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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1967 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1967 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_0" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So Nityānanda Prabhu described about the Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha, the story of Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. It was very nice story, that formerly one ācārya, Madhavendra Purī came to this temple, Gopīnatha, and while that condensed milk which is called kṣīra was being offered to the Deity, Madhavendra Purī wanted to taste it so that he would also prepare such condensed milk and offer to his Gopāla. So after that he thought, "Oh, it is being offered to Kṛṣṇa and I wanted to taste it. So I am so greedy." So he left the temple, that "I am not worth to visit this temple." He went outside the temple and sat down underneath a tree and was chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then at dead of night, Gopīnatha, the Deity, was awakening His priest by dream, that "You please get up. I have kept one pot of condensed milk behind My..." What is called... That (pid?) vastra, kings, sometimes they have got, very long tail-like. What is that called?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Robe or something?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. What is the name?</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: I don't know.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: In Sanskrit it is called (pid?) vastra, backside robe. So under the backside robe He kept one pot of condensed milk by stealing. So the pūjārī woke up and opened the door and actually saw that there was a pot of condensed milk. The priests were very much astonished that "Oh, He has stolen (laughs) kṣīra for His devotee." So the order was that "You take this pot and give to Madhavendra Purī. He is sitting underneath a tree." So they, with the pot of the condensed milk, they began to cry, "Oh, who is that Madhavendra Purī? Oh, you are so fortunate. The Deity has stolen condensed milk for you. Take it." So he came forward and he was so pleased that Lord has stolen. "Because I desired to taste so Lord has stolen one pot." So in this way. From that day He became famous, the thief of condensed milk, Kṣīra-corā. Kṣīra means condensed milk and corā means thief. So the temple became famous as the temple of the thief of condensed milk.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Caitanya, the condensed milk thief.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Oh, you did not hear. Caitanya, after seeing the Deity, He was sitting and seeing and meantime Nityānanda Prabhu narrated the story how His name became Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. You did not follow me?</p>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_1" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: In Sanskrit it is called (pid?) vastra, backside robe. So under the backside robe He kept one pot of condensed milk by stealing. So the pūjārī woke up and opened the door and actually saw that there was a pot of condensed milk. The priests were very much astonished that "Oh, He has stolen (laughs) kṣīra for His devotee." So the order was that "You take this pot and give to Madhavendra Purī. He is sitting underneath a tree." So they, with the pot of the condensed milk, they began to cry, "Oh, who is that Madhavendra Purī? Oh, you are so fortunate. The Deity has stolen condensed milk for you. Take it." So he came forward and he was so pleased that Lord has stolen. "Because I desired to taste so Lord has stolen one pot." So in this way. From that day He became famous, the thief of condensed milk, Kṣīra-corā. Kṣīra means condensed milk and corā means thief. So the temple became famous as the temple of the thief of condensed milk.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Caitanya, the condensed milk thief.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Oh, you did not hear. Caitanya, after seeing the Deity, He was sitting and seeing and meantime Nityānanda Prabhu narrated the story how His name became Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. You did not follow me?</p>
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<div id="DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_2" class="quote" parent="1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco" link_text="Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hayagrīva: Condensed milk.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Pot of condensed milk for His devotee.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Now what direct relationship does this have to Lord Caitanya?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Lord Caitanya also visited. Anyone in those days going to Jagannātha Purī from Bengal they had to pass that way. And on the way the Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha temple is there. So everyone used to visit. So formerly Madhavendra Purī, he also visited, and for him the Deity stole the condensed milk. From that time He's known as Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. That story was narrated to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. So while sitting before the Deity, the story was narrated and Caitanya Mahāprabhu relished it that God is so kind that sometimes He steals for His devotee. This is the significance of this. So here the scene should be arranged that very nice temple, the Deity within, and Lord Caitanya entered while chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and saw the worship, ārātrika. These things are to be shown in this scene. And a little story about Him, that's all.</p>
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<div id="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1968 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1968 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="InterviewFebruary11968LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Interview -- February 1, 1968, Los Angeles" link_text="Interview -- February 1, 1968, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- February 1, 1968, Los Angeles|Interview -- February 1, 1968, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Sannyā... Yes, brahmacārī: b-r-a-h-m-a-c-h-a-r-y, this is brahmacārī. Then gṛhastha: g-r-i-h-a-s-t-h-a, gṛhastha. H-a-s-t-h-a, gṛhastha. G-r-i-h-a-s-t-h-a. Is that clear? Gṛhastha. Then vānaprastha: v-a-n-a-p-r-a-s-t-h-a, vānaprastha. Then sannyāsī: s-n-n-y-a-s-i, sannyāsī. Four divisions. These four divisions, and there are other four orders of social system. That is according to work, division according to work and quality. Just like the brāhmaṇas, b-r-a-h-m-a-i-n-s, brāhmaṇas. Brāhmaṇas means the most intelligent class of the society. The kṣatriyas, k-s-h-a-t-r-y-a-s, kṣatriyas. Kṣatriyas means persons who are interested in politics, in the management of the country, political affairs. They are called kṣatriyas. Similarly, there is the vaiśyas, v-a-i-s-y-a-s. Vaiśyas means the mercantile, productive class. Those who are engaged in producing grains or trade, milk, and in industry. Of course, industry, artisans, they are called, artists, śūdras. Anyway, any person engaged in producing for the needs of the society, they are called vaiśyas. And the worker class is called śūdra. So according to Vedic system, these are eight divisions. Unless the human society is divided into these eight divisions in terms of material and spiritual progress of life, that is not accepted as human society.</p>
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<div id="InterviewMarch91968SanFrancisco_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco" link_text="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco|Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: "I shall become a regular student of Swamiji," that is third stage. That is called initiation. Just like these boys. They are initiated. So in that stage they are guided by me. They follow strictly. Just like we have got for the initiated students we have got six, four principles. We do now allow illicit sex life. No, we do not allow these boys or girls sex life without being married. Yes. This is one regulation. We don't allow them to take anything which is not offered to the Deity. So we offer to the Deity foodstuff, grains, fruits, flowers, milk products, in that way, no meat, no egg, nothing of the sort. Simple food. They are nutritious. We prepare very... Perhaps you have participated in our love feast in Sundays.
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<div id="InterviewMarch91968SanFrancisco_2" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco" link_text="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco|Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They like it. So many, hundreds of preparations... We can give at least three hundred preparation, many varieties, simply on grains and milk product and fruits. That's all. We don't kill animals, don't kill birds, no. But we make very nice preparations. Everyone likes. So this is one of the restriction, that you cannot take anything which is not offered to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is the second restriction. And the third restriction is no intoxication—no smoking, no drinking, even no tea taking, no coffee taking, nothing: These American boys they are accustomed to all these habits very naturally, but they have given up. They don't take. In our temple there is no tea-taking, no coffee-taking, no cigarette smoking, nothing of the sort, you see. This is the third restriction. And the fourth restriction is that you cannot take part in gambling or some unnecessary sporting because you have to utilize your time. Your time is very short.</p>
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<div id="InterviewMarch91968SanFrancisco_3" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco" link_text="Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco|Interview -- March 9, 1968, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: So similarly, we have to offer Kṛṣṇa what Kṛṣṇa likes to eat. So how we can know? In this book we have the things, what Kṛṣṇa wants. He says, "You give Me foodstuff, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]) fruits, flowers, grains, milk, like that." So our diet is Kṛṣṇa prasādam. Therefore... Kṛṣṇa wants these things. We prepare these things, and we eat the remnants of food. If Kṛṣṇa says that "You give me meat," then we can offer Kṛṣṇa meat also. But Kṛṣṇa does not say that. Kṛṣṇa says, "Give Me fruits, flowers, grains." So we have no quarrel with the meat-eaters. Let them do whatever he likes. But our concern is that unless Kṛṣṇa takes, we don't take. So in order to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, this is necessary, just like an important segment of the work. We cannot accept anything which is not offered to Kṛṣṇa. Therefore this diet, this sort of diet, as you have tasted in our love feast, that is important. We cannot take outside the scope. So in that sense, diet is important. Besides that, from health point of view also, you require a balanced food—carbohydrate, starch, protein, and fat. That is scientific. So fat we are getting from milk, butter. So if I can get fat from milk and butter, why shall I kill the cow and animal? This is humanity. My necessity is to get some milk and fat. The cow is supplying you milk and fat sufficiently.
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<div id="RadioInterviewMarch121968SanFrancisco_4" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="3" link="Radio Interview -- March 12, 1968, San Francisco" link_text="Radio Interview -- March 12, 1968, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Radio Interview -- March 12, 1968, San Francisco|Radio Interview -- March 12, 1968, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We don't eat anything which is not offered to Kṛṣṇa. We first of all prepare foodstuff as recommended in the scripture. They are mostly from vegetable, grains, fruits, milk. So we have got enough food.</p>
<p>Interviewer: No meat of any kind.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. No meat, no onion, no garlic, no intoxication, no liquor, we don't smoke even, we don't take tea, coffee. We simply take what is absolutely necessary for keeping the body fit to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We don't indulge in luxury..., or for the satisfaction of the tongue.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkatStowLakeMarch271968SanFrancisco_5" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="8" link="Morning Walk at Stow Lake -- March 27, 1968, San Francisco" link_text="Morning Walk at Stow Lake -- March 27, 1968, San Francisco">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk at Stow Lake -- March 27, 1968, San Francisco|Morning Walk at Stow Lake -- March 27, 1968, San Francisco]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa does not send you liquor. You have manufactured. Kṛṣṇa has sent you this fruit, He has sent you the grains, Kṛṣṇa has sent you the milk. You should be satisfied. Why should you manufacture liquor? Why should you manufacture slaughterhouse? We don't eat meat. Are we dying ninety percent of Indian population, they don't eat meat. They're simply vegetarian. Yes. And you can see how they are healthy. They cannot get sufficient food, that is different thing. That is maladministration. Kṛṣṇa has given sufficient food for all the people of the world. Somewhere the foodstuff is being thrown in the sea, and somewhere people are starving. This is want of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If a man becomes, if the president becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious president, then he'll think "This foodstuff is Kṛṣṇa's. It is not our result. So Kṛṣṇa claims all living entities as His sons. So we are sons of God, and the Indians or other poverty-stricken countries, they are also sons of God. So if we have got enough, why not send there?" Why you are putting the foodstuff, which no human being can produce, you are throwing it in the water. This is lack of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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<div id="RoomConversationJuly161968Montreal_6" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="11" link="Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal|Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The community is supposed to be there. The potter is there, the washerman is there, the grocer is there, the milkman is there, everyone is there. So we haven't got to form community.</p>
<p>Śivānanda: No. In the correct position then, the temple would be the center of the community.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Temple is open for everyone. Let them come and sit down, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, hear Bhagavad-gītā. We don't say, "Oh, are you potter? No. You are not allowed." We don't say that. "Are you cobbler? Oh, you are not allowed." No. We don't say that. Everyone is welcome. Come on. And what is the business? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Everyone can do it. And what is the next business? We read some nice philosophical portion from Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJuly161968Montreal_7" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="11" link="Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal|Room Conversation -- July 16, 1968, Montreal]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It is not... It is more difficult.(?) (Prabhupāda is taking prasādam) (pause) Is there anything about Kṛṣṇa in Vivekananda's speech?</p>
<p>Pradyumna: I wasn't reading his speeches. I wanted to see how he worked things. I know he's a rascal.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So you can give me a little milk and finish business. (pause) (devotees offer obeisances) All glories to the assembled devotees.</p>
<p>Devotees: All glories to Guru and Gaurāṅga!</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. All glories to you because you are interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Certainly it is glorious. Greatest science. Please try to understand it very nicely. You will be all happy. That is my request.</p>
<p>Devotee: Is this picture of He who is considered(?) Kṛṣṇa in the pine tree?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is this? Some imagination. Some imagination. All cheating.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithDevoteesAugust151968Montreal_8" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="13" link="Conversation with Devotees -- August 15, 1968, Montreal" link_text="Conversation with Devotees -- August 15, 1968, Montreal">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Devotees -- August 15, 1968, Montreal|Conversation with Devotees -- August 15, 1968, Montreal]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Oh. That's all right. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. (devotees chant japa) All right. Oh, it is too little. The plate is not yet full. Give me one spoon. Himāvatī?</p>
<p>Himāvatī: Yes?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You can give two rabris (milk sweet).</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: Can I put some on here?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, why not? Halavā is very nice. Who has prepared? Oh. (end)</p>
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<div id="InterviewSeptember241968Seattle_9" class="quote" parent="1968_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="17" link="Interview -- September 24, 1968, Seattle" link_text="Interview -- September 24, 1968, Seattle">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- September 24, 1968, Seattle|Interview -- September 24, 1968, Seattle]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: As I have told you, that Bhagavad-gītā is the book of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like any department of knowledge, there are some books to know that departmental knowledge or science, similarly, to know Kṛṣṇa consciousness there are many books and especially Bhagavad-gītā. In this Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says that "Anyone who gives Me fruits, vegetables, grains, milk, with great devotional love, I eat." Therefore we offer these things to Kṛṣṇa in different preparations, and we know He will eat. And that's all.</p>
<p>Interviewer: What types of food, what types of things do you drink, such as juices or anything else do you drink?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eatables are just within this jurisdiction of fruits, flowers, vegetables, grains, and milk. But we can prepare thousands of preparation, very nice palatable preparations. And I invite you to our temple. When love feast is distributed on every Sunday, you will see how they are nicely prepared. But they are prepared... Only if we get some grains and some butter and some fruits and some vegetables, we can prepare hundreds of preparations, hundreds, very, very palatable. You will forget all other eating.</p>
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<div id="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="2" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1969 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1969 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationApril111969NewYork_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="6" link="Room Conversation -- April 11, 1969, New York" link_text="Room Conversation -- April 11, 1969, New York">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 11, 1969, New York|Room Conversation -- April 11, 1969, New York]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Mr. Murti: Two hands more than Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. In this universe only Brahmā has got four hands. Nobody within this universe. And Viṣṇu also. In this brahmāṇḍa, in this universe, there is a planet where the ocean is of milk. Here, just like salted water. There are many oceans. Ocean of oil, ocean of ghee, ocean of milk. The ocean of oil, you have got experience in this planet. Within the earth you are getting some... Your civilization depending, your motor car civilization is depending on that ocean of oil. You are getting oil and lavishly spending it. Stock is supplied by God. Your material advancement will be finished if the stock is not supplied by the Lord. So these foolish men, they do not know. They think that "Without God we can live." Who has created the ocean of petroleum within the earth? Is it possible for human being? (laughter)</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithAllenGinsbergMay121969ColumbusOhio_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="14" link="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 12, 1969, Columbus, Ohio" link_text="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 12, 1969, Columbus, Ohio">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 12, 1969, Columbus, Ohio|Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 12, 1969, Columbus, Ohio]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Curries you may boil only. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that you have to take our taste. No. That is not the program, that to become Kṛṣṇa conscious you have to change your taste. No. We say from the Bhagavad-gītā... Kṛṣṇa says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]). "Anyone who is offering Me with devotion these vegetables, fruits, flowers, milk, I accept that." But we are going to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. Therefore we are selecting foodstuff from this group. That you are all already accepting. Don't you take vegetables? Don't you take fruits? Don't you take grains? So where is the new item? Now, so far cooking, you can cook in your own taste. But the group must be this. Not meat. Because Kṛṣṇa does not say. That is our program. So you are already taking grains, you are eating fruits, you are drinking milk. So where is the difference? I don't find any difference.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithAllenGinsbergMay131969ColumbusOhio_2" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio" link_text="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio|Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: He was a rich man, brāhmaṇa. "What is this?" He said plainly, "Oh, I have been attracted by your wife, by the beauty of your wife." "All right, come on. What is that?" You enjoy my wife. You are brāhmaṇa. You are..." So he was received well. And at night, when he was given place, then he asked that woman, "Mother, will you give me your hair pin?" He took the hair pin and pushed in the eyes: "Oh, these eyes are my enemy." Since then he became blind. And in that blindness he was worshiping Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa was coming to him. And he would not touch. He'll sing, dance, and He'll supply milk and go away. So this Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura wrote one book, Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta. It is very valuable book. That is very highly estimated, Lord Caitanya.
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<div id="RoomConversationwithAllenGinsbergMay131969ColumbusOhio_3" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio" link_text="Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio|Room Conversation with Allen Ginsberg -- May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating. (laughter) Full facility. Kṛṣṇa is very kind. He'll give you facility: "All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely." Just like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings, tigers. So this will happen.</p>
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<div id="MeetingwithDevoteesJune91969NewVrindaban_4" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="17" link="Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban" link_text="Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban|Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Two hours for eating?</p>
<p>Paramānanda: Eating and taking rest.</p>
<p>Satyabhāmā: Well, noon prasādam, morning prasādam, milk in the evening.</p>
<p>Paramānanda: Morning and evening, half hour, noon, one hour.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Bathing, bathing takes an hour.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So you want to stop chanting and reading?</p>
<p>Satyabhāmā: No. No. (laughs)</p>
<p>Kīrtanānanda: We don't want to stop chanting. I don't want to. That's not the proposal. The proposal was...</p>
<p>Satyabhāmā: Which comes first? If... The work seems to have to be done, but the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You can forego your sleeping and eating.</p>
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<div id="MeetingwithDevoteesJune91969NewVrindaban_5" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="17" link="Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban" link_text="Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban|Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hayagrīva: I think a cow can do four or five people nicely.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Why not? No... I calculated, one cow per one person means the milk products he can sell, he can get other necessities of life in that way. Yes. And otherwise, one cow's milk, it can be shared by ten people at least.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: So eighteen cows, that's 180 people. I mean, could support that many people on the farm.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not support.</p>
<p>Devotee: Give them milk.</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Oh, give them milk.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Milk, yes. Milk products.</p>
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<div id="LordCaitanyaPlayToldtoTamalaKrsnaAugust41969LosAngeles_6" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles" link_text="Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles|Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: So Your mother is my sister. So You are my nephew. So do you think a nephew can be very angry upon his uncle?" And (chuckling) He said, "No, nephew must be obedient to the uncle. But do you think that uncle, when a nephew comes to his house, will not receive him?" "Oh yes. You are welcome. You are my nephew. You are my son." In this way the past incidences forgotten. Then they sat down. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked him, "My dear uncle, what is your religion that you are killing father and mother?" "Why killing father and mother?" "Oh, you are killing cow, your mother. You are drinking milk. And oxen, he produces grains for you in the field; so he is your father. The father earns for the children, so he is producing grains. And mother gives milk; so cow is giving milk. So how is your religion that the father mother killing?" Then he could understand that Caitanya is marking on the cow killing by the Mohammedans. Then he said, "Oh, this cow killing is also in your Hindu religion."
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<div id="RoomConversationWithJohnLennonYokoOnoandGeorgeHarrisonSeptember111969LondonAtTittenhurst_7" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="20" link="Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst" link_text="Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst|Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yoko Ono: If the mantra itself has such power, does it matter where you receive it, where you take it?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. That is a fact. The example is given just like milk. Milk is nutritious. That's a fact. Everyone knows. But if the milk is touched through the tongue of a serpent, it is no more nutritious. It is poison.</p>
<p>Yoko Ono: Well, milk is material.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, material. You want to understand through your material senses, we have to give...</p>
<p>Yoko Ono: Well, no. I don't have, you don't have to tell me material senses. I mean mantra is not material. It should be something spiritual, and therefore nobody can spoil it, I don't think. I mean, I wonder if anybody can spoil something that is not material.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationWithJohnLennonYokoOnoandGeorgeHarrisonSeptember111969LondonAtTittenhurst_8" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="20" link="Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst" link_text="Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst|Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yoko Ono: But you said about if the milk goes through a serpent's mouth it will produce poison, and, for instance, George just told us about a week ago a very interesting story about a man who had a face of Christ, and in twenty years' time he had a face of Judah. And the Catholic Church and all those churches first probably had good words, and now it's deteriorating. Now, how would you decide, really, that brāhmaṇas are always in a pure state that you speak of, that they would never turn into serpents?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you have to become a serious student.</p>
<p>Yoko Ono: Well, I mean, what do you mean by serious student? Maybe everybody, all of us are serious anyway. I mean, we're born serious or born, you know, unserious.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then you must know what is distinction between Brahman, Paramātmā, and Bhagavān, if you are serious student.</p>
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<div id="DiscussionwithGuestsDecember231969Boston_9" class="quote" parent="1969_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="22" link="Discussion with Guests -- December 23, 1969, Boston" link_text="Discussion with Guests -- December 23, 1969, Boston">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discussion with Guests -- December 23, 1969, Boston|Discussion with Guests -- December 23, 1969, Boston]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Physical... Just like a milk preparation. You take large quantity of milk, you get diarrhea. But the same milk, if it is prepared into yogurt, if you take it, your diarrhea will be cured. So physical things, when treated spiritually, it cures physical disease.</p>
<p>Guest (4) (Indian man): You said the approach to spiritual goal, through this way, Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Rāma. Okay. Now there is another philosophy which has been preached by Ramakrishna and Vivekananda: "The service of man is the service of God."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And why not service of God service of man?</p>
<p>Guest (4): No...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: First of all answer this. If service of man is service of God, why not service of God, service of man?</p>
<p>Guest (4): Okay. It is one and the same thing because within man is within the soul, which is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So, one thing, suppose that service of God is service of man, then why should you go door to door serving ... If God is service of man, if you say service of man is service of God, then service of God is service of man.</p>
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<div id="1970_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1970 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1970 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationNovember41970Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="1" link="Room Conversation -- November 4, 1970, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- November 4, 1970, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- November 4, 1970, Bombay|Room Conversation -- November 4, 1970, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Haṁsadūta: Do you want to hear the next letter? This is the second letter. "I do not see why you devoted two full pages to the article on 'Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa,' November 8th. Wearing a plain white sari, applying sandal paste on the forehead and wearing nose-rings do not transform one. Churning milk gopī fashion is no way to attain spiritual bliss. The statements made by the devotees of the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement reflect an attitude of escapism."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm. Anyway, we are getting publicity.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationDecember211970Surat_1" class="quote" parent="1970_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="8" link="Room Conversation -- December 21, 1970, Surat" link_text="Room Conversation -- December 21, 1970, Surat">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- December 21, 1970, Surat|Room Conversation -- December 21, 1970, Surat]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Perhaps in other engagement he cannot dance. Actually there is no problem. Why there should be problem? There are 8,400,000 species of life. Out of that, human being are 400... Out of that, 80%, they are uncivilized. So all these living entities have no problem for eating. This 20% or 15% people who are called as civilized, they have problem. They have created problem. At least in India, say, hundred years before, there was no problem for eating, even for the śūdra class or any... No, there was no... The society was so made, there was no problem. Why fifty years? In 1933 or '36 in Vṛndāvana somebody wanted milk, some pilgrimage amongst ourselves. So went to a house. So, "Can you supply us some milk?" "Ah, how much you want?" So it was about ten pounds. So she supplied immediately, one woman, and when she was offered price, "Oh, why shall I take a price for ten or twenty pounds of milk? Oh, you can take it." That is my practical experience. Milk was so freely available. So simply we are creating problems by godless civilization. That is a fact.</p>
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<div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationLondonAugust101971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="17" link="Room Conversation -- London, August 10, 1971" link_text="Room Conversation -- London, August 10, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- London, August 10, 1971|Room Conversation -- London, August 10, 1971]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Anyway, na tasya śocananarthi. Don't lament which is gone. (laughter)</p>
<p>Mr. Arnold: Yes, thank you, thank you.</p>
<p>Dhanañjaya: Don't cry over spilt milk.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is Sanskrit, na tasya śocananarthi.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Actually, for a place in the center of London like this, it's nice to have offices and a small chapel and maybe a bookstore, but we would not be able to recruit many people to come on a residential basis, being in the center of the city. But in a place a little bit further out, like in a student neighborhood, everybody comes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What? Student neighborhood?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Yes, they'll come.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So, why not negotiate that?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Daily they'll come and then gradually become devotees.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, among the young men there is hankering after this sort of an institution. Everyone asks me, "Why the younger generation is attracted to this movement?" so many reporters. So somehow or other, I reply, "The young men, they're receptive, they can understand the value, whereas the old fools cannot." (laughing)</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust141971London_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London|Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Irritated... If your mind is in peace... If you are not indulging in intoxication, gambling, illicit sex, then your mind will not be irritated. How a gambler can be in peaceful mind? That is not possible. How a drunkard can be in peaceful mind? Agitation is for them who are simply engaged in sinful life. Those who are not engaged in sinful life, naturally they are peaceful. Their mind is not agitated. Vegetarians are naturally peaceful. Just see between a dog and a cow. (laughter). Dog unnecessarily will talk: "Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" (makes barking sound) without any fault. "Why you are here? Why you are here? Why you are here?" That is dog's qualification. A cow, so useful animal, it will never agitate. The dog has no use, but still he's the best friend. (laughter) And cow, actually giving us milk, sending to the slaughterhouse. Just see. This is human civilization. A dog is worshiped, and a cow is slaughtered. Do you think it is civilization? Do you think? Can you support this?</p>
<p>Sister Mary: Well, I had a friend who was a vegetarian...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, apart from this, these two animals. One is dog, and another is cow. So dog is worshiped and cow is sent to the slaughterhouse. What kind of civilization it is? Huh?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust141971London_2" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London|Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Less than! Cow is supporting the whole society with milk. Every morning, without milk, we cannot live. The child, without milk, cannot live. She should be treated as mother. And they are being sent to the slaughterhouse. And still, they are thinking of becoming free from sinful life. Can anyone kill his own mother? "Oh, mother is old and useless. Let her be killed. Burden." Is that very gratitude for the mother by the son?</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: They do that. As soon as the cow is too old to give milk, immediately slaughterhouse. I was talking to one man, he was a cowherdsman here in England. He said he couldn't stand it. He said a nice cow, she would get old, she couldn't give milk anymore, immediately slaughterhouse. Just like that. The most disgusting thing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (people coming in) Oh. You come forward. Give him seat. Śivānanda, you come... You can sit there. Yes. So the God consciousness can be awakened if you stop sinful activities. Otherwise, it is impossible. You go on preaching for millions of years; there will be no God consciousness. There will be no God consciousness. That is the... in Bhagavad-gītā. (people sitting down) Why? You can come here, this side.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust141971London_3" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London|Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ ([[Vanisource:BG 7.28 (1972)|BG 7.28]]). One who has finished sinful activities, he can be engaged in God consciousness. One who is engaged in sinful activities, he cannot. Devil citing scripture. A devīl cannot cite scripture. Angel can cite scripture. And according to our ācāryas, Sanātana Gosvāmī, he says that "Don't hear scriptures from the devīl." Avaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtaṁ śravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyam." If a devīl's preaching about God, don't hear." If you say, "God is pure, so let me hear about God. It doesn't matter whether he is devīl or angel. It doesn't matter." No. The argument is sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā. Just like milk is very nourishing food, but if it is touched by the lips, by the tongue of a serpent, it becomes poison. Sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā. You cannot bring the milk which is touched by the serpent's tongue. So we should receive knowledge of God, message of God, from a person who is not a devīl. Then it will be effective. Otherwise, it will act as poison. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's principle is āpani ācari prabhu jīveri śikṣāya. He first of all behaves himself, and then he preaches. So if the preacher is sinful, how he can deliver other sinful men by his so-called preaching. That is not possible. He must be pure, he must be sinless. Then his preaching will be effective. But in all conditions, if we, with faith and love we chant the holy name of God, we shall become gradually purified. There is no, I mean to say, cause of anxiety. Anyone who will chant this holy name, he'll be purified.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust141971London_4" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London|Room Conversation -- August 14, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Revatīnandana: We can eat anything: fruit, vegetables, milk products, grains, sugar, nuts, all kinds of vegetable foodstuffs.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Broadly speaking, anything that comes out of the earth.</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: Yes. And we can eat it after it's been offered to the Lord with love and devotion. This we call prasādam or Kṛṣṇa's mercy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Actually, any foodstuff is Kṛṣṇa's mercy. Any foodstuff is Kṛṣṇa's, God's mercy. Just like grain. You cannot manufacture grain. It is by God's mercy you get it.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithJournalistsAugust181971London_5" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="21" link="Conversation with Journalists -- August 18, 1971, London" link_text="Conversation with Journalists -- August 18, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Journalists -- August 18, 1971, London|Conversation with Journalists -- August 18, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We are simply presenting the fact that everything belongs to God. God is the supreme friend and God is the maintainer of everyone, everything, and He is the supreme enjoyer. These three things, if we understand, then the whole problem is solved. Now, I say that God is the proprietor. Now you refute. Those who will not accept, that "God is not proprietor, I am proprietor," this requires discussion. How you become proprietor? Bhagavad-gītā says, God says, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram ([[Vanisource:BG 5.29 (1972)|BG 5.29]]). I am not manufacturing this. It is stated in the śāstra. God is the supreme enjoyer. He is the proprietor. He should be enjoyer. Just like here, if I am the proprietor of a factory, so the profit should come to me, similarly, if God is the proprietor of everything then we cannot enjoy anything without the sanction of God. We therefore eat prasādam. We know that the fruit, flowers, or grains, or milk, whatever we are offering to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa has given us.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrWeiroftheMensaSocietySeptember51971London_6" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="25" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Weir of the Mensa Society -- September 5, 1971, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Weir of the Mensa Society -- September 5, 1971, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Weir of the Mensa Society -- September 5, 1971, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Weir of the Mensa Society -- September 5, 1971, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Another thing is. Just like grass, straw. The cows are eating straw and giving the most vitaminous food, milk, full of vitamins A and D. But if you scientifically say that there is, I mean to say, vitamins in the grass and straw, then you eat straw. Vitamins is there. Why it is (indistinct). Your analysis of enzyme and vitamin. How you can say milk does not... (break) ...then you'll die. Why this law is there? The cow is producing most vitaminous food, milk, by simply eating dry grass and straw.</p>
<p>Dr. Weir: No, with respect, Swami, no, by simply imbibing at the same time bacteria which flourish in its intestines and are necessary for it to be able to metabolize this straw. We couldn't metabolize straw...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But you're lacking that bacteria. You're lacking that bacteria. The bacteria which the cows have, you haven't got.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrKaranSinghNovember251971Delhi_7" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="29" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi|Room Conversation with Dr. Karan Singh, -- November 25, 1971, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Certainly. There are necessities. Yuktāhāra-vihārasya. But the thing is, people are trying to keep the body in overcomfort and the result is they are becoming diseased. We require to... The body is not to be neglected. Just like our system, our Vedic system, (indistinct) nature you take grains, you take fruits, you take milk, sufficient nourishment, so why should you take animal food? It is simply taste for the tongue. You don't require. Now these boys and girls who are with me for the last four years, they have given up everything—meat eating, fish, eggs, everything.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationDecember121971Delhi_8" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="32" link="Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi|Room Conversation -- December 12, 1971, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You take grains, just like paddy or wheat. These plants, after producing the fruit, the grain, automatically they die. You are not killing. So, those who are taking fruits, vegetable, grains, they are not actually killing. You take the milk... What is milk? Milk is transformation of the blood. So, cow's milk means cow's blood, but still the cow is not killed. Cow's blood is nutritious, accepting this theory. Karnish (?), karnish it is called? Cow's blood? What is the meaning of karnish (?)? But by nature's way she is delivering you the blood which is nutritious—according to your science—but why you should kill her? So any circumstances, the direct killing is not approved by any śāstra, any religion. Jīva hiṁsā. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also says, niṣiddhācāra jīva-hiṁsā. So, jiva hiṁsā, violence upon other animals, that is against Vaiṣṇava principle. You cannot be violent, you cannot kill.</p>
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<div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Separated. Separate, no? Just like this milk. What is this milk? The separated energy of the cow. Is it not? It is the manifestation of the separated energy of cow.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: Is it like a by-product?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Bob: So what is the significance of this energy being separated from Kṛṣṇa?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Separated means this is made out of the body of the cow, but is is not cow. That is separation.</p>
<p>Bob: So this earth and all is made out of Kṛṣṇa, but is not Kṛṣṇa?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not Kṛṣṇa. Or you can say, Kṛṣṇa and not Kṛṣṇa simultaneously. That is our philosophy. One and different. You cannot say different because these things without Kṛṣṇa has no existence. At the same time you cannot say, "Then let me worship water. Why Kṛṣṇa?" That the pantheists, they say, that "Because everything is God, so whatever I take, that is God worship." The Rama-Krishna Mission says like that. But that's wrong.</p>
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<div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, earth... Earth has no separate existence without Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, "It's my energy." You cannot separate the energy and the energetic. It is not possible. You cannot separate heat from fire. But fire is different from the heat. And heat is different from the fire. You are taking heat, that does not mean you are touching fire. Fire, in spite of expanding heat, it keeps its identity. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa by His different energies creating everything, He remains Kṛṣṇa. The Māyāvādī philosophers, they think, "If Kṛṣṇa is everything, then Kṛṣṇa's separate identity is not there." That is material thinking. Just like drinking this milk, so little, little, when I finish, there is no more milk. It has gone to my belly. Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Because He's omnipotent, we are utilizing His energy continually, but still He's there, present. Just like a man begetting children unlimitedly, but the man is there. Crude example. But not that because he has produced hundreds of children, therefore he is finished. So similarly, God or Kṛṣṇa, in spite of His unlimited number of children, He's there. Pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya pūrṇam eva avaśiṣyate (Iso Invocation). This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa is never finished. (break) ...so powerful, therefore He is attractive. This is one side of the display of Kṛṣṇa's energies. Similarly, He has got unlimited energies. This study of Kṛṣṇa's energy is only one side, one portion only. So in this way if you go on studying Kṛṣṇa, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not a bogus thing, that "maybe," "perhaps not." Absolutely. It is.</p>
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<div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_2" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: You use that example of the cow and the market?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, when the milk is available in the market, what is the use of keeping a cow? (laughter) It is a very abominable condition. In the western countries I have seen. Here also, in India, gradually it is coming to be so. (Speaks to someone in Bengali) (break) ...movement is especially meant for making human life, reaching the real goal.</p>
<p>Bob: The real goal?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The real goal of life.</p>
<p>Bob: Is the real goal of life to know God?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
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<div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_3" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bob: I had viewed this as... My thought of pleasing God was to do...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, don't manufacture your ways of pleasing God. Don't manufacture. Suppose if I want to please you, then I shall ask you, "How can I serve you?" Not that I manufacture service. That is not pleasing you. Suppose if I want a glass of water. And if you manufacture that "Swamiji will be more pleased if I give him a glass of milk, hot milk," that will not please me. If you want to please me, then you should ask me, "How can I please you?" And what I order, if you do that, that will please me.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithJohnGriesserlaterinitiatedasYadubaraDasaMarch101972Vrndavana_4" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="6" link="Room Conversation with John Griesser (later initiated as Yadubara Dasa) -- March 10, 1972, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation with John Griesser (later initiated as Yadubara Dasa) -- March 10, 1972, Vrndavana">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with John Griesser (later initiated as Yadubara Dasa) -- March 10, 1972, Vrndavana|Room Conversation with John Griesser (later initiated as Yadubara Dasa) -- March 10, 1972, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yadubara: Many other societies make compromises. Many other religious groups make compromises in their doctrine.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, because they have no clear idea. They cannot push forward their concept. Just like the other day (indistinct) lady, she asked if Kṛṣṇa was a naughty boy. Yes, because He is God He must be naughty boy. Otherwise, wherefrom this idea of naughty boy comes if that quality is not in God? God is the origin of everything, creator of everything. So if He hasn't got this naughtiness in His person, then how this thing comes to be? That is the Vedānta version, janmādy asya yataḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]). The Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which or from whom everything emanates. So wherefrom this naughtiness comes if it is not in the person of God? Wherefrom this stealing propensity comes if it is not in God? But because He is absolute, His stealing is also as good as his blessing. Mākhan-cora. Kṛṣṇa is stealing butter, that is worshiped, mākhana, by the very name. Just like in another temple, Kṣīra-cora-gopīnātha. Gopīnātha is known as condensed milk thief, Kṣīra-cora.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationApril11972Sydney_5" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="11" link="Room Conversation -- April 1, 1972, Sydney" link_text="Room Conversation -- April 1, 1972, Sydney">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 1, 1972, Sydney|Room Conversation -- April 1, 1972, Sydney]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura said, jaḍa-vidyā jato māyāra vaibhava tomāra bhajane bādhā, anitya soṁsāre moha janamiyā jībake karaye gādhā. Jaḍa-vidyā, this material advancement, jaḍa vidyā, they are simply stumbling blocks for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The more one is enamored by this so-called material advancement, the more he is disqualified to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Because time we have got limited. If we waste our time for so-called material advantages, then we spoil our time. We cannot utilize the time for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which is the necessity of human life. Therefore, in the history of India there is opulence, but that opulence is of different kind. By nature they used to enjoy life—enough jewels, enough gold, enough silk, enough food, enough metals. You see? By natural product. They could find where there is a big hill of gold only. These are there. And actually gold is found in some mine within the material arrangement. Why there should not be any hill of gold? As there are hills of stone, and marble, why not gold? You do not know. Your utensils are only plastic. It is worth nothing. So that was their material advancement. Gold, silver, jewels, corals, sapphire, diamond. Just see Kṛṣṇa's palace described. Not these rascal chairs, cushions, but with ivory, gold. And the cushion is as soft as the foam of milk. (laughter) These things are description there. And the rooms are bedecked with jewels. You don't require this electric light at night. And outside these parijāta flowers.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationsApril221972Japan_6" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan" link_text="Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan|Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bhānu: Should the Deities be offered grains for breakfast?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Grains...Grains only bhoga-ārati and at night... Purī also grain. It is also grain. And during daytime, cāpāṭī, rice, dahl, like that. Breakfast, fruits, milk, sweets, breakfast. And early, maṅgala-ārati, condensed milk. And breakfast, butter, sugar candy, casein. You are calling Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme. You must offer Him nice things. Not a poor man gets like Him. He's the richest man. If a poor man can be supplied so many things, how the rich man should be offered? And as far as possible, distribute prasādam. (break) People should be called.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationsApril221972Japan_7" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan" link_text="Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan|Room Conversations -- April 22, 1972, Japan]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: All right.</p>
<p>Sudāmā: And is there any special thing we should make, prepare for the installation? I think the other... This one boy Steven is taking initiation on that day.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So that will be nice.</p>
<p>Bhānu: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Is it all right to offer the Deity condensed milk that is already condensed?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm? No. Call... Where is Nanda Kumāra? I shall take massage.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDaiNipponApril221972Tokyo_8" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="16" link="Room Conversation with Dai Nippon -- April 22, 1972, Tokyo" link_text="Room Conversation with Dai Nippon -- April 22, 1972, Tokyo">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dai Nippon -- April 22, 1972, Tokyo|Room Conversation with Dai Nippon -- April 22, 1972, Tokyo]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We have got so many nice vegetable preparations. We prepare from milk casein with nice preparations. If you want some of our assistants will teach you. So I think instead of eating meat, if you eat that preparation, it is tasting almost like meat, but it is strictly milk preparation. That is as much nutritious also, full of vitamins. (Japanese)</p>
<p>Dai Nippon representative: Even you catch cold, you don't go to, you don't consult with doctor, medical doctor.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. We avoid doctor's bill. Yes. As far as possible. And we, because we are vegetarian, hardly we get sick. If you take strictly vegetarian food, you will avoid so many doctor's bills. Yes. Because our constitution is meant for eating vegetables. Just like this teeth. This is not meant for eating meat. It is meant for eating fruits, vegetables, grains. Our constitution is made like that. In India still 80% population (break) ...grains, milk products, vegetables, fruits, and sugar. You can make hundreds of nice palatable dishes. Sometimes we invite Mr. Tajima. You accept our invitation. You'll see. The other day I invited your assistant.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationApril21972Sydney_9" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="19" link="Room Conversation -- April 2, 1972, Sydney" link_text="Room Conversation -- April 2, 1972, Sydney">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 2, 1972, Sydney|Room Conversation -- April 2, 1972, Sydney]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You have got peanuts?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Yes. Peanuts, milk.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Peanuts and milk?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, puffed rice and peanuts, and milk separate. (laughter)</p>
<p>Devotee (2): These flowers here in the vase on your desk, they only..., the smell, the flavor, only comes out at night.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Rajiniganda. They are called Rajiniganda.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune141972LosAngeles_10" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="23" link="Morning Walk -- June 14, 1972, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 14, 1972, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 14, 1972, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 14, 1972, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Just like all the men, they are spending two thousand rupees for maintenance. They must work. And if they go with the books to any gentleman, they'll take. Māyā-sukhāya udvahato vimūḍhān. (break) Americans are giving so much service, knowledge. Arrange everything. They are giving already; simply they should be distributed through us-powdered milk, grains. People will feel so much obliged, "Oh, these American people are giving us knowledge and food." Practically they'll see how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious—by our aratika, by our kīrtana, by our behavior, by our character. Not only in India—everywhere. This is real service to the human.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune291972SanDiego_11" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="28" link="Morning Walk -- June 29, 1972, San Diego" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 29, 1972, San Diego">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 29, 1972, San Diego|Morning Walk -- June 29, 1972, San Diego]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: They do not know. We can teach them how to get better vitaminous foodstuff from cow's milk. Yes. Let the cow live, and she supplies her blood in the form of milk, and you take vitaminous foodstuff from milk. That is civilization. Milk is also cow's blood. But take this blood in a humanely way, not by killing. Milk is nothing but blood of cow. Suppose if you kill one cow, you get blood how much, how many pounds?</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Some number?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, just guess, how many pounds blood you can get?</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Fifty pounds?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Fifty pounds. But if you keep the cows, you get thirty pounds daily. This is intelligence. Instead of getting once fifty pounds and finished, why don't you get it daily thirty pounds?</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Because they're lusty.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: We have to set the example, Prabhupāda, through your mercy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. This is foolishness. Just like one has got some money, he utilizes his money and gets daily some income. And if he wants to spend all at once, that is foolishness.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJuly51972London_12" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="33" link="Room Conversation -- July 5, 1972, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 5, 1972, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 5, 1972, London|Room Conversation -- July 5, 1972, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You understand what is Kesav? Kesav is saffron. Saffron.</p>
<p>Sumati Morarjee: You know saffron? When you prepare milk from Swamiji, you bought ginger powder, put a little, and little saffron.</p>
<p>Devotee: Saffron.</p>
<p>Sumati Morarjee: And sugar, and heat it, and keep it some time, and then properly mix it, and then not very cold or anything. Little how you'll give it to him and that will improve his digestion. Because this (indistinct) won't be there, due to itch. (indistinct).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Our example, gosāi, gosvāmī all the gosvāmīs, let me speak in English.</p>
<p>Sumati Morarjee: Yes, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The gosvāmīs in Vṛndāvana, they're nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau **.</p>
<p>Sumati Morarjee: Hm.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Nidrā āhāra vihāra, nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau cātyanta-dīnau ca rādhā-kṛṣṇa-padāravinda-bhajanānandena mattālikau. Āhāra nidrā vihārakādi-vijitau cātyanta-dīnau ca yau. Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, he was, at that time, 500 years ago, his father's income was 12 lakhs of rupees.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust11972London_13" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London|Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So you can ask Nanda Kumāra to give me milk in that way.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Or you can ask Himavatī. What is your formula?</p>
<p>Devotee (Revatīnandana): Ginger powder and a little bit of saffron and sugar. Heat it up for a while, and then after a little while mix thoroughly and serve like that. It's good for digestion.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You give to Nanda Kumāra, because he will give.</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: Yeah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (converses in Hindi with Indian about traveling saṅkīrtana party in Birmingham, Cardiff)</p>
<p>Devotee (1): She was very happy, Sumati Morarji.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Devotee (1): She went away very happy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Everyone will be happy when you are Kṛṣṇa's devotee. You see? She's seeing Kṛṣṇa's so many devotees. That is Kṛṣṇa bhakta.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust11972London_14" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London|Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: She comes, and she said, "Then we live separately, Advaita." He doesn't like. He's such a rascal. Such a nice, good, beautiful wife, and he's neglecting. (sounds of Prabhupāda taking prasādam) Milk, here they take cold milk, and they (makes sounds of glug-glug-glug drinking). No. Milk should be hot, and it should be taken little.</p>
<p>Devotee: Hm.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is the way of taking milk. And this masala, it does not taste good. In India, especially in Northern India, Punjab, they will take at night, milk, (indistinct). No other things. They, all business men, the Marwari society, they'll take food before evening and then again they work. Then after ten they will come home and take little milk and go rest. (pause) So foundation committee is being established in Bombay making her the president of the trust. Then Giriraja will have no difficulty.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationAugust11972London_15" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London|Room Conversation -- August 1, 1972, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee: I think the English milk is better than American milk, isn't it?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I think so. It is from Holland.</p>
<p>Devotee: Oh. There's some famous islands between England and Holland called the Jersey Islands. There's special milk that comes from Jersey. Jersey milk is best.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. These Europeans, Americans, if they take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they'll be more happy. That is assured. From all angles of vision-their family life, their political life, their social life, their cultural life, their religious life, their philosophical life, their scientific life—everything will be perfect. Now you have to teach them. I can give you the ideas how they'll be happy. The rascals, they do not know why, what is your specialness, and just to teach you this. My only ambition is that you are... (aside:) Oh, there is no water. You are supposed to be the most intelligent persons. (Prabhupāda drinks) So if you take, others will take. That is going on. So I have no distinction between East and West. They're thinking that East is conquering West by culture. That is their enviousness. (laughter)</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithBajajandBhusanSeptember111972ArlingtonTexasAtTheirHome_16" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="39" link="Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home" link_text="Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home|Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: What is that? Milk? So many nice preparations given by Kṛṣṇa. Why shall I eat meat? Where is the necessity? Human being must discriminate what he shall eat. If you say, "Everything is food," then stool is also food for the hog. But the food for the human being must be different from the hog.</p>
<p>Guest (2): Is it our duty to convince everybody and to argue with people and say, "Now..." Because most of the people would argue for, "Where is your protein?" "Needs his protein," and you know, when they talk in terms of body consciousness rather than Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It's very hard to argue with that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, I have argued. All these European boys, I had to argue with them. (laughter)</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithBajajandBhusanSeptember111972ArlingtonTexasAtTheirHome_17" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="39" link="Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home" link_text="Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home|Conversation with Bajaj and Bhusan -- September 11, 1972, Arlington, Texas, At Their Home]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Brāhmaṇas means qualified brāhmaṇas. When you say engineer, that means qualified engineer, not born engineer. Engineer is not born. "Because his father is engineer, he is engineer." And what is this? You become engineer. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). There must be qualification and work; otherwise what kind of brāhmaṇa? (Hindi) These are all milk preparation. We can make so many hundreds and thousands of milk preparation. Instead of cutting the throat of the cows, why don't you use her milk? Dallas is a great place for cutting the throat of cows?</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: All over Texas.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Guest (2): Fort Worth.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithKennethKeatingUSAmbassadortoIndiaOctober141972NewDelhi_18" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="42" link="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi|Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We are chanting always the holy name of Kṛṣṇa. These have got special significance because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. There is no difference between Him and His name. Here, just like this milk substance and the milk name is different. If I want to take milk, simply if I go on chanting "milk" and "milk," that will not satisfy. I must have the substance milk. But in the spiritual world the Absolute has no differentiation between His name, ...between His name, between His quality, form, entourage. They are the same. So this chanting of holy name means that directly associating with Kṛṣṇa. Directly associating with Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Ambassador: It's a constant reminder to yourselves of the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...of my relationship with Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Ambassador: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is it.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithKennethKeatingUSAmbassadortoIndiaOctober141972NewDelhi_19" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="42" link="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi|Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Mrs. Keating: ...and you share.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. By serving I share. Just like this milk. The hand helps me, brings it here. I drink, and as soon I drank, the benefit is shared by all the parts of body. Is it not?</p>
<p>Ambassador: That's true.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You do not require to pass the milk through the finger, then with the toes. No. Simply put the tea, tea or milk, within, and every part of the body is satisfied. Just like you pour water in the root of the tree. The energy immediately, I mean to say, distributed to the leaves, to the tree, to the flowers, to the fruits, everything, immediately. Similarly, there must be something which is the root of everything. That is God. The Vedānta philosophy says God means the origin, the source of everything. That is God. Now you can imagine how that source should be. That is also explained. But God, or the Absolute Truth, is that, is the original source of everything.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationOctober251972Vrndavana_20" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="45" link="Room Conversation -- October 25, 1972, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 25, 1972, Vrndavana">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 25, 1972, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- October 25, 1972, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So you have to waste so much time.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Milk you have to purchase in queue.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Everything.</p>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationFebruary261973Jakarta_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Room Conversation -- February 26, 1973, Jakarta" link_text="Room Conversation -- February 26, 1973, Jakarta">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- February 26, 1973, Jakarta|Room Conversation -- February 26, 1973, Jakarta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No. Channa. That is called chaval. Puffed rice means chaval. From grains we have got varieties of foods. Grains, fruits, vegetables, milk, sugar, you can make at least four hundred, five hundred varieties.</p>
<p>Guest (1): From rice.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. From grains.</p>
<p>Guest (1): From grains.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: In the Marwari community is, that is called... channa, channa. Channa and ghee, they can make varieties of preparations. Channa powder, chick pea flour, besan, besan. You know besan? Yes. From besan they make so many varieties. Besan, ghee and sugar.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril291973LosAngeles_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="18" link="Morning Walk -- April 29, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 29, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 29, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- April 29, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Karandhara: The Russian scientists are very proud in their working, and they're atheistical. But still they're not able to produce enough food. Every year, there's not enough food.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. There's not enough food. Yes. I have experienced it. You cannot get food as you like. What government supplies, you have to accept. That's all. And that is rubbish, all rubbish. Generally, they supply meat. No fruit, no vegetable, no rice, no, nothing. You cannot get. You simply eat meat. That's all. And milk is available. This is their arrangement. And in all store, lines. You have to ask, even if you want to take meat only, you cannot go and immediately purchase. You have to wait for three hours, control. This is their position. No bank. No motor car. No taxicab. Simply... There are simply symbolic. And people are poverty-stricken so much that one taxi driver, he was trying to cheat us. They have no sufficient money. So they saw us, that: "Here is a foreigner, Indian and American. Let me cheat." This is their position. Just like India. India, being poverty-stricken, they also cheat. Of course, cheating is a disease. But especially those who are poverty-stricken, generally, they cheat, they steal. No character. And all women are engaged for sweeping, fat, fat women.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril301973LosAngeles_2" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="19" link="Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That means there will be no food, natural food. That is stated in Bhāgavata. You don't, you'll not get these grains, sugar, milk. This will be stopped. You have to eat woods. Yes. By your advancement of civilization, you have to eat woods.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Like a termite.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause) Go home. (Apparently aside) Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam... ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.21|CC Adi 17.21]]). (pause)</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: At the moment, scientists are doing so many things. They're having so many hopes. So in about fifty years...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There will be so much advancement that there will be no grains, no milk.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Many scientists and doctors now say you shouldn't drink milk anyway.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril301973LosAngeles_3" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="19" link="Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- April 30, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: I'm not very sure. But they produce imitation milk, the milk produced from soya bean. That's available in the market. Many, in fact I find, many people do not buy the natural milk. They buy the imitation milk, milk produced from the bean, soya bean. They say that milk contains too much fat. So that makes them very fat. So they want to control their weight by taking the imitation milk which contains less protein and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Milk will disappear. Harer nāma... ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.21|CC Adi 17.21]]). (pause)</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Prabhupāda, buffalo, buffalo milk is as good as cow's milk?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. It contains more fat. Milk means cow's milk. If you want to derive milk profit, then it is cow's milk. Otherwise every animal has got milk. And next to cow's milk is goat's milk. Goat. Buffalo milk is not so nice.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's difficult to digest.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, they therefore mix with water.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: In Manipur we use mostly buffalo milk because cow's milk is not very plenty. Very expensive also.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Everywhere. In India, cows are disappearing by slaughterhouse. (pause) (break) The scientists cannot make drinking water from sea water?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay51973LosAngeles_4" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="24" link="Morning Walk -- May 5, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 5, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 5, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- May 5, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: According to the desire of the living entity. All facilities, whatever you want, you can have. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.21|CC Adi 17.21]]). Another logic is bakāṇḍa-nyāya. Bakāṇḍa. Baka and aṇḍa. Baka, the duck. And aṇḍa, the testicle, testicle of the bull. The bull is going and the testicle is hanging, and the duck is after it. He is thinking here is a fish. You find him always going...when it will drop. Bakāṇḍa. This is nature's study. (break) The baka, the duck, they are after fish. So the testicle is hanging, he's thinking it's a big fish, it will drop now. So it will never drop but he is going after it. Just see. Neither it is fish. Another logic is āja-gala-stana, āja-gala-stana. You have seen on the goats in the neck, just like nipples. If one is expecting milk from that nipple, he is also fool. It is not nipple but it looks like nipple. Āja-gala-stana-nyāya.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is like the mirage in the desert.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, illusion, these are illusions. Āja-gala-stana-nyāya is applied for these rascals, those who are thinking that from matter life is coming. Exactly the same. They are thinking that here are nipples, there will milk come. Let us milk here.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkAtCheviotHillsGolfCourseMay151973LosAngeles_5" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="29" link="Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 15, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 15, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 15, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 15, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: Cows.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Useful, giving milk. Most humble, useful. Even after death it is useful. And they are so rascal, they are taking care of the dog, not of the cow. Just see how they are rascals. And they are advanced, civilized. They do not know what is meant by civilization. Now, according to Vedic scripture, cow killing is sinful. It is never written, dog killing is sinful. Generally, any animal you kill, that is sinful. But especially cow killing is sinful. Go-hatya. Go-hatya. And that cow killing is going on by the Christian world, and still, they are religious. What kind of religion? Christian religion says generally, "Thou shalt not kill." All... And especially they are killing cows. Generally killing and especially killing. First thing is why they shall kill at all? In America, oh, they have got sufficient food. So much rice, so much wheat, so much oats, fruits, grains and butter and ghee. So why they shall kill? What is the reason?</p>
<p>Umāpati: Uncontrollable tongue.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkAtCheviotHillsGolfCourseMay171973LosAngeles_6" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="30" link="Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 17, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 17, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 17, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 17, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: We know how it is formed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So you know, then you discover, counteracting. Just like formerly, in the warfare the atomic brahmāstra was thrown. On the other side... brahmāstra means excessive heat. So they caused something, they transformed into water. Because after heat, there must be water. So where is that science?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is just like milk. Milk looks white, but it is just water. They call it, it's a colloidal suspension of proteins, these caseins, in water. So similarly, this fog is just a colloidal suspension of water in the air.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So you create some fire. It will be immediately driven away. Water can be driven away by fire. So you create. That you cannot. You just shot one bomb. There will be some heat, and all the mist will go away. Do it.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithIndianGuestsJuly111973London_7" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Now, when I was gṛhastha, so they offered tea, I said, "I don't take tea." Then they said "Milk?" "Yes, all right. You can give me milk." I'd take little milk. Or you can take little cold drink, soda water. That sugar and water, little lemon. He wants to offer you something. So there are so many other varieties, varieties. But if he insists, "You must take tea," that is not hospitality.</p>
<p>Guest (7): But what happens is somebody else comes in, you know.</p>
<p>Guest (8): Hospitality means prasādam.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hospitality means first of all, he should ask, "What can I offer you?" This is hospitality.</p>
<p>Guest (8): Naturally, you know...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Hospitality means the man should ask you, "What can I offer you?" That is hospitality. If he says that "I must give you tea, and you must drink it," that is not hospitality. (laughter)</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithIndianGuestsJuly111973London_8" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, no. Hospitality is first... According to our Indian system, (Hindi) Then you can say, "Then you can give me a little sweet water." or "You can give me little milk." That's all. Hospitality does not mean I must force you, "You must take it." That is not hospitality.</p>
<p>Guest (9): (Hindi) Somebody comes to my place...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So you should ask, "What can I offer you?"</p>
<p>Guest (9): ...say, "A cup of tea will do." Then?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right.</p>
<p>Guest (9): We cannot give him cup of tea.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, you cannot give, that "I have no tea. You take milk." (laughter)</p>
<p>Guest (8): No tea, now. Why do you keep that tea in the house?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But if you offer milk or little sherbet, nobody will deny it. Even if he's a tea drinker, he cannot deny taking a little sherbet or little milk or a sandeṣa or some sweetmeat or... What is that? You want to offer him something. So offer him... There are so many things. Why that particular tea should be offered. Is it very nice preparation?</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithIndianGuestsJuly111973London_9" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="37" link="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (8): And I must say they are advancing more than me, really. I am still the same stage; by Prabhupāda's grace, they are advancing more, get up early in the morning, four o'clock, take bath...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, this kind of family life is very suitable. This is wanted. All the wife... His wife is very nice girl. And she is good devotee. So if wife is favorable, then everything is favorable. Household life means cooperation with wife. Na gṛhaṁ gṛham ity āhur gṛhiṇī gṛham ucyate. Just like we are also living within a room, gṛha. But we are sannyāsī. What is the difference between gṛhastha and sannyāsī? He lives with his wife. Gṛhiṇī gṛham ity āhuḥ. Gṛhiṇī means "the wife is gṛha." So if the wife is favorable, devotee, then there is no use of giving up family life. That's all. We have got so many married couples. Just like this boy. He's married. His wife is there. They are favorable. Both husband and wife, they have dedicated life for Kṛṣṇa. So it is very nice. It is not that he has to become sannyāsī. No. Why? There is no necessity. Gṛhe vā vanete thāko. Either you become sannyāsī or gṛhastha, the life must be dedicated for Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That is required. And for Kṛṣṇa's sake, if we have to give up something, is that very difficult job? If Kṛṣṇa wants that "You give up this habit,"... Just like Kṛṣṇa says... If you become devotee of Kṛṣṇa... Now, Kṛṣṇa says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]). So Kṛṣṇa wants that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalam, "Vegetable, milk, rice, grains, you can give Me." So you have to please Kṛṣṇa. You live on this, what Kṛṣṇa says, and take Kṛṣṇa's prasādam. That's all.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationWithThreeCollegeStudentsJuly111973London_10" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="38" link="Room Conversation With Three College Students -- July 11, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation With Three College Students -- July 11, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With Three College Students -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation With Three College Students -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yoga means connection. As soon as you study Kṛṣṇa in this way, you make your connection with Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection of yoga. Yoga means connection, the Sanskrit word yoga. And the opposite word is viyoga, disconnection. Yoga-viyoga. So yoga means, real yoga means, to connect your relationship, your identity, with Kṛṣṇa. That is called yoga. So take little prasādam. Come on.</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: Take some little sweet.</p>
<p>Student (2): Thank you.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Come on.</p>
<p>Student (2): I can't.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, I will give you. So let us stop here. Next I can give some talk.</p>
<p>Revatīnandana: All glories to Prabhupāda. (Obeisances) So Prabhupāda will take some rest now.</p>
<p>Student (3): Thanks very much.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you very much. So bring little milk. Yes.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationWithDavidLawrenceJuly121973London_11" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="44" link="Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London|Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You just work little, produce your food, eat, and save time, and try to understand Kṛṣṇa. This is the nature's arrangement. Anywhere, any part of the world, you can produce your food. Simply you require a little land and some cows. Everything is complete. You take milk from the cows and just till the field and get some food grains. That is sufficient. Whole economic question solved. And save time for developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the arrangement.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationWithDavidLawrenceJuly121973London_12" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="44" link="Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London|Room Conversation With David Lawrence -- July 12, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Just like so much field is there. You, if you take the all village people, you can produce enough food for them in this village. So much land is lying there. Simply you keep cows and till ground, get your food grains. Enough. And if you take the whole planet as it is, you can feed ten times population. There is so much prospect. Australia, Africa. So much vacant land. You can produce enough quantity of milk and food grains.</p>
<p>David Lawrence: Yes, I think this was the clinching argument in this program...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But they are doing... What they are doing? They're taking the milk and slaughtering the animals and sending to foreign countries for trade. New Zealand, Australia, they are doing like that. Just see.</p>
<p>David Lawrence: Or they're throwing down the surplus milk down coal mines.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>David Lawrence: They throw surplus milk down coal mines.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's it.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJuly191973London_13" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="47" link="Room Conversation -- July 19, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 19, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 19, 1973, London|Room Conversation -- July 19, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: What are there?</p>
<p>Jānakī: Milk, hot.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right.</p>
<p>Jānakī: I think that other thing was not a good idea.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it was too cold.</p>
<p>Jānakī: Yes, it reduces heat. I will bring some hot pepper.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) ...is taking place. The rascal Darwin says that it is coming from monkey. Why the monkey does not produce a human being? All rascals. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Simply rascals. His name is Neiman?</p>
<p>Pradyumna: Couldn't get his last, Ruby something.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrArnoldToynbeeFamousHistorianathishomeorofficeJuly221973London_14" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Translation.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: "Translation. During the reign of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, the clouds showered all the water that people needed, and the earth produced all the necessities of man in profusion. Due to its fatty milk bag and cheerful attitude, the cow used to moisten the grazing ground with milk."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This was the position of the kingdom, that the cows felt secure. At the present moment, the cows are very unhappy. I have seen. They are almost crying. Because they can understand that "After some time, we'll be killed."</p>
<p>Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They can understand that. So during Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira's time, the cows were happy, and because they were happy, they were producing so much milk that when they were on the pasturing ground, the pasturing ground became moist with milk. Milk was dropping. So much milk supply. And kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ: ([[Vanisource:SB 1.10.4|SB 1.10.4]]) There was regular rainfall and ample production of food grains, other things also. Just like jewelry, they are also produced by the rainfall and certain constellation of the stars. That we understand from the astrological books.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrArnoldToynbeeFamousHistorianathishomeorofficeJuly221973London_15" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: And yajñād bhavati parjanyaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 3.14 (1972)|BG 3.14]]). And when we regularly perform yajña, then there is regular cloud in the sky. And when there is cloud in the sky, there is regular rainfall, and when there is regular rainfall, there is sufficient production of food grains, fruits and other vegetables so that both the animal and the human beings, they eat sufficiently, they grow strength, they become happy and again perform yajña. And the animals supply, the cow supplies milk. In this way, the whole society becomes happy. These are the prescriptions, or directions, given by the Vedic literature. So if people take advantage of this instruction, as you have mentioned in your article "The Great Seers," so if we follow their instruction, the whole history of the human being can be changed. There is no difficulty. But whether the people will accept or not, that is the business of the leaders of the society. So far I think that British people, they organized very nicely the British Empire, but some way or other, it is now lost. But still, the British prestige can be elevated if actually, according to the Vedic instruction, you try to make your social construction, the political institution and economic development... Every direction is there. So you are all great historians. And there are many politicians. If you take this instruction of the Vedas little seriously, you can make your state an ideal state, and people are still ready to follow you. Then the whole history of the world will change. And if you people agree, then I can help you. I can help.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrArnoldToynbeeFamousHistorianathishomeorofficeJuly221973London_16" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: There must be ample production of food grains and milk product. Then the whole economic problem solved. And the formula is there. How to get ample agricultural production and milk, everything is there in Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And the examples of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, that is also there. But one... We must be serious to accept this formula for practical application.</p>
<p>Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes. You would apply the teachings of the Gītā to all human societies at all times. Yes, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Yes, that is my ambition, that let the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā be practically accepted by the human society, and surely they'll be happy. Surely. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glanīr bhavati bhārata ([[Vanisource:BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]). That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. So now everything is confused. And in your country, or western countries, they are very organized. So you are not feeling now so much confusion. But it is coming. But in India and countries like that, it is very confusion state. Yes. They have lost their own culture, and they could not assimilate the western type of civilization. So they are lost. They are lost.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrArnoldToynbeeFamousHistorianathishomeorofficeJuly221973London_17" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office -- July 22, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: This will be done in Kali-yuga. And gradually, there will be no supply of grains. Especially rice, wheat, sugar, milk, these things will be finished. So people will be obliged to take flesh. These are all stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: In that case, is there any hope in a movement like ours to rectify the situation.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If they take to Kṛṣṇa co... That is also stated, kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet ([[Vanisource:SB 12.3.51|SB 12.3.51]]). Kīrtanād, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one can become free from all these calamities and go back to home, back to Godhead. Only Kṛṣṇa conscious people will be free from all these calamities. Others will have to suffer.</p>
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<div id="GardenConversationwithMahadevasMotherandJesuitPriestJuly251973London_18" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="52" link="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London" link_text="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London|Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Just see. You can see from your son. They can sit down anywhere. They can lie down. There is no artificial living. They are satisfied with nice foodstuff made from vegetable and milk. And chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, holy name of God.</p>
<p>Mother: I see he's happy. But, you know, he came from a very happy home. So he should be happy, shouldn't he?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Mother: Very happy home. Brothers and sisters. And we've all been very happy. And I hope he will remain happy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He's still happier.</p>
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<div id="GardenConversationwithMahadevasMotherandJesuitPriestJuly251973London_19" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="52" link="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London" link_text="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London|Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You need it... Just like if you can get nice fruits, grains, milk, why do you need animal? You have to eat. You have to eat and live. Not to kill. Similarly, that if you can get nice foodstuff from food grains, from fruits, from flowers, from vegetables, from milk, why you should kill the animals?</p>
<p>Mother: Well, a lot of people now are going over to health foods.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Mother: This is thought of by a lot of people.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, lot of people may do anything.</p>
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<div id="GardenConversationwithMahadevasMotherandJesuitPriestJuly251973London_20" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="52" link="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London" link_text="Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London|Garden Conversation with Mahadeva's Mother and Jesuit Priest -- July 25, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So similarly, if I take milk from the cows, that is also cow's blood, but I don't kill it. So if I can live in such nice way, without killing, I get the fruits and flowers and the milk and the grains, why should I kill the animals?</p>
<p>Mother: There're a tremendous number of people being vegetarians today.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Mother: You're not the only people. I mean, a lot of people just have, yes, they do...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is nice. That is nice, very nice. They should be vegetarian.</p>
<p>Mother: ...but we don't condemn people who do.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That will make them less sinful. And that will qualify them to go back to home, back to Godhead. If they remain sinful, they cannot go.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithMisterPopworthandEFSchumacherJuly261973London_21" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="53" link="Room Conversation with Mister Popworth and E. F. Schumacher -- July 26, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Mister Popworth and E. F. Schumacher -- July 26, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Mister Popworth and E. F. Schumacher -- July 26, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Mister Popworth and E. F. Schumacher -- July 26, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Popworth: And young cows, calves are kept in a dark shed, deliberately kept in a dark shed and fed on an unnatural diet. They are not allowed to move, they are just kept in a space the size of their body. And for eight weeks, three months, they are fed on unnatural food, milk powder or something, devoid of certain necessary vitamins, to make the flesh whiter so that it gets a market. But that unfortunate beast, instead of walking in the fields under the open sky, he's shut him down.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All right, if you are so compassionate, you can kill those animals. But why you are maintaining slaughterhouse, killing nice animals.</p>
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<div id="CarConversationaftermeetingwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_22" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="55" link="Car Conversation after meeting with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Car Conversation after meeting with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Car Conversation after meeting with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Car Conversation after meeting with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: Well. Now in India, meat is selling at high price than vegetable. Yes.
Yogeśvara: He said now in India meat is selling at a higher price than vegetables.
Prabhupāda: That is no logic.
Yogeśvara: Not logic.
Prabhupāda: Price of meat is higher than milk and vegetables. So in that consideration, why not take vegetable and milk. Why you go to meat? So she is driving taxi, girls also drive taxi?
Yogeśvara: Oh, yes.
Satsvarūpa: In New York City, they also drive taxi.
Prabhupāda: Girls?
Satsvarūpa: Yes. They get more business.
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_23" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Man can eat grains, food grains, fruits, milk, sugar, wheat...</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Not, not, (French)?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: No flesh?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: No flesh?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Why? Just like the fruits. The fruits are meant for human being. The tiger does not come to eat your fruits. So tiger's food is another animal. Man's food is fruit, food grains, milk products. Just like fruit...</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes. I understand. It is why because grain and plants are also living beings.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right, that's all right.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_24" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That, that we also understand. But if, if you cannot live... Just like, generally, if I can live on fruits and grains and milk, why should I kill another animal?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Another thing is that how can you support that animal killing is not sin?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: (translates)</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: (French)</p>
<p>Bhagavān: How do you justify it?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, because we, we thought that there is a difference of nature between life of man, life of spirit, and biological, biological life. And we say... (break) ...not really exists, and we think so. We think that animals, plant are not real beings, are world of appearance and that you human person only is real being. And that in this sense, the material world is without importance.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now..., I follow. Suppose you are living in this house. So you are not this house, that's a fact.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_25" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, no, from any other consideration, cows' milk we drink. Therefore she's mother. Is it not?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: (translates)</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Oui.</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: N'est ce pas?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Oui, yes, surely, surely, but the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: According to Vedic conversion, we have got seven mothers. Ātma-mātā, the original mother, guroḥ patnī, wife of the master, spiritual master...</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes.</p>
<p>Bhagavān: Can you understand?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: (translates)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ātma-mātā guroḥ patnī brāhmaṇī, the wife of the priest.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_26" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Four. Ātma-mātā guroḥ patnī brāhmaṇī rāja-patnikā, dhenur. Dhenu means cow. Dhenur dhātrī. Dhātrī means nurse. Tathā pṛthvī. Pṛthvī means earth. These are seven mothers. So cow is mother because we drink milk, cow's milk.</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How can I deny that she's not mother? So how we can support killing of mother?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, it is a motive. But we think that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore, in India, those who are meat-eaters, they are advised... That is also under restriction. Advised to kill some lower animals like goats, even up to buffaloes. But cow killing is the greatest sin.</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, we... I know this. I know this. And this is for us a difficulty, a difficulty...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, because the cow is mother.</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, yes...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You, you take the milk from the mother...</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And when she's old, she cannot give you milk, therefore she should be killed?</p>
<p>Cardinal Danielou: Yes.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCardinalDanielouAugust91973Paris_27" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="56" link="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So our point of view is that we don't allow killing any animal. Our Kṛṣṇa says: patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]). Kṛṣṇa says vegetable, fruits, milk, grains, all these things should be offered to Me with devotion. And you should take the remnants of the foodstuff. So we take prasādam. And Kṛṣṇa says: "Give Me foodstuff prepared from this group." That we do. Accepting that the fruits, they have got life. But fruits are by nature... There are many fruits. It is offered by the tree for eating. The tree's not killed. So we accept this philosophy also that a, one animal, one living entity is meant for being food for another living entity. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam. That we also accept, but that does not mean one living entity is the food for another living entity, that does not mean I can kill my mother, my child... That is not, sir. So at least this must be taken into consideration that cows, innocent, they give us milk, we take its milk, and we kill in regular slaughterhouse, this is not very good thing. It is sinful.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithFrenchJournalistandUNESCOWorkerAugust101973Paris_28" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="58" link="Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śrutakīrti:</p>
:kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
:sarva kāma dughā mahī
:siṣicuḥ sma vrajān gāvaḥ
:payasodhasvatīr mudā
:([[Vanisource:SB 1.10.4|SB 1.10.4]])
<p>"During the reign of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, the clouds showered all the water that people needed, and the earth produced all the necessities of man in profusion. Due to its fatty milk bag and cheerful attitude, the cow used to moisten the grazing ground with milk."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now here is economics, politics and everything. So by Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we want to see that everyone is getting nicely the necessities of life. That is economic. Is it not?</p>
<p>Reporter: It is economic in a very, in a very...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Brotherhood. Actually, we develop economics for getting the necessities of life. Is it not? That is economics.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithSanskritProfessorDrSunesonSeptember51973Stockholm_29" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="71" link="Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, Dr. Suneson -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm" link_text="Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, Dr. Suneson -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, Dr. Suneson -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm|Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, Dr. Suneson -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śrutakīrti: Now, you mean.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. And milk, you have got?</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: Yes. They have got. I think there's one other guest coming, isn't there.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: Is the professor coming?</p>
<p>Devotee: He was supposed to come a half an hour ago.</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: There was a guest who was supposed to be here one half hour ago.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: He's a little late.</p>
<p>Śrutakīrti: So I'll bring it down. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: These are our books. You have seen?</p>
<p>Professor: Yes, sir, I've seen... Some of them, I've seen. This one in particular I have seen.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. We are... This is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. There are sixty volumes, books like this.</p>
<p>Professor: Sixty volumes like this?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Sixty volumes. And you can see how we are doing Sanskrit.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithIndianAmbassadorSeptember51973Stockholm_30" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="72" link="Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm" link_text="Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm|Room Conversation with Indian Ambassador -- September 5, 1973, Stockholm]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Pradyumna:</p>
:kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
:sarva-kāma-dughā mahī
:siṣicuḥ sma vrajān gāvaḥ
:payasodhasvatīr mudā
:([[Vanisource:SB 1.10.4|SB 1.10.4]])
<p>"During the reign of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, the clouds showered all the water that people needed, and the earth produced all the necessities of man in profusion. Due to its fatty milk bag, and cheerful attitude, the cow used to moisten the grazing ground with milk."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now, happy attitude. Now the cow are going to be killed. They know it, that "We are going to be killed." They're also intelligent living entity. So how they can be happy? If some human being concentrated in a camp, and they know that "We are going to be killed," can they be happy? So if one is not happy, if the cow is not happy, can she supply sufficient milk? No. No. Therefore just they were happy. Therefore milk was supplied so much that the grazing ground became wet with milk. Muddy. With milk, not with water. So we, we have no intelligence how to live. We... Our Bhagavad-gītā says, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya vaiśya. Means kṛṣi-go-rakṣya, to protect cows. Nowadays not to protect cows—to kill cows. Just see, business. Vaiśya means businessman. So vaiśya's business is kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]). But no go-rakṣya. Cutting the throat of go. This kind of sinful activities are going on, and they want to be happy. Instead of giving protection to the cows... In the Bible, also it is said that the animals are given under the protection of the human being.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationSeptember181973Bombay_31" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="75" link="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Then... (break) ...We have not very many followers because we disagree with all rascals. We are not rascal. (break) Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopāya na sāntāya (?). Mūrkha upadeśa... (Hindi) If you give some lessons to the rascal, he becomes angry. Payaḥ-pānaṁ bhujaṅgānāṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam. If you ask a serpent, "Sir, you don't bite anyone, you take your here, milk, (indistinct)," the result will be he'll increase his venomous poison, and one day—"Phansss." (Sound imitating biting) You know the story? The kuta..., (?) the wood-cutter and the snake. He found a snake... Snake, if it is not killed, then if you simply beat and becomes dead, again he revives life. You know that?</p>
<p>Guest (1): Yes.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationSeptember181973Bombay_32" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="75" link="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: By air. So somebody killed, but he did not cut or burn. So he again, into life. So a wood-cutter, what is called? Who cuts trees and wood? He felt sympathetic. He took away the snake and kept at home and gave him some milk. So one day, when he was strong. (makes hissing sound) So he thought, "Oh, I gave you life, I gave you milk, and now you are trying to attack me?" He cut into pieces. Therefore in the śāstra it is said, modeta sādhur api vṛścika-sarpa-hatyā ([[Vanisource:SB 7.9.14|SB 7.9.14]]). When Prahlāda Mahārāja's father was killed by Hiraṇya, I mean to say, Nṛsiṁha-deva, Prahlāda Mahārāja prayed, "Sir, You reduce Your anger now. Nobody is displeased with You because my father was just like a scorpion and snake, and when a scorpion and snake is killed, nobody's unhappy. So nobody is unhappy. Your action is not decried by anyone. Please now become in Your sense."</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationSeptember181973Bombay_33" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="75" link="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (2): It's a a different form.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not different form, different action also. If you want milk, if I give you dahi, and if I say, "Oh dahi and dudha, the same thing. Why you are not accepting this dahi?", will you accept?</p>
<p>Guest (2): Correct.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Although the same thing, but action is different. If you become devotee of Lord Śiva, you'll get opportunity of material opulences. Because Lord Śiva is the husband of Durgā, and Durgā is the superintendent of this material world. So Durgā is under control. If one becomes a devotee of Lord Śiva, then Durgā gives him, eh? Dhanaṁ dehi rūpaṁ dehi rūpavatī-bhāryāṁ dehi yaśo dehi. So you'll get all this, nice position, nice wife, nice power, famous... All this material, not spiritual. So to worship any other demigod than Kṛṣṇa is materialism. That is not spiritualism.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithBankerSeptember211973Bombay_34" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="77" link="Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation with Banker -- September 21, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: So if people take advice from these men, simple thing... Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is not difficult. Anyone can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. And no illicit sex life. No... Even one cannot follow these restrictions, if he chants, he will be benefited. But if he chants and follows these restrictive rules, then he will be perfect in this life. And that is not difficulty. Suppose if I do not eat meat. We are not eating meat. We are not dying. We are eating so many nice things, prepared from vegetables, grains, milk. So that is not very important thing, that one has to eat meat and commit sinful life. So anyone can avoid it. They are not smoking, they are not drinking, they are not dying. So without smoking or without drinking, nobody will die. There are many things. No illicit sex. Why illicit sex? You are human being. You should have taken a woman as married wife and live peacefully.
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<div id="ConversationatAirportOctober261973Bombay_35" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="80" link="Conversation at Airport -- October 26, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Conversation at Airport -- October 26, 1973, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation at Airport -- October 26, 1973, Bombay|Conversation at Airport -- October 26, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Pradyumna:</p>
:kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ
:sarva-kāma-dughā mahī
:siṣicuḥ sma vrajān gāvaḥ
:payasodhasvatīr mudā
:([[Vanisource:SB 1.10.4|SB 1.10.4]])
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ. So if there is regular rainfall, then you get all necessities of life. And the cows were so happy that the milk bag was so full that the pasturing ground became muddy with milk. They were supplying so much milk. So arrangement should be made how you can get more milk and more foodgrains. Then the whole economic problem will be solved. But instead of getting more milk, they are slaughtering cows, innocent animals. So people have become demons, rascals, so they must suffer. There is no other way.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationNovember41973Delhi_36" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="85" link="Room Conversation -- November 4, 1973, Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation -- November 4, 1973, Delhi">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- November 4, 1973, Delhi|Room Conversation -- November 4, 1973, Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (speaking in background)</p>
<p>Guest: You see what happens.... Suppose you see in a house there are four liters of milk, you see, and each one is given 100 rupees, you see, then they will buy each one, let's say one liter. And if they are given 200 rupees the one who has got 200 rupees, they get one for also 200 rupees, you see? So what is happening is people who have got black money, they want the things for themselves, there is a price there.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How they get black market?</p>
<p>Guest: No, because stock being limited. Suppose a medicine is being wanted, a man is willing to give anything for that medicine.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So far I have got experience the stock is available if you pay for it.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember41973LosAngeles_37" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="89" link="Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That you will have to learn, just like you have to go to school, there is injunction. But if you do not know what is school, go to a cow farmer(?), then that is your fault. If I say, "You go and purchase this from the market," suppose you have to purchase gold, but you go to a storefront, milk seller, how you will get the gold? That intelligence you must have, that where gold can be had. You must go to the person who is dealing really with gold. But if you do not know, then you will be cheated. That much knowledge you must have.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember41973LosAngeles_38" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="89" link="Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 4, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That ignorance is there, but the hook... Not only out of ignorance, out of greediness. That if you become more greedy, he knows that there is sufficient food in the sea, but the rascal is greedy, he's taking another... Due to his rascaldom, he's dying. Greediness. So similarly, all arrangement is there, God-made. Even for human beings. But because they're rascals, they're greedy. They're greedy. Although their greediness cannot satisfy them, everyone is greedy because the law of nature is equal to everyone. If law of nature can supply food to the birds and beast and everyone, why not to the human beings? What human being has done? But they're rascal, greedy, therefore suffering. More, wants more. There is already food grains, milk, flowers, fruits, immense supply, but he'll cut the throat of another animal. Greedy. And they're suffering, committing sinful activities.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember71973LosAngeles_39" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="92" link="Morning Walk -- December 7, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 7, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 7, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 7, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Dr. Wolfe: But that is just what they do not want to accept.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is foolishness. That is foolishness. They do not take good advice. That is foolishness. Foolishness means mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakipaya na śāntaye (?). Mūrkha, a rascal, if you give him good advice, he'll be angry. Just like a serpent, if you bring the serpent and if you tell the serpent, "My dear friend serpent, you live with me. I shall give you daily nice food, milk and banana. You'll be very pleased." So the result will be that his poison will increase. One day he'll say, "Phaḥ! Phaḥ!" (laughter) So these rascals are like that.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But they won't give up hopes. They are always hopeful.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. Their hopes are being frustrated every moment; still, they are hoping. That is foolishness.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember311973LosAngeles_40" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="110" link="Morning Walk -- December 31, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 31, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 31, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 31, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The money is to be kept in cattle and grains. That is Indian economy, cattle and grains. If you have got many cows, you get milk. Milk preparation. And if you have got grain, then where is your problem? You prepare your foodstuff at home and eat and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Where is your problem? You want to eat and live peacefully. So if you have got grains and milk, you have got enough food and there is no problem. You haven't got to go fifty miles for your work, and then you require a tin car. So many problems. But if you get your food at home, then eat them and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and go back to home, back to Godhead. Simple thing.</p>
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