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<div id="Lectures" class="section" sec_index="4" parent="compilation" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2>
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<div id="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Lectures" text="Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures"><h3>Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonBG12122LondonJuly181973_0" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="14" link="Lecture on BG 1.21-22 -- London, July 18, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 1.21-22 -- London, July 18, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 1.21-22 -- London, July 18, 1973|Lecture on BG 1.21-22 -- London, July 18, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Imperfect knowledge. Or making adjustment for their own benefit. Now they are making correction: "Thou shalt not kill," "Thou shalt not murder." That means it will come to human being. But the actual commandment is "Thou shalt not kill." But these Christian people, they are making some amendment, "Thou shalt not murder." Because murder will apply to the killing of human beings. But Lord Jesus Christ never said like that. "Thou shalt not kill." It is applicable both for human being and for animal or even for trees. Unnecessarily you cannot kill. That is sādhu. Suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām ([[Vanisource:BG 5.29 (1972)|BG 5.29]]). "Don't kill my brother, but you can kill my neighbors." Not like that. He is not sādhu. Sādhu is kind to all living entities.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG2111JohannesburgOctober171975_1" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="33" link="Lecture on BG 2.1-11 -- Johannesburg, October 17, 1975" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.1-11 -- Johannesburg, October 17, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.1-11 -- Johannesburg, October 17, 1975|Lecture on BG 2.1-11 -- Johannesburg, October 17, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Those who are tapasvī, they can excuse, but those who are in the governmental post, to make justice, there is no question of excuse. Life for life. "You have killed one man; you must be killed." This is justice. A brāhmaṇa, he may excuse, "All right, you have killed my man. Never mind. I excuse you." That is a brāhmaṇa's business. But a kṣatriya, the government, the ruling power, he cannot do so. It is his mercy. It is the government's mercy when a murderer is hanged. That is the injunction in the Manu-saṁhitā. "So parantapa, you are kṣatriya. Your business is to punish the unjust."</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG23LondonAugust41973_2" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="36" link="Lecture on BG 2.3 -- London, August 4, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.3 -- London, August 4, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.3 -- London, August 4, 1973|Lecture on BG 2.3 -- London, August 4, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So this capital punishment is required. Nowadays the capital punishment is excused. Murderers are not hanged. This is all mistake, all rascaldom. A murderer must be killed. No mercy. Why a human killer? Even an animal killer should be immediately hanged? That is kingdom. The king should be so strict. So this sympathy is like Arjuna's sympathy. The sympathy... Now the state is sympathizing with the murderer not to be killed. This is Arjuna. That is hṛdaya-daurbalyam. That is not duty. One has to discharge the duty ordered by the superior authority very strictly, without any consideration. So these are weakness of the heart, this kind of sympathy. But ordinary person will not understand.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG22025SeattleOctober141968_3" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="83" link="Lecture on BG 2.20-25 -- Seattle, October 14, 1968" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.20-25 -- Seattle, October 14, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.20-25 -- Seattle, October 14, 1968|Lecture on BG 2.20-25 -- Seattle, October 14, 1968]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Viṣṇujana: 21: "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill ([[Vanisource:BG 2.21 (1972)|BG 2.21]])?" Purport: "Everything has its utility, and a man who is situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing for its proper utility. Similarly violence also has its use, and how to apply violence rests with the person in knowledge. Although the justice of the peace awards capital punishment to a person condemned for murder, the justice of the peace cannot be blamed because he orders violence to another according to the codes of justice. In the Manu-saṁhitā,..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Manu-saṁhitā, yes.</p>
<p>Viṣṇujana: "...the lawbook for mankind, it is supported that a murderer should be condemned to death so that in his next life he will not have to suffer for the great sin he has committed. Therefore the king's punishment of hanging a murderer is actually beneficial. Similarly when Kṛṣṇa orders fighting, it must be concluded that violence is for the supreme justice, and as such, Arjuna should follow the instruction, knowing well that such violence committed in the act of fighting for justice is not at all violence.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG22738LosAngelesDecember111968_4" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="94" link="Lecture on BG 2.27-38 -- Los Angeles, December 11, 1968" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.27-38 -- Los Angeles, December 11, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.27-38 -- Los Angeles, December 11, 1968|Lecture on BG 2.27-38 -- Los Angeles, December 11, 1968]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee: We see it every day.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no difficulty to find out a madman. Any man you find out, he's a madman. And that is medical version also. That is medical version. In India, there was a case. A man was murdered, and the criminal lawyer pleaded that he was in madness. So the expert medical practitioner was invited and he was asked to examine whether this man is in madness. So he said that "So far my experience goes, I have studied, every man is a madman, more or less."</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG232LondonSeptember21973_5" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="98" link="Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973|Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">This is government. Therefore, the injunction is kṣatriya hi prajā rakṣan śastra-pāṇiḥ pradaṇḍayan. Always must be very strict. Nirjitya para-sainyādi dharmeṇa pālayet. This is dharma. In the Manu-smṛti it is said that if a man, a murderer, one man has killed another man... Why man? Even animal. He's a murderer. Now murdering is no offense. They are killing daily so many babies within the womb, murderers. That has become a custom. They're killing hundreds and thousands of animals daily in the slaughterhouse. It has become a custom. So now even human being, murder, he's not condemned to death.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG232LondonSeptember21973_6" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="98" link="Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973|Lecture on BG 2.32 -- London, September 2, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So in the Manu-smṛti, as I am quoting from Parāśara-smṛti, there are smṛti-śāstras. The Manu-smṛti, it is said that if a man commits murder, then he should be killed. Otherwise, he'll suffer in the next life. So many sufferings. So the king's order to condemn a murderer to death is a mercy, is a mercy for him. Because he's saved from future, so many troubles. So the king should be so strict. Not that by compassion. "No. He's murderer. That's all right. He has killed one man. Why he should be killed?" No. He must be killed. This is the law. Here it is also, Parāśara-smṛti, it is said that kṣatriya should be always śastra-pāṇi, and must strictly, as soon as there is any discrepancy, he must take...</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG24951NewYorkApril51966_7" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="108" link="Lecture on BG 2.49-51 -- New York, April 5, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.49-51 -- New York, April 5, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.49-51 -- New York, April 5, 1966|Lecture on BG 2.49-51 -- New York, April 5, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Somebody's offering his body for country's cause. Somebody's offering body for the society's cause. Or somebody's offering body for theft case or some murdering case. We have, everyone has to offer his body at the end. But the man who sacrifices this body for the purpose of self-realization, he's the most intelligent man. Sannimitte varaṁ tyāga vināśe niyate sati. You'll have to meet death, undoubtedly, but before meeting death...</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG3813NewYorkMay201966_8" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="117" link="Lecture on BG 3.8-13 -- New York, May 20, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 3.8-13 -- New York, May 20, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 3.8-13 -- New York, May 20, 1966|Lecture on BG 3.8-13 -- New York, May 20, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Suppose we are... When we are walking on the street there are many ants who are being killed on the pressure of our shoes. So that is also counted as sin. In God's kingdom, in God's, I mean to say, state. Just like here you have to pay by your life if you kill one man. If you commit a murder, you have to repay this murdering sin by your own life. That is, of course, imperfect law, man-made law. Similarly, in God's law also, if you kill any living entity, you have to suffer for that, because in the God's eye there is no question of man or animal or ant or fly or something like that.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG31720NewYorkMay271966_9" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="123" link="Lecture on BG 3.17-20 -- New York, May 27, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 3.17-20 -- New York, May 27, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 3.17-20 -- New York, May 27, 1966|Lecture on BG 3.17-20 -- New York, May 27, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Oh, He had no necessity of presenting Himself in the battlefield of Kurukṣetra. But it is for us because we are very much anxious to know where battle is going on, where fighting is going on, where detective is working, where murder is committed. All these literatures attract us very much. Stories and literatures, all these things, they attract very much. In a bookshop you go, if you ask them, "Supply me one copy of Bhagavad-gītā," he will have to find out. But if you ask a bookseller, "Give me some novels," oh, he will present so many things.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG46BombayMarch261974_10" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="142" link="Lecture on BG 4.6 -- Bombay, March 26, 1974" link_text="Lecture on BG 4.6 -- Bombay, March 26, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.6 -- Bombay, March 26, 1974|Lecture on BG 4.6 -- Bombay, March 26, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We should not take Kṛṣṇa as one of us because He is bhūtānām īśvaraḥ. Bhūtānām īśvaro 'pi san. Just like a crude example may be given. When there was independence movement, Mahatma Gandhi went to jail, and many, many big leaders. But there are other criminals also, pickpockets and thieves and murderers. If they would think, "Now Mahatma Gandhi has come into jail. We are the same. We are the same." No. Similarly, when Kṛṣṇa comes, if the rascals and fools think that "Kṛṣṇa is also like us, as we have come into this material world," they are fools. No. We are forced. Just like criminal, a pickpocket or a thief, a rogue, a murderer. He is forced to... So of course, here, Mahatma Gandhi was also forced. But that is not the case. Because He is the controller.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG479NewYorkJuly221966_11" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="146" link="Lecture on BG 4.7-9 -- New York, July 22, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 4.7-9 -- New York, July 22, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.7-9 -- New York, July 22, 1966|Lecture on BG 4.7-9 -- New York, July 22, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So it is not a very difficult job. Unfortunately, people apply their own scholastic ideas in a different way and they murder the whole thing. You see? The simple thing is that if we understand it as it is, then it is as simple as anything. But if you want to...</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG41118LosAngelesJanuary81969_12" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="163" link="Lecture on BG 4.11-18 -- Los Angeles, January 8, 1969" link_text="Lecture on BG 4.11-18 -- Los Angeles, January 8, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.11-18 -- Los Angeles, January 8, 1969|Lecture on BG 4.11-18 -- Los Angeles, January 8, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like you are working on account of the state. The state orders you to fight so you are fighting, you are killing so many men. There is no reaction. But without state's order if you kill one man, immediately becomes a murderer. There is reaction immediately. This is very simple to understand. Similarly, if you act on the supreme order there is no reaction and if you act on your own account there will be reaction. Own account means whatever you do, either you suffer or you enjoy.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG41419NewYorkAugust31966_13" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="173" link="Lecture on BG 4.14-19 -- New York, August 3, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 4.14-19 -- New York, August 3, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 4.14-19 -- New York, August 3, 1966|Lecture on BG 4.14-19 -- New York, August 3, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">For example, for example, just like the state. The state has got some laws. Now, suppose if you commit murder, it will be hang, you will be hanged. That is the state law. So if you again, against the state law you commit some murder, you will be hanged. This is vikarma, and I should be cautious. But when the state orders, itself, that "You go and fight. Kill the enemy," that is neither karma nor vikarma. So similarly, when we act under the direction of Kṛṣṇa, that is akarma. That means that karma, that kind of activities, has no reaction.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG71112BombayFebruary251974_14" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="280" link="Lecture on BG 7.11-12 -- Bombay, February 25, 1974" link_text="Lecture on BG 7.11-12 -- Bombay, February 25, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 7.11-12 -- Bombay, February 25, 1974|Lecture on BG 7.11-12 -- Bombay, February 25, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So then let us use contraceptive." This is greatest sinful life. Greatest sinful life. You are killing, murderer. Now in the Western countries, they are actually killing. They have made law. So if the society has become so awfully sinful, how they can expect peace and prosperity? That is not possible. That is not possible.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG94MelbourneApril231976_15" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="308" link="Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976" link_text="Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976|Lecture on BG 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So all these crazy men sometimes makes the psychiatrist a crazy also. So more or less, everyone is crazy. That is the... It is not my layman's opinion. It is the opinion of a big medical surgeon. There was a case in the court, murder case. The murderer pleaded that "I became crazy, mad, at that time." That is generally... So the medical man was called to examine. He was great civil surgeon in Calcutta.</p>
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<div id="LectureonBG134ParisAugust121973_16" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="349" link="Lecture on BG 13.4 -- Paris, August 12, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 13.4 -- Paris, August 12, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 13.4 -- Paris, August 12, 1973|Lecture on BG 13.4 -- Paris, August 12, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is not śāstra, it is the opinion of medical science also. The medical science. In India there was a case, a murderer. So his pleader, lawyer pleaded that "This man, when committed this murder, he was insane." So the judge called for the civil surgeon to examine him whether he has got such tendency, insanity. So he gave evidence, "My lord, so far my knowledge concerned, I have tested so many men, everyone is insane. It is a question of degree. Now if you consider that he was insane, you, that is your business to punish him, or not punish him. But so far my knowledge is concerned, I have studied so many men and I have found they are all insane." Actually that is the position.</p>
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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Lectures" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures"><h3>Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonSB1212LosAngelesAugust151972_0" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="63" link="Lecture on SB 1.2.12 -- Los Angeles, August 15, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.2.12 -- Los Angeles, August 15, 1972">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.2.12 -- Los Angeles, August 15, 1972|Lecture on SB 1.2.12 -- Los Angeles, August 15, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We must be very, very eager so that... And many gopīs who were forcibly stopped, going to Kṛṣṇa, they lost their life. Just see how much eager they are. So this eagerness is wanted. Then you can see God. Either you become lusty or a thief or a murderer or whatever it may be. Some way or other, if you develop this eagerness, that "I must see Kṛṣṇa," then Kṛṣṇa will be seen.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB173839VrndavanaSeptember301976_1" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="188" link="Lecture on SB 1.7.38-39 -- Vrndavana, September 30, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.7.38-39 -- Vrndavana, September 30, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.7.38-39 -- Vrndavana, September 30, 1976|Lecture on SB 1.7.38-39 -- Vrndavana, September 30, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">In the śāstra it is said that one who is a criminal, he should be killed. Therefore in every country, up to date, a murderer is killed, is hanged. That is good for him. If a murderer is killed in this life, punished by the state, government, then his sinful activities and the resultant action is also finished. He's giving his own life. Otherwise, if he escapes, in next life he'll suffer so many troubles.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB174950VrndavanaOctober71976_2" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="195" link="Lecture on SB 1.7.49-50 -- Vrndavana, October 7, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.7.49-50 -- Vrndavana, October 7, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.7.49-50 -- Vrndavana, October 7, 1976|Lecture on SB 1.7.49-50 -- Vrndavana, October 7, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like even in judgement... The other day I told you the judgement given to a murderer. There must be some consideration, sakaruṇam. Sakaruṇam means mercy. Not that... Because one has committed murder in a fanatic condition, he is excused sometimes. That is sakaruṇam. The judgement should be given not simply on the superficial causes. Everything should be con... Dharmyaṁ nyāyyaṁ sakaruṇaṁ nirvyalīkam. Suppose a child commits something wrong. He is not punished. A brāhmaṇa. A brāhmaṇa never commits any sinful activity. If he, sometimes in an unnatural condition, if he does something. So he should be excused.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1846LosAngelesMay81973_3" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="252" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.46 -- Los Angeles, May 8, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.46 -- Los Angeles, May 8, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.46 -- Los Angeles, May 8, 1973|Lecture on SB 1.8.46 -- Los Angeles, May 8, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Everyone has got soul. Even a small ant has got soul. But they have to kill. They have to eat. They are philosophizing different way. Lord Jesus Christ said, "Thou shalt not kill," and now they are interpreting, "Killing means murdering human being." But that is not in the Bible.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1847MayapuraOctober271974_4" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="255" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.47 -- Mayapura, October 27, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.47 -- Mayapura, October 27, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.47 -- Mayapura, October 27, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.8.47 -- Mayapura, October 27, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There is another story—it may be fact—that a boy was raised by his aunt very liberally. Then, gradually, the boy became, in bad association, a thief. And the aunt was encouraging, "Oh, it is a very good business. You are bringing so many things without any labor." So... Or out of affection he (she) did not chastise the boy when he was stealing. Then he, at the end, became a murderer. So he committed a murder. Then when he was to be hanged, so the government men inquired, "What is your last wish?" "Now, I want to speak with my aunt through the ear." Then he was allowed. And the aunt was generally crying that "My nephew is going to be hanged." She was... So he caught up her ear with the teeth and cut it.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1849MayapuraOctober291974_5" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="258" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.49 -- Mayapura, October 29, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.49 -- Mayapura, October 29, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.49 -- Mayapura, October 29, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.8.49 -- Mayapura, October 29, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Those who have taken, fully surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, bhakti-bhājām, karmāṇi nirdahati, their karma, nirdahati, means as far as possible the result is diminished or practically made nil. Even it is there, karma-phala, very slight. Just like the example is just like one is condemned to be murdered by somebody by cutting his head, but by Kṛṣṇa's grace he may be saved from cutting the head. Suppose there is some accident by knife in the hand. They are calculated like that.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1850LosAngelesMay121973_6" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="259" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.50 -- Los Angeles, May 12, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.50 -- Los Angeles, May 12, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.50 -- Los Angeles, May 12, 1973|Lecture on SB 1.8.50 -- Los Angeles, May 12, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">He has done wrong to me. I cannot take directly to punish him. No. That you cannot do. You have to lodge the complaint to the government agent, and if required, government can kill him, sanction, "Kill this man. He is a murderer." So the sanction should come from there. Similarly, these divisions, very scientific. Killing business is for the kṣatriya, not for the brāhmaṇas. Kṣatriya, he can kill; there is no sin for him. The brāhmaṇas are not going to kill.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1852LosAngelesMay141973_7" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="261" link="Lecture on SB 1.8.52 -- Los Angeles, May 14, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.8.52 -- Los Angeles, May 14, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.8.52 -- Los Angeles, May 14, 1973|Lecture on SB 1.8.52 -- Los Angeles, May 14, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">One atonement is that you go to the jail and live there for some time. This is atonement. If you have committed a murder, then you also be hanged. These are the laws. When the king orders somebody to be hanged on account of his committing murder, the king is not sinful. King is helpful. King is helping that rascal to atone his murdering activities. Otherwise, if he is not hanged, then next life, next time, he will be put into difficulty. Next time he will have to become animal. He will be slaughtered. These laws they do not know. Why these animals are being slaughtered? There is some nature's law. They were murderer or slaughterer in their past life as human being. Now they have assumed, they have accepted a body to be slaughtered by the laws of nature. When an animal is slaughtered in sacrifice, there is mantra. The mantra is that... The animal slaughter in sacrifice is recommended for the animal-eaters, not for all. Those who are... To restrict.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB1168LosAngelesJanuary51974_8" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="325" link="Lecture on SB 1.16.8 -- Los Angeles, January 5, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.16.8 -- Los Angeles, January 5, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.16.8 -- Los Angeles, January 5, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.16.8 -- Los Angeles, January 5, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Another man, not living entity. There is punishment. The law punishes. If you kill someone, if you commit murder, then you will be punished. This is punishable. But because it is man-made law, therefore it is defective. A man is a living entity, and a cow is also a living entity. Why this discrimination, that if a man is murdered or killed, that murderer must be punished? But that law is not permissible in God's law. In God's law, either you kill a man or you kill an ant, you are punishable. You are punishable. You cannot avoid this. Because in the eyes of God, the Brahmā, Lord Brahmā, and a small ant, they are all sons of God.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB11617LosAngelesJanuary121974_9" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="331" link="Lecture on SB 1.16.17 -- Los Angeles, January 12, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.16.17 -- Los Angeles, January 12, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.16.17 -- Los Angeles, January 12, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.16.17 -- Los Angeles, January 12, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There are many lawyers, many scientists. They do harm, but legally. Legal murderer, legal cheaters, so many things. We have got experience, every one of us. If you can protect yourself under the cover of law and you cheat others, then it is nice. But you cannot cheat the supervision of the Supreme. That you cannot do.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB11636TokyoJanuary301974_10" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="347" link="Lecture on SB 1.16.36 -- Tokyo, January 30, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.16.36 -- Tokyo, January 30, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.16.36 -- Tokyo, January 30, 1974|Lecture on SB 1.16.36 -- Tokyo, January 30, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like a person who has committed murder, the state law is, "Finish him, otherwise he will commit another murder." If he's encouraged... Therefore, by finishing him, there are two purposes. One purpose is served that because he has done something very grievous sinful activity, by sacrificing his own life, he becomes relieved from the sinful reaction. That is the law in the Manu-saṁhitā. I have not manufactured. The murderer is condemned to death just to save him from many following resultant actions of sinful activities. If in this life, he gives his life, "Life for life," then he's safe. In the next life, he takes his birth clean, not suffering any more on account of the sinful activities. This is the statement in Manu-saṁhitā. Another instruction is that if this murderer is killed, then he will be saved from committing again murder.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB2916TokyoApril301972_11" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="416" link="Lecture on SB 2.9.16 -- Tokyo, April 30, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 2.9.16 -- Tokyo, April 30, 1972">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 2.9.16 -- Tokyo, April 30, 1972|Lecture on SB 2.9.16 -- Tokyo, April 30, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So everything in detail you'll find, the kingdom of God, the nature of that atmosphere, the devotees, the inhabitants. Everything is there clearly. So the festival today is murdered.(?)</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB32620BombayDecember291974_12" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="481" link="Lecture on SB 3.26.20 -- Bombay, December 29, 1974" link_text="Lecture on SB 3.26.20 -- Bombay, December 29, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 3.26.20 -- Bombay, December 29, 1974|Lecture on SB 3.26.20 -- Bombay, December 29, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">That we do not know because we are sleeping. If a man is sleeping and somebody is coming to kill him, he does not know that "Somebody is coming to kill me. Immediately I will be dead." There are so many cases of murder while a man is sleeping. Similarly, in this sleeping state of ignorance, that "I am this body," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am Christian," there is greatest danger. So somebody required. A man is sleeping, and another man is coming to kill him. A third person is required to awaken: "Mr. such and such, get up, get up, get up! The man is coming to kill you." So the ear is open, although the man is sleeping, all other parts of the body, limbs of the body are inactive. So the ear is open. So therefore the Vedic mantras are called śruti.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB5512StockholmSeptember71973_13" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="521" link="Lecture on SB 5.5.1-2 -- Stockholm, September 7, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 5.5.1-2 -- Stockholm, September 7, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 5.5.1-2 -- Stockholm, September 7, 1973|Lecture on SB 5.5.1-2 -- Stockholm, September 7, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We purchase." They think that "Let me enjoy meat-eating. Those who are killing in the slaughterhouse, they will be responsible. I am free." No. Because you are associating with such persons, according to Manu-saṁhitā when an animal is killed, eight persons become condemned with murdering charges. Eight persons. One who kills, one who orders, one who purchases, one who cooks, one who eats—so many. That is the law. Just like one man is murdered. That murdering is committed by one man, but if has got many associates who has induced him, who has supplied him the weapon, or giving, so many assisted—all of them are arrested. This is the law. As we have got law here, here we can escape man-made laws, but you cannot escape God-made laws.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB553StockholmSeptember91973_14" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="533" link="Lecture on SB 5.5.3 -- Stockholm, September 9, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 5.5.3 -- Stockholm, September 9, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 5.5.3 -- Stockholm, September 9, 1973|Lecture on SB 5.5.3 -- Stockholm, September 9, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You cannot kill anyone. Just like in the state laws, if you kill somebody, then you'll be hanged. This is the law: life for life. That is sanctioned in the śāstras, Manu-saṁhitā. When a person is a murderer, he should be killed. Why he should be killed? Because he'll be saved from so many dangerous conditions in his next life. That they do not know. They do not believe in the next life.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB616BombayNovember61970_15" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="583" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970|Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like if a man who has committed murder... His prāyaścitta is that he should be hanged. This is prāyaścitta, life for life. That is Manu-saṁhitā. This hanging a condemned person, a murderer, is a mercy to him. That is stated in the Manu-saṁhitā. People are becoming now sympathetic that "Whatever is done is done. Let this man be saved." This kind of sympathy is no good.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB616BombayNovember61970_16" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="583" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970|Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So we hear from the śāstras. You may not believe, but we can see practically that a man who has committed murder, he is also hanged. There is no doubt about it. "Life for life." So how these foolish persons very, I mean to say, boldly killing animal? If it is a fact even in your state law that "life for life," how I can dare to commit murder or kill another animal? You see? And this is conclusion. The śāstra says that you have to pay that particular individual soul by your life.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB616BombayNovember61970_17" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="583" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970|Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Bombay, November 6, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">When I kill one animal for eating, I am taking the risk that "This animal sometimes will kill me." Exactly in the same way, life for life, murder, murderer is hanged—that is the law of the state—so why not that law in the state of the Supreme? Is that very unreasonable? But they do not see. Parīkṣit Mahārāja says that dṛṣṭa-śruta. In the scriptures or in the religious lawbooks I have heard it that this kind of sin will be reacted in this way. And dṛṣṭa, and I have seen also that a man committing murder is hanged.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB616SydneyFebruary171973_18" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="584" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Sydney, February 17, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Sydney, February 17, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Sydney, February 17, 1973|Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Sydney, February 17, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like here, according to Vedic principle, the laws are given by Manu, Manu. From Manu, the word manuṣya has come, or "man." And there is Manu-saṁhitā. In the Manu-saṁhitā it is stated that if a man commits murder then he should be hanged. He should be hanged. That is followed by every human society. Why? Because the sinful activities which he has enacted, if he is punished in this life, then he'll not so suffer again in the next life. His punishment will be finished. So that is a favor. If a murderer is hanged, then that is a favor shown by the government, because the next life you'll not have to suffer.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB616HonoluluJune81975_19" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="585" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Honolulu, June 8, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Honolulu, June 8, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Honolulu, June 8, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.1.6 -- Honolulu, June 8, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Suppose one is very pet son of his father, and he commits murder, and he thinks "If there is any punishment my father will suffer." Will it be done? Will it be done? When he is arrested, if he says, "No, you can release me. You can arrest my father because I am very pet son of my father," so will the government will do that, that you have committed murder and your father will be arrested? No. This is quite unreasonable. You have committed murder, you must be hanged. Nor your father nor your son nor your brother. This is the law. So that is the law. If you commit sinful life, then you must suffer, not anyone else. But we are thinking like that: "That let me go on doing all nonsense and somebody for me will suffer." No, that is not the law.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61615SanFranciscoSeptember121968_20" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="589" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968|Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So we should not neglect. And in the Manu-saṁhitā it is enjoined that when a man is a murderer, that we have got practical experience, the king condemns him to death. And the Manu-saṁhitā supports that it is good. It is good for him. In every country and every law that "life for life" is good. Because if he's hanged in this life, then next life he hasn't got to suffer. His all sinful reaction is finished, being hanged. Therefore in every state, and especially in the Manu-saṁhitā, it is said that it is king's mercy when a person is hanged for his murdering sinful activities; it is to be thought that king's mercy.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61615SanFranciscoSeptember121968_21" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="589" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968|Lecture on SB 6.1.6-15 -- San Francisco, September 12, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">A man has killed somebody, murder, and he's going to be hanged. Everyone sees it. Then why does he commit the same thing? He has seen it that "My friend committed a murder." Or forget murdering..., committed something else which is against the law of the state, and he's punished. Dṛṣṭa-śruta. Dṛṣṭa means by seeing, and sruta means by hearing. Just like you are hearing. We are all hearing from authoritative scripture. This is called śruta, śruti, hearing. Not this scripture. Everyone has heard that if you commit theft, then you'll go to prison for six months.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB617HonoluluMay81976_22" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="592" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.7 -- Honolulu, May 8, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.7 -- Honolulu, May 8, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.7 -- Honolulu, May 8, 1976|Lecture on SB 6.1.7 -- Honolulu, May 8, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Even in Christian Bible there is atonement. So in other scriptures also there is atonement. Just like a man who has committed murder, he must die. "Life for life." This is atonement. When the government punishes a murderer with capital punishment, death, that is a mercy upon him. That punishment is accepted practically all over the world from time immemorial. So there must be atonement. So if a person who has committed murder, killed somebody else, then if he is punished by death, then the sinful activities which he has committed, that is counteracted. Otherwise he will have to suffer next life very severely, four times.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB618NewYorkJuly221971_23" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="593" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So Śukadeva Gosvāmī says that "Before your death, if you accept some atonement, then next life you'll not suffer. Otherwise you'll carry with you the resultant action of your sinful activities and you'll have to suffer next life." Just like in the state laws, if you kill some man, murder, then the state law says that you shall be also hanged. "Life for life."</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB618NewYorkJuly221971_24" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="593" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- New York, July 22, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So in the Manu-saṁhitā it is stated there that when the king kills one man, or hangs one man who is a murderer, that is benefit to him. Otherwise, if he's not killed, then he will carry the reaction of his murdering action, and he'll have to suffer in so many ways. The laws of nature are very subtle. They are very diligently administered. People do not know it. So on the whole, the Manu-saṁhitā, life for life is sanctioned. And that is practically observed all over the world. But similarly, there are other laws, that you cannot kill even an ant.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB618LosAngelesJune211975_25" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="594" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Therefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī is advising that "Before your death, you should atone for the sinful activities, what you have done." Just like in the Manu-saṁhitā, if a man has committed some murder, it is advised that King should order him to be hanged. Otherwise next life he will have to suffer so much. So this order of hanging a murderer is a kind of kindness to the criminal.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB618LosAngelesJune211975_26" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="594" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.1.8 -- Los Angeles, June 21, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">We use this word guru. Guru means heavy. So according to the criminal activities Just like a man has stolen some fruit from a fruit shop, his criminality is not equal to the man who has committed murder—one he has killed one man. This is guru-lāghavam. So there is punishment according to the heaviness and lightness of criminal activities. The example is given here: bhiṣak cikitseta rujāṁ nidānavit. Just like you go to a physician for treatment of your disease, he gives different types of medicine. Not that one medicine for everyone.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB619LosAngelesJune221975_27" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="596" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.9 -- Los Angeles, June 22, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.9 -- Los Angeles, June 22, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.9 -- Los Angeles, June 22, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.1.9 -- Los Angeles, June 22, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is our direct experience. And śrutābhyām, by hearing from the lawbook or scripture, whatever you take... In the lawbook it is stated that "You commit a theft, then you will be punished, imprisoned, for six months. Or if you commit murder, then you will be hanged." This is called śrutābhyām, by hearing. We have got two senses: one, by the knowledge-acquiring senses, and practical working senses. So dṛṣṭa means our eyes are working, and we see that a criminal is arrested and he is punished. And śruta means knowledge-gathering. Just like you gather knowledge from book.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_28" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The other day I was explaining. Just like the state law is that if you commit a murder, if you kill your fellow man, then you have to atone that sinful activity by being killed, by offering your life. That's a fact. Everyone knows it. You cannot escape. If you have killed one man... Of course, not man; if you kill even an ant, you are responsible for that, what to speak of man. Because that distinction is imperfect because this is man-made law. Man-made law, they're taking consideration of the man being killed. Another, the killer, must be killed. Why not an animal? The animal also a living entity. The man is also living entity.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_29" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">A man... Suppose a man... Of course, if..., if he commits murder, he's killed and gone. That's another thing. The, the Śukadeva Gosvāmī's proposal was that tasmāt puraiva āśu iha pāpa-niṣkṛtau yateta mṛtyor avipadyatātmanā. "Before your death, next death comes, you should perform atonement so that you may not carry the sinful activities to suffer next life." If I do not commit, perform atonement for the commit, for the sinful activities, then nature will not excuse me. You'll have to take the effect of it and suffer in the next life. The law... As I explained the other day, that a murderer should be killed, that is mercy upon him. The, when the king orders... It is very old law.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_30" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommended that considering the gravity of your sinful life, you should undergo a type of atonement. They are prescribed in the śāstras. You have to do that. Otherwise, there is no rescue. Exactly like that, if you have committed murder, if you become killed here, then your sinful activities is neutralized. Otherwise, you'll have to suffer next life. So when a king orders a subject, or the state orders that "This man should be hanged," it is not cruelty to him. It is mercy. They do not know. It is a mercy. Otherwise why... Every state, anywhere you go, the law is there, "Life for life."</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_31" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So atonement must be done. But King Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he's very intelligent. He says, "All right, Sir, there is atonement. By performing some type of atonement I become free from the sinful activities." Suppose a man, he has committed murder and he's killed. So the sinful reaction of his committing a murder is neutralized. But it does not mean that next time, next life he'll not again kill another man. That is not guaranteed. Exactly like that, you are diseased, the physician gives you medicine, you are cured. But it is not guarantee that you'll not be attacked again by that type of disease.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_32" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">This is intelligent question. He says: dṛṣṭvā, dṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpam ([[Vanisource:SB 6.1.9|SB 6.1.9]]). Dṛṣṭa means just like one man sees this man has committed murder and he's hanged. Everyone sees. And in the lawbook it is said that if a man commits murder he'll be hanged. So śruta means we have heard it from authoritative sources; lawbook is authoritative source. Just like śāstra. Śāstra and lawbook is the same. Śāstra means that which controls. Śās-dhātu. Śāstra, śastra, śāsana, śiṣya comes from the same root.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB61813NewYorkJuly241971_33" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="599" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971|Lecture on SB 6.1.8-13 -- New York, July 24, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Everyone knows it, jānan, everyone knows that this is pāpa, this is sinful activity. Everyone knows. Nobody can say that "I do not know that is sinful activities." Who does not know that stealing is sinful, committing murder is sinful, or so many other things? So Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquires that dṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpaṁ jānann apy ātmano 'hitam ([[Vanisource:SB 6.1.9|SB 6.1.9]]). "And he knows that 'It is not good for me; if I steal I'll be arrested, I'll be punished, I'll be put into jail. That is not a very comfortable life.' He knows that." Karoti bhūyo vivaśaḥ. "But he commits again and again, vivaśaḥ, as if forced by something, forced by something." Karoti bhūyo vivaśaḥ prāyaścittam atho katham ([[Vanisource:SB 6.1.9|SB 6.1.9]]).</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB6132HonoluluMay311976_34" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="655" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976|Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So that is fixed up. But as there is some exceptional cases... Just like one has committed murder, so by law he must be hanged. By law. That is the general law everywhere, all over the world: life for life. So similarly, in the God's law there is no such thing that if you kill a human being you'll be killed, and if you kill an animal you won't be killed. That is imperfect law, man-made law. Therefore Jesus Christ said, "Thou shall not kill." No question of... They have modified, "This killing means murdering." Christ does not say. What is your proof that if you committed mistake, a mistake, instead of writing "Thou shall not commit murder," here is written, "Thou shall not kill," general. Otherwise Christ has no intelligence. He cannot use the proper word. But you are misusing the order of Lord Christ.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB6132HonoluluMay311976_35" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="655" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976|Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So you are suffering. You are maintaining so many slaughterhouses, and when it will be mature, there will be war, the wholesale murder. Finished. One atom bomb—finished. You'll have to suffer. Don't think that "Innocent animals, they cannot protest. Let us kill and eat." No. You'll be also punished. Wait for accumulation of your sinful activities, and there will be war, and the America will drop the atom bomb, and Russia will be finished. Both will be finished. Go on now enjoying. It takes time. Just like even if you infect some disease, it takes time.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB6132HonoluluMay311976_36" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="655" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976|Lecture on SB 6.1.32 -- Honolulu, May 31, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Who will ask the police, "Why you are entering here?" No. Nobody has right. (indistinct) But why this punishment? Just to save him from so many other punishments. That is the law in Manu-saṁhitā, that a murderer is killed, then his all sinful activities, reaction of life, finishes by that killing, by that hanging. Otherwise next life he has to suffer so many things. So when the king orders a murderer to be killed, it is his mercy. It is his mercy. Because he saves him from so many other entanglement. Better kill him so that his sinful reaction is finished. Similarly, Yamarāja, the sinful man taken to the Yamarāja, he is put into suffering, the same principle as a prisoner. He has to suffer for a time, six months or one year or sometimes more than that, just to atone for his sinful activities. So nobody can check.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB6216VrndavanaSeptember191975_37" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="717" link="Lecture on SB 6.2.16 -- Vrndavana, September 19, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.2.16 -- Vrndavana, September 19, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.2.16 -- Vrndavana, September 19, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.2.16 -- Vrndavana, September 19, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">There are different types of explanation, just like main is the Manu-saṁhitā. In the Manu-saṁhitā it is said that if a man kills, then he should be also killed. No excuse. From Manu-saṁhitā the hanging or killing of a murderer, that is enjoined. That is there. Maharṣibhiḥ. A killer of other animals or other living entities, he must be killed. This is Manu-saṁhitā. This is showing the mercy. When a king orders a murderer to be hanged, that is king's mercy. It is said in the Manu-saṁhitā. He is not to be excused. Life for life. Now imagine how many lives we are killing every day. We have now become very civilized.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB768VrndavanaDecember101975_38" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="760" link="Lecture on SB 7.6.8 -- Vrndavana, December 10, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.6.8 -- Vrndavana, December 10, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.6.8 -- Vrndavana, December 10, 1975|Lecture on SB 7.6.8 -- Vrndavana, December 10, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The pramattaḥ word is used in Ṛṣabhadeva's instruction also: nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma ([[Vanisource:SB 5.5.4|SB 5.5.4]]). Pramattaḥ: everyone is madman. That's a fact. Some years ago one man was condemned to death, and he pleaded that "While I committed this murder I was mad." So he was examined. He was to be examined by the civil servant, and the civil servant, when he came to the court, he said, "My lord, so far my experience goes, everyone is mad.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB798HawaiiMarch211969_39" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="798" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.8 -- Hawaii, March 21, 1969" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.8 -- Hawaii, March 21, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.8 -- Hawaii, March 21, 1969|Lecture on SB 7.9.8 -- Hawaii, March 21, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The high-court judge has simply given the judgment that "He should be hanged. He has committed murder. He should be hanged." Therefore your commitment, you committed murder, that you caused your hanging, not that high-court judge is your enemy, and he is giving you order to be hanged. You are the cause of your hanging. Similarly, God is impartial. He can give the judgment that "This man has committed this offense. He should be punished like this." These are common reasons. God is all kind.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB799MontrealJuly61968_40" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="803" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968|Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">It is sinful." But actually people are doing that because dictated by kāma, lust. It is actually very sinful, it is brūṇ-hatyā, murder. So how you can be that happy by continually committing murders? It is not possible. Therefore every religion, the contraceptive method will never be supported. It is brūṇ-hatyā mahā-pāpa, according to Vedic literature. So they are now proposing that you cannot use contraceptive devices, but people have become mad after lust. They must use. They are putting the population theory, but I don't believe in it.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB799MontrealJuly61968_41" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="803" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968|Lecture on SB 7.9.9 -- Montreal, July 6, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Law, the state law, does allow that "He is a śūdra. He is a lower class of man. Let him commit murder, and the law will not be applicable to him"? Does it mean? This contraceptive method is equivalent to commit murder. So either you are śūdra or a brāhmaṇa or kṣatriya, but it doesn't matter. If you commit murder, then you are putting yourself in difficulties.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB791314MontrealAugust221968_42" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="820" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.13-14 -- Montreal, August 22, 1968" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.13-14 -- Montreal, August 22, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.13-14 -- Montreal, August 22, 1968|Lecture on SB 7.9.13-14 -- Montreal, August 22, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So the asuras, the atheists, are just like vṛścika and sarpa, scorpion. Without any reason they occupy somebody's country, somebody's place, and kill somebody. This is going on. In the Manu-saṁhitā it is stated that when a king hangs some murderer it is a great favor to him. It is a great favor to him. In every country, in every civilization, the punishment is "Life for life." If you have killed somebody, then you shall be killed. And it is supported in Manu-saṁhitā that when the king orders that a murderer should be killed, that is a favor to him. Because if he is not killed, then the sinful activities, reaction, will continue, and the next birth he'll suffer. But if he's killed in this life, then all his sinful activities finished.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB7939MayapurMarch171976_43" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="845" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.39 -- Mayapur, March 17, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.39 -- Mayapur, March 17, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.39 -- Mayapur, March 17, 1976|Lecture on SB 7.9.39 -- Mayapur, March 17, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">When we can fulfill our desires—"I am very much inclined to a woman or a man"—kāmāturam, lusty desires, if we can fulfill, then it is very nice, harṣa: "Oh, I am very successful." And if you cannot fulfill, then śoka. Two things are there. Śoka, there are so many things. We have got practical examples. The so-called loving affairs of man and woman ends in even murder. We have got experience. So śokāturam. The lusty desires means for the time being it may be very happy condition, but the result is śoka. It will end. Either illicit sex or legal sex, the end is śoka, śoka, lamentation.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB7941MayapuraMarch191976_44" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="847" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.41 -- Mayapura, March 19, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.41 -- Mayapura, March 19, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.41 -- Mayapura, March 19, 1976|Lecture on SB 7.9.41 -- Mayapura, March 19, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So this is not God's creation. We should know that it is my creation. Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja said, evaṁ sva-karma-patitam. Just like a man is condemned to death. In the court the judge gives the judgment that "This murderer should be hanged." So it is not the judge that he is giving order to the murderer to be hanged. It is the murderer who has created his situation, to be hanged. This is to be understood. Not that the judge is partial, he's giving order to somebody that he must get decree for two millions of dollars, "He must have it," and another man is condemned to death.</p>
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<div id="LectureonSB7952VrndavanaApril71976_45" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="857" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.52 -- Vrndavana, April 7, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.52 -- Vrndavana, April 7, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.52 -- Vrndavana, April 7, 1976|Lecture on SB 7.9.52 -- Vrndavana, April 7, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">This is, means, māṁsa. You cannot escape this. "Life for life." That is the law everywhere. If you have murdered somebody, you must be killed also. So you can escape the so-called state laws, but you cannot escape the laws of the material nature.</p>
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<div id="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Lectures" text="Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Lectures"><h3>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonCCAdilila7107109SanFranciscoFebruary151967_0" class="quote" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" book="Lec" index="34" link="Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.107-109 -- San Francisco, February 15, 1967" link_text="Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.107-109 -- San Francisco, February 15, 1967">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.107-109 -- San Francisco, February 15, 1967|Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.107-109 -- San Francisco, February 15, 1967]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Such rascal will never be able to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore he says, haya sarva nāśa. He is being murdered, you see, because he never will come. He'll always think, "I am God." Just like... Who was speaking? Yes, yes, Nikhilananda. He has discussed in that Vivekananda's speech that man is God. But somebody asks, "Why he has become dog?" "Oh," he says, "I do not know." So God says, "I do not know." He's such a God. And that is clearly written. Have you got that book? God, God, God... The followers of Śaṅkarācārya say that "I am God. There is no other God.</p>
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<div id="LectureonCCMadhyalila20102BaltimoreJuly71976_1" class="quote" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" book="Lec" index="56" link="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.102 -- Baltimore, July 7, 1976" link_text="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.102 -- Baltimore, July 7, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.102 -- Baltimore, July 7, 1976|Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.102 -- Baltimore, July 7, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So if you kill, you become a murderer and you'll be taken into the court and you'll be punished, and if you say, "This man was disturbing me; therefore I have killed him," that is no excuse. You have killed this man; you must suffer. This is ordinarily we find in our general living condition. So in the state of the Supreme Lord, you cannot kill even a mosquito or even a fly. You'll be punished. Because God says that "Everyone is My child." Just the same example. Suppose I have got so many brothers. One brother is a fool, so he creates me some disturbances. I kill him. So will the father be happy? If you say, "Father, your this child was disturbing me.</p>
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<div id="LectureonCCMadhyalila20118119NewYorkNovember231966_2" class="quote" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" book="Lec" index="69" link="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.118-119 -- New York, November 23, 1966" link_text="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.118-119 -- New York, November 23, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.118-119 -- New York, November 23, 1966|Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.118-119 -- New York, November 23, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">You have taken service from Rādhārāṇī? Ohhh. You have murdered me. We don't want to take any service from Kṛṣṇa, and He has taken the opportunity, sent us... We want to simply give our service, not any exchange. Oh, you have done a great mistake. Rādhārāṇī has taken this opportunity." So he began to cry that "We have taken service from Kṛṣṇa. We have given Her trouble." This is pure devotee. They were very sorry that "Kṛṣṇa was troubled to send me all these goods."</p>
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<div id="LectureonCCMadhyalila20125NewYorkNovember271966_3" class="quote" parent="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta_Lectures" book="Lec" index="74" link="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.125 -- New York, November 27, 1966" link_text="Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.125 -- New York, November 27, 1966">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.125 -- New York, November 27, 1966|Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.125 -- New York, November 27, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Example. Example is, just like this State, the State has law that if you commit murder, then you will be hanged. It is immoral. If you commit theft, then you will be punished. But when the State says that you go and become a spy and become a thief and bring out these documents on the enemy's camp, that is morality. If you kill a man, you will be hanged. But when the State order, if you kill an enemy, hundreds of enemy, you will be awarded gold medal. So if you stick to the principle, theft and murder, and do not follow the State order, you will be considered, what is called, tyrant, or what is that? Traitor. Traitor.</p>
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<div id="Sri_Isopanisad_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Lectures" text="Sri Isopanisad Lectures"><h3>Sri Isopanisad Lectures</h3>
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<div id="SriIsopanisadInvocationLectureExcerptLosAngelesApril271970_0" class="quote" parent="Sri_Isopanisad_Lectures" book="Lec" index="1" link="Sri Isopanisad Invocation Lecture Excerpt -- Los Angeles, April 27, 1970" link_text="Sri Isopanisad Invocation Lecture Excerpt -- Los Angeles, April 27, 1970">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Sri Isopanisad Invocation Lecture Excerpt -- Los Angeles, April 27, 1970|Sri Isopanisad Invocation Lecture Excerpt -- Los Angeles, April 27, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">ust like sometimes some foolish persons, they say, "Why God has made somebody poor and somebody rich?" This is most foolish question. Yes. If God has done it, then it is complete. There is no flaw. Just like if the state orders somebody to be murdered, to be killed, that is complete. You cannot find out any law, er, any flaw. That is complete execution of the law. So if we cannot find out in man-made laws, how we can find out a fault in God-made laws? That is not possible.</p>
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<div id="Festival_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Lectures" text="Festival Lectures"><h3>Festival Lectures</h3>
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<div id="SixGosvamisLectureSriSriSadgovamyastakaLosAngelesNovember181968_0" class="quote" parent="Festival_Lectures" book="Lec" index="52" link="Six Gosvamis Lecture, Sri Sri Sad-govamy-astaka -- Los Angeles, November 18, 1968" link_text="Six Gosvamis Lecture, Sri Sri Sad-govamy-astaka -- Los Angeles, November 18, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Six Gosvamis Lecture, Sri Sri Sad-govamy-astaka -- Los Angeles, November 18, 1968|Six Gosvamis Lecture, Sri Sri Sad-govamy-astaka -- Los Angeles, November 18, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like if there is a murder case and there is a conspiracy, so it is not the man who has directly killed some person, he is arrested, but everyone who is in the conspiracy, they are all arrested. That is the common law. So in that sense everyone is butcher. Besides that, because a person is killing some cow or some animal, we are calling butcher, but mostly they are killing their soul. Anyone who is unconscious, who is ignorant of his spiritual identity, identifying himself with this body and misusing this opportunity of human form of life simply for animal sense gratification, they are also butchers.</p>
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<div id="General_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Lectures" text="General Lectures"><h3>General Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureSeattleOctober41968_0" class="quote" parent="General_Lectures" book="Lec" index="21" link="Lecture -- Seattle, October 4, 1968" link_text="Lecture -- Seattle, October 4, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture -- Seattle, October 4, 1968|Lecture -- Seattle, October 4, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Just like sometimes we want to see a very pathetic scene in some drama, some ghastly scene. Somebody is murdering somebody and we take pleasure in seeing that. There are certain kinds of person... There are different kinds of sporting. One of our student in Montreal, he was saying that his father took pleasure in bull fighting in Spain. When the bull is killed by fighting, he was taking pleasure.</p>
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<div id="LectureMontrealOctober261968_1" class="quote" parent="General_Lectures" book="Lec" index="27" link="Lecture -- Montreal, October 26, 1968" link_text="Lecture -- Montreal, October 26, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture -- Montreal, October 26, 1968|Lecture -- Montreal, October 26, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">If you commit murder, then you'll be hanged." These things are taught some way or other. Either in religious scripture or by lawbooks or by morality or ethical principle, they are taught to the human, civilized human society. And he sees also practically that "This man has committed this kind of criminality, and he is punished." And again why does he commit? That is the problem. So kāma eṣa krodha eṣa rajo-guṇa-samudbhavaḥ. Kāma and krodha. Kāma means desire, lust. Kāma.</p>
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<div id="LectureDayafterLordRamasAppearanceDayLosAngelesApril161970_2" class="quote" parent="General_Lectures" book="Lec" index="68" link="Lecture (Day after Lord Rama's Appearance Day) -- Los Angeles, April 16, 1970" link_text="Lecture (Day after Lord Rama's Appearance Day) -- Los Angeles, April 16, 1970">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture (Day after Lord Rama's Appearance Day) -- Los Angeles, April 16, 1970|Lecture (Day after Lord Rama's Appearance Day) -- Los Angeles, April 16, 1970]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Similarly... This is called adhyātmika. Then adhibhautika-misery inflicted by others, other living entities, some of your enemies. Just like somebody murders somebody. This is misery inflicted by other living entity. The mosquito bite, the bug bite, or the tiger attacks you. So many living entities there are, they're always busy to inflict misery. This is called adhibhautika. And there is another misery, which is called adhidaivika, nature's disturbance. All of a sudden there is earthquake, there is famine, there is pestilence.</p>
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<div id="LectureLosAngelesJuly201971_3" class="quote" parent="General_Lectures" book="Lec" index="92" link="Lecture -- Los Angeles, July 20, 1971" link_text="Lecture -- Los Angeles, July 20, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture -- Los Angeles, July 20, 1971|Lecture -- Los Angeles, July 20, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Similarly, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to bring all crazy men to his original consciousness. Anyone who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is to be understood—more or less crazy. There was a case in India, a murder case, and the murderer pleaded that he became mad. He was mad; therefore he, he did not know what did he do. So in order to test him, whether actually he, at that time, was lunatic or turned mad, the expert civil servant, psychiatrist, was brought to examine him.</p>
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<div id="PandalLectureDelhiNovember121971_4" class="quote" parent="General_Lectures" book="Lec" index="95" link="Pandal Lecture -- Delhi, November 12, 1971" link_text="Pandal Lecture -- Delhi, November 12, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Pandal Lecture -- Delhi, November 12, 1971|Pandal Lecture -- Delhi, November 12, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">What is the news in the newspaper? The same thing. Somebody has murdered something, there is some car accident, one body has done this. The same thing repeatedly we are hearing. There is no other news. But we want to hear the same thing daily, the same newspaper items. Therefore, in the śāstra it is said, punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām ([[Vanisource:SB 7.5.30|SB 7.5.30]]). Just like you chew something. Generally we chew that sugarcane. Now I have chewed it, I have taken out all the juice, and then I have thrown it away. If somebody comes, "Oh, let me taste it, what is there?" And another man comes. Is that very good intelligence? We have tasted this material world.</p>
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<div id="Philosophy_Discussions" class="sub_section" sec_index="13" parent="Lectures" text="Philosophy Discussions"><h3>Philosophy Discussions</h3>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononHegel_0" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="4" link="Philosophy Discussion on Hegel" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Hegel">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Hegel|Philosophy Discussion on Hegel]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes, therefore when one is killing an animal, he should be prepared for being killed. That will be justice. That is Manu's... Manu-saṁhitā says that when a man, murderer is hanged, that is complete justice, complete justice. That is to save him, because without being hanged in this life, he if he escapes justice, then he will have to suffer next life very severely. So to save him from so many troubles in the next life, if he is killed, I mean to say, hanged, in this life, then he is saved.</p>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononLudwigWittgenstein_1" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="14" link="Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein|Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: Ultimately there is nothing to measure, when the body dies, to determine where that soul went.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That you can measure by knowledge. Just like Bhagavad-gītā has said, ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā ([[Vanisource:BG 14.18 (1972)|BG 14.18]]). Just like a man has committed murder, killed somebody. He is arrested, he is taken away from your sight, but you can know that he has committed murder, he will be hanged. That's all. You do not require to go there and see that he is hanged. It doesn't require. That is foolishness. If somebody says that "I did not see that the man was arrested," that's all right, but "I did not see that he was hanged. I cannot believe it," no. You believe or not believe, it is a fact.</p>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononLudwigWittgenstein_2" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="14" link="Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein|Philosophy Discussion on Ludwig Wittgenstein]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: Either directly or indirectly he says that we have to be able to prove...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. The same example, just like a man has committed murder and he is arrested and taken away. So others, they know that this man will be hanged. And one was, "Oh, I have not seen, so how he is hanged?" But that is foolishness. The state law says that if a man has committed murder he will be hanged. So you have to see through the law, not with your eyes. The nonsense eyes, what can they see? So see through knowledge, through books.</p>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononSigmundFreud_3" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="17" link="Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud|Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: But that is not the fact. He analyzed some sane people also. But one psychiatrist's opinion is that (indistinct) was a civil servant, he was called to give evidence in a case where the criminal was pleading (indistinct) became insane while he committed the murder. So the civil servant was called to test him, whether actually he was insane or (indistinct) insanity. So he gave evidence that "I have tested so many persons, so I have seen that more or less everyone is insane. More or less. They are bewildered. So in that case, if insanity is the only plea that he should be excused, he can be excused. But so far as I know, everyone is more or less insane." And that is our conclusion.</p>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononSigmundFreud_4" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="17" link="Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud|Philosophy Discussion on Sigmund Freud]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Then all murderers should be sent to medical college to become surgeons instead of condemning them. Why not?</p>
<p>Devotee: Or put them in the army.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Devotee: They do not like that now. They recruit for the army from the prison.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): (indistinct)</p>
<p>Devotee: But we have the higher...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: To some extent that is all right, because therefore the kṣatriya race is there, the fighting spirit.</p>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononThomasHenryHuxley_5" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="46" link="Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Henry Huxley" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Henry Huxley">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Henry Huxley|Philosophy Discussion on Thomas Henry Huxley]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Just that a soldier, he is killing, his business is killing, and the more he kills he gets recognition. But as soon as he kills one man on his own account, he is murderer. Just like when... The soldier's business is to kill, and so long he is killing for the satisfaction of his state, of the government, he is getting recognition medals. The same soldier, as soon as he kills one man for his own sense satisfaction, he is a murderer, he is to be hanged. This is the karma-bandhanaḥ. The business the same—killing. But one killing is on the order of the state and one killing is for his sense gratification.</p>
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1970_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1970 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1970 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationNovember71970Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1970_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Room Conversation -- November 7, 1970, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- November 7, 1970, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- November 7, 1970, Bombay|Room Conversation -- November 7, 1970, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: If people come to us, in melodious songs they sing and they dance and when they are tired they take sumptuously prasādam, so what can be the more convenient way? (Hindi) You are a qualified lawyer, but you cannot do for want of money. (Hindi) He has no right because he does not know what is name. Nāma-cintāmaṇi-kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ. (Hindi) Yes. Because you are responsible, if you cut throat of a goat, then you'll be responsible. Just like in your jurist(?) law, if you commit murder—you are lawyer—you have to be hanged. So, (Hindi) "...life for life." So I am killing one life. I shall not be liable to repay by my life.</p>
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<div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="DiscussionwithIndiansJanuary181971Allahabad_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="3" link="Discussion with Indians -- January 18, 1971, Allahabad" link_text="Discussion with Indians -- January 18, 1971, Allahabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Discussion with Indians -- January 18, 1971, Allahabad|Discussion with Indians -- January 18, 1971, Allahabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (3): You mean if a person commits a murder, a sinner...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is very high stage. That is very high stage, sama-darśinaḥ.</p>
<p>Guest (3): No, no. If a person commits a murder, you are seeing...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So why you see, you are seeing, "Commits murder?" Why don't you see that it is Kṛṣṇa is acting there? Why you say that "commits murder?"</p>
<p>Guest (2): Kṛṣṇa is getting the sin committed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sama-darśinaḥ means you have no distinction what is sin and what is...</p>
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<div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="TalkwithBobCohenFebruary27291972Mayapura_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura" link_text="Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura|Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Cheating is mixed up passion and ignorance. Just like one man cheats other. That means he wants to obtain something. He's passionate. But he commits some murder. He does not know that "I'll have to suffer for it." So it is a mixture of passion and ignorance.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJune291972SanDiego_1" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="26" link="Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego|Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: And if the murderer thinks that You are very conservative. I wanted to kill you and you did not allow. That is not conservative. That is self-preservation, that is not conservative. Conservative means unnecessarily you catch some rules and regulation without any meaning or without any utility. That is conservative. In Sanskrit it is called niyamāgraha.</p>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril251973LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="14" link="Morning Walk -- April 25, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 25, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 25, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- April 25, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Brahmānanda: Anyone who does that is either criminal or insane.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, insane. All criminality is done when one is insane. That is the definition of the Vedas. Everyone is criminal when he's insane. Sane man never commits any criminality. Just like when a, when a man commits murder, unless he becomes insane, he cannot commit murder.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril261973LosAngeles_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="15" link="Morning Walk -- April 26, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 26, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 26, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- April 26, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The animals, they do not question. They submit. Just like when you slay one animal, it submits. But a human being, there is law because human being is intelligent. So you cannot kill any other human being, you cannot murder. Then you'll be hanged. But they cannot make law. They're lower grade animals. They submit, somebody killing. But the objection is there, both by the human beings and the animals, that the: "Why you are killing me?" But he's helpless. The man has invented some means. So they have made their laws. But both of them are objecting. In your, in America somewhere, when I first came, there was some incidence that in a live store, they got some opportunity to flee away. Then all the cows were fleeing away.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay11973LosAngeles_2" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="20" link="Morning Walk -- May 1, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 1, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 1, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- May 1, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So we create problems. Otherwise God has supplied us enough. You can use it; as much as you like you can use what you have... They are creating trouble and the scientists giving them, "Yes, I am giving you this chemical composition. You drop on the enemies' camp." This is scientific research, to impel the rascals. (laughter) The rascals, rogues, they are trying to usurp other's property, and the scientists helping them. That's all. If you help one murderer, if you help one thief, then you also become criminal. Is it not? So they are helping one another, all these thieves and rogues.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithFatherTannerandotherguestsJuly111973London_3" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="42" link="Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: These are the basic principle of sinful life. Other sinful activities come out of it. Just like illicit sex life. Illicit relationship of a man and woman, there may be many dangerous things. You see? So the basic principle is the illicit sex life. Now, it can go up to murdering and so many things. So if we avoid the basic principles, the further subsidiary sinful activities automatically stopped.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithLordBrockwayJuly231973London_4" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="50" link="Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: We are spirit soul, we are eternal. So our, this constant change of body, birth and death, that is also punishment. Because nobody wants to die. Because he is eternal. How he'll like to die? He wants to keep his eternal position, but he, because he's criminal... Just like one man is condemned to die, murderer. So he has to die. But he wants to protect himself, placing himself in the court, "How to save? How to save?" So that is our natural tendency, that we do not want to die. Why? Because we are eternal.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithReporterfromResearchersMagazineJuly241973London_5" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="51" link="Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Similarly hiṁsā, it is used for... Just like in Manu-saṁhitā it is said that the murderer should be hanged. So this is also hiṁsā, to get him a man hanged. But Manu-saṁhitā says that this kind of hiṁsā is necessary. Because the man who's committed murder, if he's hanged, then in this life all his sinful activities finished. Otherwise, in his next life he has to suffer so many things. So it is the duty of the king to take his life so that he may be relieved from other sinful reaction. So according to śāstra, hiṁsā..., ahiṁsā is good, but when there is necessity, hiṁsā is also good.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithReporterfromResearchersMagazineJuly241973London_6" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="51" link="Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Reporter from Researchers Magazine -- July 24, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The same example as I gave, gave you. That when the king condemns a murderer to death, it is not hiṁsā. It is doing good to him.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember91973LosAngeles_7" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="94" link="Morning Walk -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prajāpati: Actually, it's very good for them to be killed by a devotee.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like a murderer is to be killed. Then his sins out of this murdering will be counteracted. If he lives, then he has to suffer so many tribulations. Better let him be killed. Then everything's finished. Life for life. And if there are good leaders, then they will see that the cheating scientists, they're spoiling state money. They'll be stopped in their nefarious activities.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithLatinProfessorDecember91973LosAngeles_8" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="95" link="Room Conversation with Latin Professor -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Room Conversation with Latin Professor -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Latin Professor -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles|Room Conversation with Latin Professor -- December 9, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So similarly, when one is God conscious, if he kills animal, that means he has no sense of God consciousness. He has no sense of God. That is the test. So our propaganda is that you make people God conscious. Then all good qualities will come. Instead of trying to qualify man in so many ways—"You don't become thief, you don't become murderer, you don't become this, don't become this, don't become intoxicant"—simply by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, he becomes everything, by one stroke. That is our propaganda, that if one becomes God conscious, then he is becoming perfect, not necessarily, materially and spiritually, both.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember151973LosAngeles_9" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="101" link="Morning Walk -- December 15, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 15, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 15, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 15, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Karandhara: Yes. Or it's like a criminal. If he commits a crime, it's nice that he laments, but he can't just lament. He has to start working positively.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, he must go to the state and offer, "Please kill me." Then state may consider. "I have committed this murder, so the law is: I must give my life. So I am prepared." Then immediately he will be excused. Yes.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember161973LosAngeles_10" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="102" link="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is just like the concept that if God is all-merciful, why He is so impartial, somebody making happy, somebody making suffering?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is mercifulness. Just like when doctor says, "You don't take anything today. You fast," that is mercy. That is mercy. It is good for him. By starving, he will be cured. That is mercy. And according to Manu-saṁhitā, when a man is hanged, that is mercy. If he is hanged... He has committed murder. He should be hanged so all his sinful reaction finished. Otherwise next birth, he has to suffer. He has to be killed by somebody else.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember161973LosAngeles_11" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="102" link="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Karandhara: Well, why? If we are attacked, then we must deserve it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it may be that somebody is attacking even you do not deserve. So therefore you have got intelligence. You have got hands. You must try to protect. Just like one man is destined to be hanged, but still, he appoints a lawyer and tries to save him. He knows that "I have committed murder, I must be hanged."</p>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkJanuary121974LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="8" link="Morning Walk -- January 12, 1974, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- January 12, 1974, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 12, 1974, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- January 12, 1974, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prajāpati: But like you were mentioning this morning in class, how they are cheaters. They simply say they are lawyers, but instead they are breaking the law.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Nowadays, big lawyer means who can tactfully break the law. That is good lawyer. They will find out some flaw in the law and win the case. A man has committed murder, everyone knows, and if a lawyer can save him, then he is a good lawyer. How to nullify the law, he is a good lawyer.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMarch291974Bombay_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="48" link="Morning Walk -- March 29, 1974, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- March 29, 1974, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 29, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- March 29, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: He... That example I'm giving, that the law is that the murderer should be hanged. If you fight, "I don't care for this law, because you are hanging one person," that will be contempt of court. You may not like, but the law is there. You cannot condemn the law. That is my point. That is my point.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril221974Hyderabad_2" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="70" link="Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad|Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Satsvarūpa: The main thing they usually say is that kill means murder. That man at Bhaktivedanta Manor, that priest, he said the original Hebrew, the word means "murder." So this is an instruction to mankind not to murder, but it is not... But they have other places in the scripture where they point out that the animal is allowed for man to eat. So they just were showing us their scriptures.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is said, "It is murder."</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: Yes, that "Thou shalt not murder." That it has been changed to "kill."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Originally it was murder?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril221974Hyderabad_3" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="70" link="Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad|Morning Walk -- April 22, 1974, Hyderabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The question is the Old Testament, you say that there was the word "murder." Why you have changed? You accept Old Testament or reject?</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: Accept the statement should be "murder."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But why it is "kill"?</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Wrong translation.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Wrong translation.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune61974Geneva_4" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="101" link="Morning Walk -- June 6, 1974, Geneva" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 6, 1974, Geneva">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 6, 1974, Geneva|Morning Walk -- June 6, 1974, Geneva]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You make your choice, you work according to that, and government sends you either to the prison or to the university. You cannot say... One man is condemned to be killed for murdering, another man is rewarded some prize, you cannot say government is partial. You have made your choice, and government is giving you the result. (pause) Once you make your choice to steal, then you are under prison house. Immediately.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithPaterEmmanuelABenedictineMonkJune221974Germany_5" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="128" link="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany" link_text="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany|Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Why they understand like that? That means that Lord Christ was not sufficiently educated to use the right word, "murder"? Does it mean so? There are two words, killing and murder. Murder is especially meant for the human being. So do you think that Christ was not learned enough to use the word murder instead of "killing"? "Killing" means any kind of killing, especially animal killing. Otherwise you should have frankly openly used the word, "Thou shall not murder." Even if it is meant like that, so does it mean that he was preaching amongst the murderers? They are very first-class men? They are all murderers? Therefore the injunction. This kind of interpretation does not appeal to us.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithPaterEmmanuelABenedictineMonkJune221974Germany_6" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="128" link="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany" link_text="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany|Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: It can absorb urine, but you cannot drink urine. (German) So the injunction is tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya ([[Vanisource:SB 10.33.29|SB 10.33.29]]). One who is very powerful... Just like a king. He orders, "Kill this man. Murder." He commits murder regularly, chopped up. But he is not under the law, being hanged, because he is very powerful. But an ordinary man, if he commits murder, he will be hanged. When there is fight the commander in chief says, "You kill them," and the soldier kills and he gets gold medal. But the same soldier, when he kills a single person at home, he is hanged. Therefore this injunction, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]), "This vegetables give Me. I shall eat, and you take the prasādam." So we are not sinful.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly91974LosAngeles_7" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="138" link="Morning Walk -- July 9, 1974, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 9, 1974, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 9, 1974, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- July 9, 1974, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Now if they say that the killing means murdering, that means the people amongst whom Christ was preaching, they were accustomed to kill men. So what class of men they were? What was the society? A society of murderers. So what they will understand about religion, a murderer? (pause) So go further or return?</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: We should probably turn around now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (pause) If you're preaching honesty to a thief, you have to be careful that he's not stealing your watch in the meantime.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: If you're preaching honesty to a thief, he may steal your watch. So Jesus was trying to teach religion to murderers, so they murdered him.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopāya na śāntaye. (aside:) Don't come very near. If you advise rascals, they'll be angry. No good result. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopāya na śāntaye, payaḥ-pānaṁ bhujaṅgānāṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam. So we have to become very strong preacher. Then this movement will stay. If you simply take the temple worship, it will not stay very long.</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithYogaStudentMarch141975Iran_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="31" link="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran" link_text="Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran|Room Conversation with Yoga Student -- March 14, 1975, Iran]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Young man: If the laws of nature are the laws of God, then how is it that sometimes they're even crueler than the actions..., they are more violent than the actions which ordinary men do, than that of a tyrant or a murderer?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Rules, God rules, are perfect, and it is being perfectly done. Sometimes we misunderstand.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithCarolCameronMay91975Perth_2" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="64" link="Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth|Room Conversation with Carol Cameron -- May 9, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Paramahaṁsa: People..., I've talked to professors who know the original Hebrew and the original tongues that the Bible was written in. They say that is has changed so much that you can hardly...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, they are changing. Just like he said, "Thou shall not kill." They are now changing, "Thow shall not commit murder." They are doing that.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay111975Perth_3" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="66" link="Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 11, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The other day I was there in Kurukṣetra. They have got their own plan-mānava-dharma, this dharma, that dharma. Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya: ([[Vanisource:BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]) "You give up all these. Kick out all this so-called rascaldom. You just surrender unto Me." That they will not do. Except this, everything which is going on in the name of religion, that is cheating. Everyone is misinterpret... Just like Christians, they have misinterpreted: "Kill means murder. It is meant for man." That means they are making their own lusty desires fulfilled in the name of Bible, that's all. Everyone is doing like that. They are changing. Mass opinion is now homosex. They are passing abortion. They are passing... What is this? This is their business. For fulfillment of their lusty desires and greediness, they are bringing the authority of Bible, Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on in the name of religion.</p>
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<div id="RoomCoversationwithPsychiatristandIndianBoyMay121975Perth_4" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="68" link="Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth|Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is... In India there was a case. A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that... His pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the civil surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The civil surgeon said that "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion everyone is mad.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay151975Perth_5" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="74" link="Morning Walk -- May 15, 1975, Perth" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 15, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 15, 1975, Perth|Morning Walk -- May 15, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Paramahaṁsa: But see, they can't cause any trouble in the jail. That is the advantage. Therefore everyone is comfortable because they see that the murderers are locked up and they can't do any harm. Therefore everyone is feeling safe. And in a hospital people, similarly, they have some disease. They can't... Like in India, the beggars on the street, they should all be in hospitals, whereas in the foreign countries all those type of people are all in hospitals, taken care of.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithTwoLawyersandGuestMay221975Melbourne_6" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="88" link="Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne" link_text="Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest 3: It's the indirect way because God wants people to be happy. Now, if you can help people, if you can help people as people, surely that means that you must be pleasing God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, first of all... Suppose you are a lawyer, and some man has committed murder, and he wants your help. And suppose by your legal tricks you save him. So that will not please God.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkMay231975Melbourne_7" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="90" link="Morning Walk -- May 23, 1975, Melbourne" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 23, 1975, Melbourne">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 23, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 23, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: But if they're committing so many sinful activities, murdering their father and like this, then how will they get to that stage of being able to approach Kṛṣṇa consciousness?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it will be checked. It will be checked. Just like if there is some worm in the bud, then the growing will be checked.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrJohnMizeJune231975LosAngeles_8" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="108" link="Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize -- June 23, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize -- June 23, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize -- June 23, 1975, Los Angeles|Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize -- June 23, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That's all right. Vegetable has also life but we are not killing. When you pluck out the flower, the tree is not killed. When you take a fruit, the tree is not killed. When you take grains, automatically they die. Then you take the grains. There is no question of killing. But even it is killing, it is not as murderous as killing a cow. Why the state hangs a man when he kills a man? The man can plead that "So many animals are being killed every day. If I kill one man, what is the wrong there?" The punishment is that "You have killed one important animal."</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune261975LosAngeles_9" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="113" link="Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Jayatīrtha: Yes. In Detroit every year one out of every five hundred people is murdered.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: White man?</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: White men and black men. Usually black men are murdering.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the reason? The same feeling as in India, Hindu Muslim. But it is not so strong.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly51975Chicago_10" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="126" link="Morning Walk -- July 5, 1975, Chicago" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 5, 1975, Chicago">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 5, 1975, Chicago|Morning Walk -- July 5, 1975, Chicago]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Brahmānanda: In Time magazine they say that by the time the child is fifteen years old he will have seen eleven thousand murders on television.</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: In Detroit one out of every thousand people gets murdered every year.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: In Detroit—that's the biggest crime city in America—one out of every thousand people gets murdered every year. If you live there for fifty years, you have one chance in twenty of being murdered. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Prosperous. The business is slaughterhouse. All butchers.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithLtMozeePolicemanJuly51975Chicago_11" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="127" link="Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago" link_text="Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago|Room Conversation with Lt. Mozee, Policeman -- July 5, 1975, Chicago]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So this process will cleanse the heart. Unless he cleans the heart, you cannot stop criminality simply by laws. Laws are already known. The professional thief, he knows the law. The professional murderer, he knows the law. But still, he commits because heart is unclean. And our process, to cleanse the heart. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]), it is Sanskrit, "Cleansing the heart." Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam, "Then all the troubles of this material world will be solved."</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJuly101975Chicago_12" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="137" link="Morning Walk -- July 10, 1975, Chicago" link_text="Morning Walk -- July 10, 1975, Chicago">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- July 10, 1975, Chicago|Morning Walk -- July 10, 1975, Chicago]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Ordinary education is sufficient, ABCD. This is all nonsense, so big, big, sound education and later on become a prostitute. What is this education? (laughter) To make them prostitute, it doesn't require education. (break) Yesterday we saw in the television how these rascals are wasting time, talking nonsense. There was nothing, valuable talk. Foot... No, no, hand... What is that? Handprint? And the addicted murder? That was the case? (break) Within two weeks, two divorces.</p>
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<div id="CarridefromDurbantoJohannesburgOctober131975Durban_13" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="213" link="Car ride from Durban to Johannesburg -- October 13, 1975, Durban" link_text="Car ride from Durban to Johannesburg -- October 13, 1975, Durban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Car ride from Durban to Johannesburg -- October 13, 1975, Durban|Car ride from Durban to Johannesburg -- October 13, 1975, Durban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: She is married with children. She is older. Her husband was murdered.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ācchā?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes, in Johannesburg. We didn't pick any young African girl, older lady and very respectful, honest. She's about fifty years old.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is all right.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember171975Bombay_14" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="263" link="Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 17, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Dr. Patel: The country is already murdered. What are you talking of murder now?</p>
<p>Man: I don't want to talk of these things. (Hindi)</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They have gone mad now, sir. Actually they have ransacked the morality of this land, and they are going to ransack the social conditions. (Hindi) I have got one rifle, one revolver and one pistol. I am keeping always with me now. (Hindi) These people, sir, have really ruined this, this batch of rulers.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is everywhere.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember231975Bombay_15" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="267" link="Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Kīrtanānanda: Of course, Śrīla Prabhupāda, does one have to give protection to their devotee if they break the law? Just like if you have a child, and he murders someone, isn't he supposed to be punished? So if someone goes against the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even if you are a devotee, shouldn't Śiva concur?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. That is another thing. This proposal, that because Lord Rāmacandra approached Lord Śiva to kill Rāvaṇa, and he gave permission, although Rāvaṇa was his great devotee. Then what is the use of becoming devotee of Lord Śiva? He gives permission. Huh? Is that very reasonable proposal? If I ask your permission that I shall kill your son, will you give permission? No. Then? So Lord Śiva gives permission to Lord Rāmacandra, "Yes, You can kill Rāvaṇa," then what is the use of becoming his devotee?</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember231975Bombay_16" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="267" link="Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Kīrtanānanda: We've seen the example used, Prabhupāda, that just like a man, if he goes to sleep at night and he dreams that he has committed some murder or some...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So why does he dream?</p>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkJanuary81976Nellore_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="7" link="Morning Walk -- January 8, 1976, Nellore" link_text="Morning Walk -- January 8, 1976, Nellore">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 8, 1976, Nellore|Morning Walk -- January 8, 1976, Nellore]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Acyutānanda: They have rewritten the Bible, "Thou shalt not murder."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) ...can be used as paper weight. (laughter) (break) ...use anything for Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary81976Nellore_1" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="8" link="Room Conversation -- January 8, 1976, Nellore" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 8, 1976, Nellore">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 8, 1976, Nellore|Room Conversation -- January 8, 1976, Nellore]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That they are doing. Still they are doing. Just like you said, some sprinkling water. They have no philosophy and they violate everything, what is stated there in Bible. Now you say that "Thou shall not kill;" they say, "Thou shall not murder." They are molding. Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. They are sanctioning abortion.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune51976LosAngeles_2" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="113" link="Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rāmeśvara: And they thought that "If I pull out the electrical plug on this machine, then it will be murder." She was already dead, and the doctors fixed this machine to keep her heart.... Now they were afraid of pull out the plug.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not dead. Not dead. Dead cannot be continued by electricity. That is not possible.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJune181976Toronto_3" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="150" link="Room Conversation -- June 18, 1976, Toronto" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 18, 1976, Toronto">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 18, 1976, Toronto|Room Conversation -- June 18, 1976, Toronto]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: She murdered him?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Killed means given poison. And the father, that is, my Godbrother, seeing this, he also took poison. This is the end of Gauḍīya Maṭha scandal. He was also one of the trustees. This Tīrtha Mahārāja was a trustee, and another Godbrother and this man. In the beginning, they were made trustees. In the beginning, Prabhupāda was to undergo surgical operation. So he was a little nervous, that "I may die." So he made a scrap paper, that "In case I die, these three disciples will be trustees of the Gauḍīya Maṭha Institute." That's all. So this Kuñja Bābu kept this. There are many long histories. So one of the so-called trustees was this Vāsudeva. So he died, his end was like this.</p>
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<div id="InterviewwithNewsweekJuly141976NewYork_4" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="211" link="Interview with Newsweek -- July 14, 1976, New York" link_text="Interview with Newsweek -- July 14, 1976, New York">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview with Newsweek -- July 14, 1976, New York|Interview with Newsweek -- July 14, 1976, New York]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That you have to consult śāstra. There is direction. It is... Practically it is the same. Just like Manu-saṁhitā, it says that if one is a murderer then he should be killed. Life for life. He should be hanged. That is the old system. The king used to kill a murderer. So that is almost the same punishment.</p>
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<div id="ConversationwithGeorgeHarrisonJuly261976London_5" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="229" link="Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London" link_text="Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London|Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Jayatīrtha: Valmiki was a murderer, or a dacoit, thief. So he was met by Nārada Muni, I think.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, Valmiki.</p>
<p>Jayatīrtha: And he was advised by Nārada Muni to please chant the holy name of the Lord and give up this thievery. So he wouldn't. So instead Nārada Muni said, "You chant mara." Mara means death. So he agreed.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Maramara, rāma.</p>
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<div id="EveningDarsanAugust101976Tehran_6" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="253" link="Evening Darsan -- August 10, 1976, Tehran" link_text="Evening Darsan -- August 10, 1976, Tehran">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Evening Darsan -- August 10, 1976, Tehran|Evening Darsan -- August 10, 1976, Tehran]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Eh? You cannot, if you have own design, don't touch Bhagavad-gītā. You make your own design and preach otherwise. Why you take advantage of the Bhagavad-gītā? This is criminal. If you have got a different philosophy, you preach. Everyone has got the right. But why you misinterpret Bhagavad-gītā? When you take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā and you speak nonsense, that is not good. That has murdered the whole thing. And practically we see that. Bhagavad-gītā as it is, you try to understand, you get the benefit and you life is successful.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationSeptember61976Vrndavana_7" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="299" link="Room Conversation -- September 6, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 6, 1976, Vrndavana">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 6, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- September 6, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Akṣayānanda: So one question I wanted to ask you in this connection, is that this Vinobha, fasting until death, until cow slaughter is stopped. So if he dies then he is guilty of murder. Is it correct. And if he's a brāhmaṇa, he is guilty of brahma-hatya. So by this fasting he is committing a greater sin than the actual killing of the cows.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You are right.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationonFarmManagementDecember101976Hyderabad_8" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="345" link="Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad" link_text="Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad|Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Not nice, it is not eatable even by the dogs. But you are less than the dogs if you (prepare) such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasādam, not dog's food. Such rascals as here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. Now if possible, bring them, bring them first class prasādam, very palatable. Foodstuff means even one has no appetite he'll eat. That is food. Not that even one has got appetite, he'll forget.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember251976Bombay_9" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="351" link="Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (1): I think he listened to your advice because before he was murdered, on that day...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. "Otherwise you'll meet the fate of Mussolini."</p>
<p>Guest (2): And what was his reply?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He did not reply.</p>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="ConversationonTraintoAllahabadJanuary111977India_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="27" link="Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India" link_text="Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India|Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: If mental has nothing to do with physical, then why you employ psychologist to cure a madman from physical violence? You are so fool. Without mental pain, there is no physical pain. Without mental derangement, there is no physical disturbance. Who commits suicide? Who commits murder unless he's mentally deranged? You are very intelligent, that you want to make differentiation between physical and mental. There is differentiation. But cure physically.(?) Naturally they'll become sound.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary191977Bhuvanesvara_1" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="32" link="Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 19, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Gargamuni: When I was there, there were many doctors and lawyers, and I think all of them have been murdered. I think the only Hindus that are left are the poor people. But while I was there the teachers and the lawyers... The most prominent lawyer was Hindu. Doctors, all educated men.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Dead.</p>
<p>Gargamuni: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just see the policy.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary211977Bhuvanesvara_2" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="38" link="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: Detroit has the highest murder rate in the world, 'cause all the city population is black.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore we could purchase that palace which costs six million dollars fifty years ago. And we have got for three hundred thousand. Why? Nobody was purchasing. Who will go to purchase there? I took it. "Yes it is..." I offered him... He was asking 350,000. So I told him, "I'll pay you cash, all three hundred." He immediately agreed. (laughs) I should have offered him less. He would have agreed. Nobody was purchasing.</p>
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<div id="ConversationDuringMassageJanuary231977Bhuvanesvara_3" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="49" link="Conversation During Massage -- January 23, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Conversation During Massage -- January 23, 1977, Bhuvanesvara">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Conversation During Massage -- January 23, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Conversation During Massage -- January 23, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rāmeśvara: The government of Bangladesh was just murdered.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: They were all murdered.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is due to this American CIA. Therefore I...</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: Now they may again become lined up with Pakistan.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is politics. Once you become strong; once I become... That is struggle. It will go on. You cannot stop.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationFebruary41977Calcutta_4" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="79" link="Room Conversation -- February 4, 1977, Calcutta" link_text="Room Conversation -- February 4, 1977, Calcutta">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- February 4, 1977, Calcutta|Room Conversation -- February 4, 1977, Calcutta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Therefore there are hippies. This is your culture hippies and murderer in the name of religion. This is their culture. And abortion. Because there is no such culture, therefore the result is the abortion and killing and bombing, making the whole atmosphere abominable. This is your culture. Fighting between Protestant and Catholics, and bombing... People are terrified. They cannot go out in the street. This is your culture.</p>
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<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
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<div id="1968_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="3" parent="Correspondence" text="1968 Correspondence"><h3>1968 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoPopePaulVIMontreal3August1968_0" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="253" link="Letter to Pope Paul VI -- Montreal 3 August, 1968" link_text="Letter to Pope Paul VI -- Montreal 3 August, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Pope Paul VI -- Montreal 3 August, 1968|Letter to Pope Paul VI -- Montreal 3 August, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The human society cannot anymore be allowed to continue a Godless civilization at the risk of decreasing truthfulness, hygienic principles, forgiveness, and mercifulness. Because on account of predominance of these principles at the present moment, duration of life, strength, and memory of the human being is decreasing. The human society is gradually degrading in the matter of religiosity, and justice; and "might is right" is gradually taking the place of morality and justice. There is practically no more family life, and the union of man and woman is gradually degrading to the standard of sexuality. I understand it from reliable sources that people are trying to get Your Holiness' sanction for contraceptive method, which is certainly against any religion of the world. In the Hindu religion, such contraceptive method or abortion is considered equivalent to murder.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRayaramaLosAngeles19November1968_1" class="quote" parent="1968_Correspondence" book="Let" index="429" link="Letter to Rayarama -- Los Angeles 19 November, 1968" link_text="Letter to Rayarama -- Los Angeles 19 November, 1968">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rayarama -- Los Angeles 19 November, 1968|Letter to Rayarama -- Los Angeles 19 November, 1968]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone's sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians.</p>
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<div id="1969_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoSatsvarupaTittenhurstHouseEngland31October1969_0" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="644" link="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Tittenhurst House, England 31 October, 1969" link_text="Letter to Satsvarupa -- Tittenhurst House, England 31 October, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Satsvarupa -- Tittenhurst House, England 31 October, 1969|Letter to Satsvarupa -- Tittenhurst House, England 31 October, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The reason the church was dying he said was because it had become irrelevant. This means that the church people no more can convince the advanced, educated men of the present day. In another place he says in discussing the Ten Commandents of the Bible about the sanctity of (human life). Instead of exactly quoting the commandment "Thou shalt not kill," he replaces by his own words "Thou shalt do no murder". But he does not know how his own words reflect to the then society wherein Lord Jesus Christ was preaching. To say to his audience, "Thou shalt do no murder" means they were very much accustomed to commit murder. So what is the position of that society where the members are accustomed to commit murder, and what class of preaching can be made to such persons? As we see in another religious principle there is instruction that henceforward you shall not co-habit with your mother. So we have to judge such societies where there are murderers and those having sex life with their mothers, what kind of men they are. In the Bhagavad-gita the religious principles are divided into three categories: in the modes of goodness, passion and ignorance. Generally, all so-called principles are in the modes of passion and ignorance.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaTittenhurst2November1969_1" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="646" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">For example, in the Ten Commandments it is clearly stated "Thou shalt not kill", but some Bishop in Boston has changed it to "Thou shalt do no murder". This means the Bishop wants to keep hold for animal slaughter. So don't bother about all these literatures. We have all respect for these great preachers, but we do not require to study books save and accept for some reference. We must push on our philosophy how to love God. Our process is simple. We have got volumes of books also, so it is better for us to mind our own business than to divert our attention in the studies of other books. This was definitely forbidden by Lord Caitanya.</p>
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<div id="LettertoHamsadutaTittenhurst2November1969_2" class="quote" parent="1969_Correspondence" book="Let" index="646" link="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969" link_text="Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969|Letter to Hamsaduta -- Tittenhurst 2 November, 1969]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So far others are concerned, they cannot be compared even. For example, if Lord Jesus Christ said "Thou shalt not kill", or "Thou shalt do no murder" to the people, it does not reflect very good social structure of the audience. Our philosophy is above all these things. Just like we prescribe to our students no illicit sex-life, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling, but they are not ends in themselves. The real end is how to serve Krishna and sacrifice everything for Him. And to learn this transcendental art we have got so many volumes of books.</p>
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<div id="1971_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Correspondence" text="1971 Correspondence"><h3>1971 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoCitsukhanandaNairobi12October1971_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="492" link="Letter to Citsukhananda -- Nairobi 12 October, 1971" link_text="Letter to Citsukhananda -- Nairobi 12 October, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Citsukhananda -- Nairobi 12 October, 1971|Letter to Citsukhananda -- Nairobi 12 October, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">One thing is that all translations should be checked by you and Candrabali because those who are not our students, if they write some wrong conclusion, the whole thing will be murdered.</p>
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<div id="LettertoRayaramaBombay22October1971_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Correspondence" book="Let" index="503" link="Letter to Rayarama -- Bombay 22 October, 1971" link_text="Letter to Rayarama -- Bombay 22 October, 1971">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Rayarama -- Bombay 22 October, 1971|Letter to Rayarama -- Bombay 22 October, 1971]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">If you want to preach the gospel of Lord Jesus Christ on the principles of Bhagavad-gita you will find so many differences. Those who are following Jesus Christ, let them follow strictly to the principles of the Bible. "Thou shalt not kill" is now being misinterpreted by Christian priests. Now they say "Thou shall not murder." This means trying to save themselves from the crime of animal killing. So you cannot teach such unscrupled followers the message of Bhagavad-gita. If you want to preach Bible you can tell them why there will be misinterpretation. In N.Y. there is a big press that prints "Watchtower." They are forcefully criticizing Christian behavior.</p>
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<div id="1972_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Correspondence" text="1972 Correspondence"><h3>1972 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoDasarhaBombay4March1972_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Correspondence" book="Let" index="129" link="Letter to Dasarha -- Bombay 4 March, 1972" link_text="Letter to Dasarha -- Bombay 4 March, 1972">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Dasarha -- Bombay 4 March, 1972|Letter to Dasarha -- Bombay 4 March, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">First of all, to be saved by God means that one must obey what God orders or His laws of commandments.  But in the Bible God says "Thou shall not kill," but where is the Christian who does not kill animals and eat?  They have changed the meaning of kill to mean "murder," and for them, murder means only other humans.  So unless you find out some Christian who is actually intelligent, it is useless to try for convincing them of these points. Simply show them by example that we are finding great spiritual joy in serving Krishna, sell them some literature, give them prasadam, and invite to the temple, and if they cannot understand from the point of view of philosophy, at least they will be able to appreciate our wonderful and enlivening activities and that we have proved ourselves the most upright, moral persons and the best examples of enlightened souls for the general improvement of all the citizens.</p>
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<div id="1973_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoBhaktadasaBhaktivedantaManor3August1973_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Correspondence" book="Let" index="264" link="Letter to Bhakta dasa -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 3 August, 1973" link_text="Letter to Bhakta dasa -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 3 August, 1973">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Bhakta dasa -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 3 August, 1973|Letter to Bhakta dasa -- Bhaktivedanta Manor 3 August, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The first principle of spiritual life is non violence. They will say Killing in this matter means actually Murder, but accepting even this argument, it means that the society in which Christ was preaching were composed of Murderers, so what kind of men they were, and practically we see it is a fact that because they murdered Lord Jesus Christ. At any rate there is nothing in the world thAT CAN COMPARE WITH our Movement of Chanting and dancing. So Chant dance and when you get tired take Prasadm, this is our actual solid preaching work all over the world.</p>
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<div id="1974_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAlfredFordLosAngeles16July1974_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Correspondence" book="Let" index="271" link="Letter to Alfred Ford -- Los Angeles 16 July, 1974" link_text="Letter to Alfred Ford -- Los Angeles 16 July, 1974">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Alfred Ford -- Los Angeles 16 July, 1974|Letter to Alfred Ford -- Los Angeles 16 July, 1974]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">If you kill some living being, he will kill you in the next life. According to Manu samhita, the Vedic lawbook, a murderer is hanged and thereby released from sinful activities so that in the next life he may not be killed. Life for life sentence is given to end the result of sinful activities in this life instead of waiting for the next life. Unfortunately people at the present moment do not know what is the next life, what is this life, what is karma, how one becomes entangled, how one becomes free. The modern education is void of all this enlightenment. They are kept in darkness without any knowledge of the values of life. Our Krishna consciousness movement is a great boon to the human society. We are trying to save the human society from all kinds of suffering, past, present, and future.</p>
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<div id="1975_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoAlanathaVrindaban1September1975_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Correspondence" book="Let" index="488" link="Letter to Alanatha -- Vrindaban 1 September, 1975" link_text="Letter to Alanatha -- Vrindaban 1 September, 1975">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Alanatha -- Vrindaban 1 September, 1975|Letter to Alanatha -- Vrindaban 1 September, 1975]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">I am very glad that you are getting so much interest from persons coming from the Eastern Europe countries. You should give the two devotees from there all facility in translating. Now I am requesting Hamsaduta and Bhagavan to make vigorous propaganda in Eastern Europe. In the latest issue of Back to Godhead English edition there is my discussion about Marx philosophy. It will appeal to any sane man. Lenin has murdered the Czar, that was his only accomplishment, but any gunda could do that. This article should be read and translated.</p>
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<div id="1976_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="11" parent="Correspondence" text="1976 Correspondence"><h3>1976 Correspondence</h3>
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<div id="LettertoDrChittaranjanMohapatraMayapur21March1976_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Correspondence" book="Let" index="197" link="Letter to Dr. Chittaranjan Mohapatra -- Mayapur 21 March, 1976" link_text="Letter to Dr. Chittaranjan Mohapatra -- Mayapur 21 March, 1976">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Dr. Chittaranjan Mohapatra -- Mayapur 21 March, 1976|Letter to Dr. Chittaranjan Mohapatra -- Mayapur 21 March, 1976]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Sacrifice does not mean murdering. The real work is yajna. Yajna means Visnu. In the Bhagavad-gita, yajna is prescribed. Yajnarthat karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam Karma-bandhanah . . . ([[Vanisource:BG 3.9 (1972)|BG 3.9]]). "Work done as a sacrifice for Visnu has to be performed, otherwise work binds one to this world." Yajna is prescribed in Vedic literature. Yajna means satisfying Lord Visnu. Lord Visnu's another name is Yajna-purusa. One must satisfy Him anyway that He likes. "Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati . . .  ([[Vanisource:BG 9.26 (1972)|BG 9.26]]). If one offers Me in devotion a leaf, flower, fruit or water, I will accept it." Not that whimsically offer.</p>
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