. There is no mention of birth.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Prof. Kotovsky -- June 22, 1971, Moscow|Conversation with Prof. Kotovsky -- June 22, 1971, Moscow]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yei kṛṣṇa tattva vettha sei guru hāya. Anyone who understands the science of Kṛṣṇa, he can become...</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: Guru.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...the spiritual master.</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: I understand. But in generally, by creating brāhmaṇas from different social classes of society, really you deny the old prescription of Hindu script...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, I establish old, old scrip... I establish.</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: Because according to old script, the Purāṇas, etc., every member of one of the four classes, these varṇas...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: ...is to be born inside it...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no.</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: ...but not appointed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no, no. No, no, no.</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: This is the major...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, that... I am sorry...</p>
<p>Prof. Kotovsky: ...foundation of all the varṇas.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You are not speaking correctly. I beg... We beg... With great respect I beg to submit, you are, that you are not speaking correctly. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]) "These four orders of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra is created by Me according to quality and work." There is no mention of birth. There is no mention of birth.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrKaranSinghNovember251971Delhi_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="29" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi">
<div class="heading">Now we are creating brāhmaṇas from America, from Australia.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi|Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So everyone can become happy like Arjuna if he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, that's all. I was studying your book.</p>
<p>Dr. Singh: My book? Where did you see my book, Swamiji?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Dr. Singh: This one? Where on earth did you get this? This is just one little lecture.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: You secretary gave it to us.</p>
<p>Dr. Singh: Really? In fact, we must get Swamiji to sign your books. I have got all your books.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So some of the points... What was the points?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: That every statement of Hinduism in the context of the nuclear age assumes tremendous importance.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So that we are doing.</p>
<p>Dr. Singh: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We are giving shape to your philosophy. Just like it was the conception that in India there are brāhmaṇas only. Amongst the Hindus, there are brāhmaṇas.</p>
<p>Dr. Singh: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Is it not? Now we are creating brāhmaṇas from America, from Australia. Is it not re-creation of (indistinct)?</p>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithSanskritProfessorAugust131973Paris_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="64" link="Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor -- August 13, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor -- August 13, 1973, Paris">
<div class="heading">The first initiation, according to Jīva Gosvāmī, that is sufficient. Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, that is sufficient. But still, to purify them more, the second initiation, Gāyatrī, is given. So we are creating brāhmaṇas in the western countries.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor -- August 13, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor -- August 13, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Professor: How many levels of initiation do you have?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Two.</p>
<p>Professor: Two. The first...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: First initiation, experimental...</p>
<p>Professor: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra. Then, as he practices, becomes more purified, then second initiation. Gāyatrī. Gāyatrī-mantra. But the first initiation, according to Jīva Gosvāmī, that is sufficient. Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, that is sufficient. But still, to purify them more, the second initiation, Gāyatrī, is given. So we are creating brāhmaṇas in the western countries. Yes.</p>
<p>Professor: Yes. I know. Don't you think it's against the dharma-śāstra?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Professor: No. Tell me why?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). There is nothing, such thing as janma.</p>
<p>Professor: Oh. Very nice.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithBankerSeptember211973Bombay_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="77" link="Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay">
<div class="heading">So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means we are creating brāhmaṇas. So others, they should cooperate. Then their life will be also perfect.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Therefore I have already explained. There must be a class of men like me. They are called brāhmaṇa. They should help others. One who cannot rise so early, they will help him by his knowledge. He, the man who cannot rise early in the morning and cannot take the brahminical principle, śūdra, kṣatriya, vaiśya, he should be helped with the knowledge acquired by the brāhmaṇa. Just like the same example. The leg. Leg is not brain. The brain will give direction to the leg, "You go this side." Then it is perfect. The leg has no brain, but the brain is there. If he takes the advice of the brain and goes... Just like... It is called the logic of blind and lame. There is a lame man and there is a blind man. The lame man cannot walk, and the blind man cannot see. They should join. The blind man took the lame man on his shoulder, and the lame man giving direction, and the blind man is going nicely. So by the cooperation of the blind and the lame, the work is done perfectly. Andha-kañjatā-nyāya. Similarly, it is not required that everyone has to become brāhmaṇa. Neither it is possible. So if the brāhmaṇa and the śūdra combine together, work, then both their lives will be perfect. Here you cannot expect everyone as brāhmaṇa, in this material world. That is not possible. Because in the material world three qualities are working. So one may be brāhmaṇa, another may be kṣatriya, another may be vaiśya, another may... So they should cooperate. Then everyone's life will be perfect. That is the program. That is cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means we are creating brāhmaṇas. So others, they should cooperate. Then their life will be also perfect. </p>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationJune51974Geneva_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="99" link="Room Conversation -- June 5, 1974, Geneva" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 5, 1974, Geneva">
<div class="heading">A devotee is no longer śūdra. We are creating brāhmaṇas. Just like these Europeans and Americans.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 5, 1974, Geneva|Room Conversation -- June 5, 1974, Geneva]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Swiss Man (2): (French)</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: He says this seems to be somewhat different from the traditional Hindu practice, since in the Manu-saṁhitā, for example, śūdras are not to be instructed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, but we do not keep him śūdra. A devotee is no longer śūdra. We are creating brāhmaṇas. Just like these Europeans and Americans. They, according to Manu-saṁhitā, they are mlecchas, yavanas. But we are not keeping them mlecchas and yavanas. Just like these European and American boys. They are accepting the Vedic regulatives principles: no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. So they are no more śūdras or caṇḍālas. They are brāhmaṇas.</p>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkJanuary131976Calcutta_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="11" link="Morning Walk -- January 13, 1976, Calcutta" link_text="Morning Walk -- January 13, 1976, Calcutta">
<div class="heading">If I am creating brāhmaṇas, how he is low class?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 13, 1976, Calcutta|Morning Walk -- January 13, 1976, Calcutta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was saying that to Jayapatāka, that they're Mongolians. So the same criticism that everyone has said against you.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is that?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That you are making mlecchas and yavanas brāhmaṇas. I think that that Mongoloid race is also considered like that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I do not follow what you say.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, my point is that they're always feeling that you are creating brāhmaṇas amongst such low-class persons. So I see that they...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If I am creating brāhmaṇas, how he is low class?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, we don't agree that he is low class.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. If he says we are creating brāhmaṇa, then where is low class? From logical point of view.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoRupanugaTokyo3May1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="218" link="Letter to Rupanuga -- Tokyo 3 May, 1972" link_text="Letter to Rupanuga -- Tokyo 3 May, 1972">
<div class="heading">The Krishna Consciousness movement is meant for re-establishing the system of four varnas and asramas, then there will be progress of civilization. We have got such a nice process that even from the base sudras we can create brahmanas of highest calibre.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rupanuga -- Tokyo 3 May, 1972|Letter to Rupanuga -- Tokyo 3 May, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Your idea to recruit many brahmacaris is nice. We need a class of men purely brahmanas. The whole world is full of sudras. The Krishna Consciousness movement is meant for re-establishing the system of four varnas and asramas, then there will be progress of civilization. We have got such a nice process that even from the base sudras we can create brahmanas of highest calibre. All the presidents of our centers should see that all the members are strictly observing the brahminical standards, such as rising early, cleansing at least twice daily, reading profusely, attending arati, like that. You begin immediately this process. That is the main work of GBC. Sometimes we see that even they do not wash hands after eating. Even after drinking water we should wash hands. That is suci. Suchi means purest. Everyone should join the mangal arati. Gradually, we should become more regulated and strict for following the rules and regulations. Otherwise we shall fall down.</p>
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<div id="LettertoTamalaKrsnaBombay21November1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="594" link="Letter to Tamala Krsna -- Bombay 21 November, 1974" link_text="Letter to Tamala Krsna -- Bombay 21 November, 1974">
<div class="heading">Yes, train up the brahmanas very carefully. Many Indians and foreigners criticize us how we can create brahmanas. They are under the impression that brahmanas are born like horses and asses are born.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Tamala Krsna -- Bombay 21 November, 1974|Letter to Tamala Krsna -- Bombay 21 November, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is very good that you have purchased a third bus and also that you are rotating the men. This is a good idea. Yes, train up the brahmanas very carefully. Many Indians and foreigners criticize us how we can create brahmanas. They are under the impression that brahmanas are born like horses and asses are born. According to Bhagavad-gita brahmanas are according to guna and karma. So the training of brahmanas should be so nice that people will be forced to accept them as brahmanas by guna, quality, and karma, action.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRadhasaranaJuhuBombay17April1977_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Correspondence" book="Let" index="90" link="Letter to Radha-sarana -- Juhu, Bombay 17 April, 1977" link_text="Letter to Radha-sarana -- Juhu, Bombay 17 April, 1977">
<div class="heading">Just because there are no men is not a good reason to make someone a brahmana. This policy is not good. First have devotees. Then we should consider to open a center. Not that we open centers and have no devotees to manage them and therefore we create brahmanas.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Radha-sarana -- Juhu, Bombay 17 April, 1977|Letter to Radha-sarana -- Juhu, Bombay 17 April, 1977]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just because there are no men is not a good reason to make someone a brahmana. This policy is not good. First have devotees. Then we should consider to open a center. Not that we open centers and have no devotees to manage them and therefore we create brahmanas. However, because this is a special case, I accept the two devotees, Sriman Jyotsna dasa brahmacari and Sriman Lalita-Govinda dasa brahmacari for second initiation. Their sacred threads duly chanted on are enclosed along with the Gayatri Mantra sheet. After performing the fire ceremony they may be allowed to hear the gayatri mantra from the tape in the right ear. You must teach them the principles of brahminical living, especially cleanliness is very important. Internally one should keep clean by chanting Hare Krsna and externally by bathing regularly. Teach them by your own personal example.</p>
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