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<div id="RoomConversationwithKrishnaTiwariMay221973NewYork_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="31" link="Room Conversation with Krishna Tiwari -- May 22, 1973, New York" link_text="Room Conversation with Krishna Tiwari -- May 22, 1973, New York">
<div class="heading">That automatic means just like you become criminal.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Krishna Tiwari -- May 22, 1973, New York|Room Conversation with Krishna Tiwari -- May 22, 1973, New York]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Krishna Tiwari: Well, I do not believe in the subjugation.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is your madness, because you know.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: No, no. No way, no way you can say that. (laughing)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, don't be upset. You said that you are under the laws of nature.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: I am.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore you are under subjugation.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: But, but I do not believe these kind of "authority" words.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You believe, you believe. When, when the laws of nature will force upon you death, you must believe.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Oh, I'm sure I will believe.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then why do you say that you are not obligation?</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: No, but that's not question of authority or anything...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is authority. We mean another...</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: ...that's a part of the nature. Difference between...,</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: ...big difference between subjugative authority and being a part of the nature.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Subjugative, when you are forced to become old, when you are forced to become diseased, you are under subjugation.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Mistake. Not forced. It's automatic, it's, it's just a chain. It's a growth into. It's a factor; it's no force.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That automatic means just like you become criminal.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: That, that's the way progress, I'm a part of it. I'm not under or over anybody, and no one is over, under, or above me. You are not under me. You are not over me.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: You're under nature's law.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Right, we all are. You, me, Swamiji, you, all of us are.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: Exactly. Exactly.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Neither you are above me, nor you are below, nor I am above you. I may have respect for you, because I, on my own, believe that you are respectable. That is entirely different thing.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: That's up to you.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Then authority. That's what I'm saying. This is up to me. But authority and subjugation are, are the two things which will not come.</p>
<p>Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's a matter of your choice. Accepting...</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: It's a matter of personal choice.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If you are not under subjugation, that does not authority?</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: I'm no, I'm no, I'm no subjugation to anyone. I'm a part of the nature.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: How is that you're not...</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: If nature moves, I move with it. If the nature makes me old, I get old.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You have here subjugation.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: I am no... I'm a part of a... Nature is changing too. Nature is nothing which is, which is static.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Nature is not changing.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Oh, sure it is changing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not changing.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: Well, my belief is it's changing, and even Lord Kṛṣṇa says it changes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Krishna Tiwari: I think He does.</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkOctober261975Mauritius_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="225" link="Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius" link_text="Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius">
<div class="heading">Automatic means you have to wait for that automatic control. You cannot do.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius|Morning Walk -- October 26, 1975, Mauritius]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Brahmānanda: They cannot control the water in that way. (Break) It's like there was a big valve, and someone has shut the valve...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: ...and so the water is getting less. It is controlled.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And who is controlling? It is not under my control. First time I wanted to go, I could not. But this time I can. So under whose control? It is my control or somebody else?</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Well, they will say "automatic control."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is that "automatic"? That is their stupidity. Everything is being done under control. What is the automatic? (Break) ...automatic means you have to wait for that automatic control. You cannot do.</p>
<p>Cyavana: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then where is the meaning of "automatic"?</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: But their idea is that they can change the automatic control to suit their own...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is their... That is their stupidity. Therefore they are fit for being kicked. That is the disease-imagining, obstinacy. They cannot do anything; still they'll claim they can do. "Pay me my salary."</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What is the position of the scientist who studies the laws of nature and then he tries to utilize them for his advantage, exploits them?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. The law is there. That is not his law. So his intelligence will be there when he understands who has made this law. Then his intelligence. That is intelligence.</p>
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