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	== Srimad-Bhagavatam ==		<div class="section" id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2></div>

	=== SB Canto 5 ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="SB_Canto_5" text="SB Canto 5"><h3>SB Canto 5</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="SB" link="SB 5.8.7" link_text="SB 5.8.7, Purport">
			<div class="heading">Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~SB-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.8.7\|SB 5.8.7, Purport]]:''' Spiritual salvation and liberation from material bondage must be worked out with great caution, otherwise a little discrepancy will cause one to fall down again into material existence. By studying the activities of Mahārāja Bharata, we can learn the art of becoming completely freed from all material attachment. As it will be revealed in later verses, Bharata Mahārāja had to accept the body of a deer due to being overly compassionate for this infant deer. We should be compassionate by raising one from the material platform to the spiritual platform; otherwise at any moment our spiritual advancement may be spoiled, and we may fall down onto the material platform. Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.8.7\|SB 5.8.7, Purport]]:''' Spiritual salvation and liberation from material bondage must be worked out with great caution, otherwise a little discrepancy will cause one to fall down again into material existence. By studying the activities of Mahārāja Bharata, we can learn the art of becoming completely freed from all material attachment. As it will be revealed in later verses, Bharata Mahārāja had to accept the body of a deer due to being overly compassionate for this infant deer. We should be compassionate by raising one from the material platform to the spiritual platform; otherwise at any moment our spiritual advancement may be spoiled, and we may fall down onto the material platform. Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.</div>
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	=== SB Canto 6 ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="SB_Canto_6" text="SB Canto 6"><h3>SB Canto 6</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Lec" link="Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975" link_text="Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975">
			<div class="heading">Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LEC-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975\|Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975]]:''' So the degradation began—dadarśa, he saw on the way... Kāminaṁ kañcic chūdram. Chūdram, these male-female behavior... Nowadays, not so much in India, but in the Western countries it is very usual thing—a young man is embracing another young woman or kissing. So there is no fault. But according to Vedic civilization, this is fault because it will give chance to others. Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown. But there is no restriction. The young men, they are seeing daily in the cinema, on the road, in their school, college. But this Ajāmila, although he was so exalted a brāhmaṇa, simply by seeing one śūdra... Śūdra means who has no training, fools, rascals. So he was embracing another woman, and that became attractive to this Ajāmila, and then he wanted to do the same thing and he became degraded. This will be described later on.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975\|Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975]]:''' So the degradation began—dadarśa, he saw on the way... Kāminaṁ kañcic chūdram. Chūdram, these male-female behavior... Nowadays, not so much in India, but in the Western countries it is very usual thing—a young man is embracing another young woman or kissing. So there is no fault. But according to Vedic civilization, this is fault because it will give chance to others. Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown. But there is no restriction. The young men, they are seeing daily in the cinema, on the road, in their school, college. But this Ajāmila, although he was so exalted a brāhmaṇa, simply by seeing one śūdra... Śūdra means who has no training, fools, rascals. So he was embracing another woman, and that became attractive to this Ajāmila, and then he wanted to do the same thing and he became degraded. This will be described later on.</div>
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	== Lectures ==		<div class="section" id="Lectures" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2></div>

	=== Philosophy Discussions ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="Philosophy_Discussions" text="Philosophy Discussions"><h3>Philosophy Discussions</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~Why I shall serve God? I shall enjoy myself," that is the beginning of falldown.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Lec" link="Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal">
			<div class="heading">Why I shall serve God? I shall enjoy myself," that is the beginning of falldown.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LEC-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal\|Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal\|Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal]]:'''

	Hayagrīva: Pascal believed in the doctrine of original sin. That doctrine holds that at one time man fell from grace by committing some sin or other, and that fall from grace accounts for his present position between the demigods and the beasts. In other words, that original sin accounts for man's engagement, or encagement, in matter.		Hayagrīva: Pascal believed in the doctrine of original sin. That doctrine holds that at one time man fell from grace by committing some sin or other, and that fall from grace accounts for his present position between the demigods and the beasts. In other words, that original sin accounts for man's engagement, or encagement, in matter.
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	Hayagrīva: Oh, what was, what was this original sin?		Hayagrīva: Oh, what was, what was this original sin?

	Prabhupāda: This is the original sin. When he thought of not to serve God but to become God, that is the original. Just like the Māyāvādīs, they have knowledge, they have philosophy, everything, but still trying to become God, which is impossible. Then there is no meaning of God. If simply by meditation and by some material efforts one can become God, then where is the use of God? You cannot become God. But artificially you can try to become God, and that artificial way of becoming God is the beginning of sinful life.</~~span~~>		Prabhupāda: This is the original sin. When he thought of not to serve God but to become God, that is the original. Just like the Māyāvādīs, they have knowledge, they have philosophy, everything, but still trying to become God, which is impossible. Then there is no meaning of God. If simply by meditation and by some material efforts one can become God, then where is the use of God? You cannot become God. But artificially you can try to become God, and that artificial way of becoming God is the beginning of sinful life.</div>
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	== Correspondence ==		<div class="section" id="Correspondence" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2></div>

	=== 1975 Correspondence ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1975_Correspondence" text="1975 Correspondence"><h3>1975 Correspondence</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown. ~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Let" link="Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975" link_text="Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975">
			<div class="heading">When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LET-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975\|Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975]]:''' Regarding your question about the difference between the mind and the soul, in the Bhagavad-gita it is directly said that the mind is inferior energy in a subtle form, and soul, jiva, is superior energy. So they are completely distinct. Mind is not spiritual, but mind is a subtle material form. When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown. When the living being thinks himself to be the enjoyer, that is called false ego. His constitutional position is to serve Krishna. So this false egotism degrades him to pollute the intelligence and the mind.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975\|Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975]]:''' Regarding your question about the difference between the mind and the soul, in the Bhagavad-gita it is directly said that the mind is inferior energy in a subtle form, and soul, jiva, is superior energy. So they are completely distinct. Mind is not spiritual, but mind is a subtle material form. When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown. When the living being thinks himself to be the enjoyer, that is called false ego. His constitutional position is to serve Krishna. So this false egotism degrades him to pollute the intelligence and the mind.</div>
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== Srimad-Bhagavatam ==

=== SB Canto 5 ===

'''Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.'''

'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.8.7|SB 5.8.7, Purport]]:''' Spiritual salvation and liberation from material bondage must be worked out with great caution, otherwise a little discrepancy will cause one to fall down again into material existence. By studying the activities of Mahārāja Bharata, we can learn the art of becoming completely freed from all material attachment. As it will be revealed in later verses, Bharata Mahārāja had to accept the body of a deer due to being overly compassionate for this infant deer. We should be compassionate by raising one from the material platform to the spiritual platform; otherwise at any moment our spiritual advancement may be spoiled, and we may fall down onto the material platform. Mahārāja Bharata's compassion for the deer was the beginning of his falldown into the material world.

=== SB Canto 6 ===

'''Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975|Lecture on SB 6.1.56-57 -- Bombay, August 14, 1975]]:''' So the degradation began—dadarśa, he saw on the way... Kāminaṁ kañcic chūdram. Chūdram, these male-female behavior... Nowadays, not so much in India, but in the Western countries it is very usual thing—a young man is embracing another young woman or kissing. So there is no fault. But according to Vedic civilization, this is fault because it will give chance to others. Nowadays in picture they are also shown to enthuse others to become lusty, and that is the beginning of his falldown. But there is no restriction. The young men, they are seeing daily in the cinema, on the road, in their school, college. But this Ajāmila, although he was so exalted a brāhmaṇa, simply by seeing one śūdra... Śūdra means who has no training, fools, rascals. So he was embracing another woman, and that became attractive to this Ajāmila, and then he wanted to do the same thing and he became degraded. This will be described later on.

== Lectures ==

=== Philosophy Discussions ===

'''Why I shall serve God? I shall enjoy myself," that is the beginning of falldown.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal|Philosophy Discussion on Blaise Pascal]]:'''

Hayagrīva: Pascal believed in the doctrine of original sin. That doctrine holds that at one time man fell from grace by committing some sin or other, and that fall from grace accounts for his present position between the demigods and the beasts. In other words, that original sin accounts for man's engagement, or encagement, in matter.

Prabhupāda: Yes, this is our...

Hayagrīva: What was this original sin?

Prabhupāda: To disobey the order of Kṛṣṇa, or not to serve Kṛṣṇa. Just like some servant, he tries that "Why I am serving this master? Why not become a master." The, sometimes psychologically it comes. A man is working in the office, he is seeing the managing director is sitting and is taking all the money, and sometimes the worker... Just like a capitalist and the worker. Why it is Communist movement? That they are thinking that "We are working, and the capitalist is taking the money." So they revolt, they make strike, and they form a society that "We have the..., we must have this money." That is communism. So similarly, when the living entity—he is eternally part and parcel of God; to serve God, that is his real position—but when he thinks that "Why I shall serve God? I shall enjoy myself," that is the beginning of falldown. So what is your question? When the... This was your question, that "When the sinful life begins?"

Hayagrīva: Oh, what was, what was this original sin?

Prabhupāda: This is the original sin. When he thought of not to serve God but to become God, that is the original. Just like the Māyāvādīs, they have knowledge, they have philosophy, everything, but still trying to become God, which is impossible. Then there is no meaning of God. If simply by meditation and by some material efforts one can become God, then where is the use of God? You cannot become God. But artificially you can try to become God, and that artificial way of becoming God is the beginning of sinful life.

== Correspondence ==

=== 1975 Correspondence ===

'''When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown. '''

'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975|Letter to Prem J. Batra -- Ahmedabad 28 September, 1975]]:''' Regarding your question about the difference between the mind and the soul, in the Bhagavad-gita it is directly said that the mind is inferior energy in a subtle form, and soul, jiva, is superior energy. So they are completely distinct. Mind is not spiritual, but mind is a subtle material form. When the soul becomes captivated for enjoying the material world instead of rendering service to Krishna, that is the beginning of his falldown. When the living being thinks himself to be the enjoyer, that is called false ego. His constitutional position is to serve Krishna. So this false egotism degrades him to pollute the intelligence and the mind.