Visnu Murti at 11:06, 13 November 2022

2022-11-13T11:06:44Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:06, 13 November 2022
Line 1:		Line 1:
			<div id="compilation">
			<div id="facts">
	{{terms\|"caste gurus"\|"caste guru"}}		{{terms\|"caste gurus"\|"caste guru"}}

Line 17:		Line 19:
	{{toc right}}		{{toc right}}

	[[Category:Caste]]		[[Category:Caste Guru\|1]]
			</div>

	~~[[Category:Guru]]~~		<div class="section" id="Sri_Caitanya-caritamrta" text="Sri Caitanya-caritamrta"><h2>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta</h2></div>

	== ~~Sri Caitanya~~-~~caritamrta =~~=		<div class="sub_section" id="CC_Madhya-lila" text="CC Madhya-lila"><h3>CC Madhya-lila</h3></div>

	=== CC Madhya~~-lila =~~==		<div class="quote" book="CC" link="CC Madhya 8.83" link_text="CC Madhya 8.83, Purport">
			<div class="heading">One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">'''One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 8.83\|CC Madhya 8.83, Purport]]:''' He clearly mentions in this verse that one must refer to the Vedic literatures and other, supplementary literatures and follow the conclusion of the Vedas. An invented devotional attitude simply creates disturbances in the transcendental realm. If a person overly addicted to family life takes to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Kṛṣṇa consciousness to earn a livelihood, his activity is certainly offensive. One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood. All these activities are offensive. One should not make a livelihood by forming a professional band to carry out congregational chanting, nor should one perform devotional service when one is attached to mundane society, friendship and love. Nor should one be dependent on so-called social etiquette. All of this is mental speculation. None of these things can be compared to unalloyed devotional service. No one can compare unalloyed devotional service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to mundane activities. There are many unauthorized parties pretending to belong to the Śrī Caitanya cult, and some are known as āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī and gaurāṅga-nāgari.</div>
			</div>

	<~~span~~ class="CC~~-statistics~~"~~>'''[[Vanisource:~~CC Madhya 8.~~83\|~~CC Madhya 8.83, Purport~~]]:''' He clearly mentions in this verse that one must refer~~ to ~~the Vedic literatures and other~~, ~~supplementary literatures~~ and ~~follow the conclusion of the Vedas. An invented devotional attitude simply creates disturbances in the transcendental realm. If a person overly addicted to~~ family life takes to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Kṛṣṇa consciousness to earn a livelihood, his activity is certainly offensive. One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood. All these activities are offensive. One should not make a livelihood by forming a professional band to carry out congregational chanting, nor should one perform devotional service when one is attached to mundane society, friendship and love. Nor should one be dependent on so-called social etiquette. All of this is mental speculation. None of these things can be compared to unalloyed devotional service. No one can compare unalloyed devotional service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to mundane activities. There are many unauthorized parties pretending to belong to the Śrī Caitanya cult, and some are known as āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī and gaurāṅga-nāgari.</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="CC" link="CC Madhya 8.128" link_text="CC Madhya 8.128, Purport">
			<div class="heading">According to caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">'''According to caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 8.128\|CC Madhya 8.128, Purport]]:''' If one becomes a guru, he is automatically a brāhmaṇa. Sometimes a caste guru says that ye kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei guru haya means that one who is not a brāhmaṇa may become a śikṣā-guru or a vartma-pradarśaka-guru but not an initiator guru. According to such caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost. However, the hereditary consideration is not acceptable to Vaiṣṇavas. The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarśaka-guru, śikṣā-guru and dīkṣā-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. According to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s intentions, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi-grāma sarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s cult must be preached all over the world. This does not mean that people should take to His teachings and remain śūdras or caṇḍālas. As soon as one is trained as a pure Vaiṣṇava, he must be accepted as a bona fide brāhmaṇa. This is the essence of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s instructions in this verse.</div>
			</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CC-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 8.128\|CC Madhya 8.128, Purport]]:''' If one becomes a guru, he is automatically a brāhmaṇa. Sometimes a caste guru says that ye kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei guru haya means that one who is not a brāhmaṇa may become a śikṣā-guru or a vartma-pradarśaka-guru but not an initiator guru. According to such caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost. However, the hereditary consideration is not acceptable to Vaiṣṇavas. The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarśaka-guru, śikṣā-guru and dīkṣā-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. According to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s intentions, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi-grāma sarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s cult must be preached all over the world. This does not mean that people should take to His teachings and remain śūdras or caṇḍālas. As soon as one is trained as a pure Vaiṣṇava, he must be accepted as a bona fide brāhmaṇa. This is the essence of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s instructions in this verse.</~~span~~>		<div class="section" id="Lectures" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2></div>

	== Lectures ==		<div class="sub_section" id="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures"><h3>Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures</h3></div>

	=== ~~Srimad~~-~~Bhagavatam Lectures =~~==		<div class="quote" book="Lec" link="Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976" link_text="Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976">
			<div class="heading">In India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="q_heading">'''In India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.'''</span>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976\|Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976]]:''' People are affectionate to father and mother, and they hesitate how to give up... Especially boys give up the company of family, father and mother, take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But here, in the śāstra, it is said, if the father is demon or a mother is demon or a friend is demon or a family member is demon, they should not be accepted as relative. Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syād gurur na sa syāt. Even guru. If you have accepted somebody as guru but he's a demon, he should be rejected immediately, immediately. Just like in India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.</div>
			</div>
	~~<span class="LEC-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976\|Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976]]:''' People are affectionate to father and mother, and they hesitate how to give up... Especially boys give up the company of family, father and mother, take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But here, in the śāstra, it is said, if the father is demon or a mother is demon or a friend is demon or a family member is demon, they should not be accepted as relative. Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syād gurur na sa syāt. Even guru. If you have accepted somebody as guru but he's a demon, he should be rejected immediately, immediately. Just like in India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.</~~span~~>		</div>

Visnu Murti at 06:48, 13 April 2009

2009-04-13T06:48:53Z

New page

{{terms|"caste gurus"|"caste guru"}}

{{notes|}}

{{compiler|Archana| Visnu Murti}}

{{complete|ALL}}

{{first|01Dec08}}

{{last|13Apr09}}

{{totals_by_section|BG=0|SB=0|CC=2|OB=0|Lec=1|Con=0|Let=0}}

{{total|3}}

{{toc right}}

[[Category:Caste]]

[[Category:Guru]]

== Sri Caitanya-caritamrta ==

=== CC Madhya-lila ===

'''One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood.'''

'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 8.83|CC Madhya 8.83, Purport]]:''' He clearly mentions in this verse that one must refer to the Vedic literatures and other, supplementary literatures and follow the conclusion of the Vedas. An invented devotional attitude simply creates disturbances in the transcendental realm. If a person overly addicted to family life takes to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Kṛṣṇa consciousness to earn a livelihood, his activity is certainly offensive. One should not become a caste guru and sell mantras for the benefit of mundane customers, nor should one make disciples for a livelihood. All these activities are offensive. One should not make a livelihood by forming a professional band to carry out congregational chanting, nor should one perform devotional service when one is attached to mundane society, friendship and love. Nor should one be dependent on so-called social etiquette. All of this is mental speculation. None of these things can be compared to unalloyed devotional service. No one can compare unalloyed devotional service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to mundane activities. There are many unauthorized parties pretending to belong to the Śrī Caitanya cult, and some are known as āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī and gaurāṅga-nāgari.

'''According to caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost.'''

'''[[Vanisource:CC Madhya 8.128|CC Madhya 8.128, Purport]]:''' If one becomes a guru, he is automatically a brāhmaṇa. Sometimes a caste guru says that ye kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei guru haya means that one who is not a brāhmaṇa may become a śikṣā-guru or a vartma-pradarśaka-guru but not an initiator guru. According to such caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost. However, the hereditary consideration is not acceptable to Vaiṣṇavas. The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarśaka-guru, śikṣā-guru and dīkṣā-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. According to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s intentions, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi-grāma sarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s cult must be preached all over the world. This does not mean that people should take to His teachings and remain śūdras or caṇḍālas. As soon as one is trained as a pure Vaiṣṇava, he must be accepted as a bona fide brāhmaṇa. This is the essence of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s instructions in this verse.

== Lectures ==

=== Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures ===

'''In India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976|Lecture on SB 7.9.14 -- Mayapur, February 21, 1976]]:''' People are affectionate to father and mother, and they hesitate how to give up... Especially boys give up the company of family, father and mother, take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But here, in the śāstra, it is said, if the father is demon or a mother is demon or a friend is demon or a family member is demon, they should not be accepted as relative. Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syād gurur na sa syāt. Even guru. If you have accepted somebody as guru but he's a demon, he should be rejected immediately, immediately. Just like in India there is a system of jāta-guru, the guru by caste. By familywise, they become guru. One family is attached to another guru family by hereditary rules, the sons after sons accepting guru, the other party, and there is regular business. So such kind of guru is not wanted.

Caste guru - Revision history

Visnu Murti at 11:06, 13 November 2022

Visnu Murti at 06:48, 13 April 2009