Don't believe in hell - Revision history

Stritama at 12:05, 10 December 2012

2012-12-10T12:05:01Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 12:05, 10 December 2012
Line 1:		Line 1:
			<div id="compilation">
			<div id="facts">
	{{terms\|"not believe in hell"\|"no longer believe in hell"\|"don't believe in hell"\|"people disbelieve these descriptions of hell"}}		{{terms\|"not believe in hell"\|"no longer believe in hell"\|"don't believe in hell"\|"people disbelieve these descriptions of hell"}}

Line 16:		Line 18:

	{{toc right}}		{{toc right}}
			[[Category:Do Not Believe\|2]]

	[[Category:~~Disbelieve~~]]		[[Category:Hell\|2]]
			</div>

	~~[[Category:Hell]]~~		<div class="section" id="Srimad-Bhagavatam" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam"><h2>Srimad-Bhagavatam</h2></div>

	== ~~Srimad-Bhagavatam =~~=		<div class="sub_section" id="SB_Canto_5" text="SB Canto 5"><h3>SB Canto 5</h3></div>

	=== SB ~~Canto~~ 5 ===		<div class="quote" book="SB" link="SB 5.26.6" link_text="SB 5.26.6, Purport">
			<div class="heading">Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading">'''Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka.'''</span>~~		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.6\|SB 5.26.6, Purport]]:''' Yamarāja is not a fictitious or mythological character; he has his own abode, Pitṛloka, of which he is king. Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka. Yamarāja is appointed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead to see that the human beings do not violate His rules and regulations. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (4.17):

	~~<span class="SB-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.6\|SB 5.26.6, Purport]]:''' Yamarāja is not a fictitious or mythological character; he has his own abode, Pitṛloka, of which he is king. Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka. Yamarāja is appointed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead to see that the human beings do not violate His rules and regulations. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (4.17):

	:karmaṇo hy api boddhavyaṁ		:karmaṇo hy api boddhavyaṁ
Line 34:		Line 37:
	:gahanā karmaṇo gatiḥ		:gahanā karmaṇo gatiḥ

	"The intricacies of action are very hard to understand. Therefore one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and what inaction is. "One should understand the nature of karma, vikarma and akarma, and one must act accordingly. This is the law of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The conditioned souls, who have come to this material world for sense gratification, are allowed to enjoy their senses under certain regulative principles. If they violate these regulations, they are judged and punished by Yamarāja. He brings them to the hellish planets and properly chastises them to bring them back to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. By the influence of māyā, however, the conditioned souls remain infatuated with the mode of ignorance. Thus in spite of repeated punishment by Yamarāja, they do not come to their senses, but continue to live within the material condition, committing sinful activities again and again.</~~span~~>		"The intricacies of action are very hard to understand. Therefore one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and what inaction is. "One should understand the nature of karma, vikarma and akarma, and one must act accordingly. This is the law of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The conditioned souls, who have come to this material world for sense gratification, are allowed to enjoy their senses under certain regulative principles. If they violate these regulations, they are judged and punished by Yamarāja. He brings them to the hellish planets and properly chastises them to bring them back to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. By the influence of māyā, however, the conditioned souls remain infatuated with the mode of ignorance. Thus in spite of repeated punishment by Yamarāja, they do not come to their senses, but continue to live within the material condition, committing sinful activities again and again.</div>
			</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="SB" link="SB 5.26.21" link_text="SB 5.26.21, Purport">
			<div class="heading">Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~SB-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.21\|SB 5.26.21, Purport]]:''' The sexual urge is so strong that sometimes a man indulges in sexual relations with a cow, or a woman indulges in sexual relations with a dog. Such men and women are put into the hell known as Vajrakaṇṭaka-śālmalī. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement forbids illicit sex. From the description of these verses, we can understand what an extremely sinful act illicit sex is. Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.21\|SB 5.26.21, Purport]]:''' The sexual urge is so strong that sometimes a man indulges in sexual relations with a cow, or a woman indulges in sexual relations with a dog. Such men and women are put into the hell known as Vajrakaṇṭaka-śālmalī. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement forbids illicit sex. From the description of these verses, we can understand what an extremely sinful act illicit sex is. Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.</div>
			</div>

	== Lectures ==		<div class="section" id="Lectures" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2></div>

	=== Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" text="Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures"><h3>Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~In the West, our theologies have taught us that we no longer believe in heaven, we no longer believe in hell, we no longer believe in a soul.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Lec" link="Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973">
			<div class="heading">In the West, our theologies have taught us that we no longer believe in heaven, we no longer believe in hell, we no longer believe in a soul.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LEC-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973\|Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973\|Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973]]:'''

	Man (8): I have some sympathy for you, sir, but I think that tonight you have been postulating the old concept that most of our established religions have thrown out, that is that the reward for the miseries of this life lie in the transmigration of one's soul. But...		Man (8): I have some sympathy for you, sir, but I think that tonight you have been postulating the old concept that most of our established religions have thrown out, that is that the reward for the miseries of this life lie in the transmigration of one's soul. But...
Line 55:		Line 62:
	Prabhupāda: No, I... If you do not believe, that does not mean the things become null and void. That is not a fact. Suppose a thief does not believe in the prison house. That does not mean the prisonhouse will be closed. A thief may think like that. That is another thing. But the prisonhouse will continue, and as soon as you commit theft, you will be put there. That's all.		Prabhupāda: No, I... If you do not believe, that does not mean the things become null and void. That is not a fact. Suppose a thief does not believe in the prison house. That does not mean the prisonhouse will be closed. A thief may think like that. That is another thing. But the prisonhouse will continue, and as soon as you commit theft, you will be put there. That's all.

	Man (8): I think that there is no point in answering a question with a parable. In point of fact, the things you've been postulating tonight is a denial of observable truth.</~~span~~>		Man (8): I think that there is no point in answering a question with a parable. In point of fact, the things you've been postulating tonight is a denial of observable truth.</div>
			</div>

	== Conversations and Morning Walks ==		<div class="section" id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2></div>

	=== 1974 Conversations and Morning Walks ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~She says that this would mean that there is a hell. But she doesn't believe in hell.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany" link_text="Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany">
			<div class="heading">She says that this would mean that there is a hell. But she doesn't believe in hell.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany\|Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany\|Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany]]:'''

	Pṛthu: She says that this is their... She's also on your side. She says that this would not be right if the bad men were to get the same thing as the good men.		Pṛthu: She says that this is their... She's also on your side. She says that this would not be right if the bad men were to get the same thing as the good men.
Line 79:		Line 88:
	Pṛthu: What is it?		Pṛthu: What is it?

	Prabhupāda: Ūrdhvam. And she is a philosopher? (German)</~~span~~>		Prabhupāda: Ūrdhvam. And she is a philosopher? (German)</div>
			</div>
			</div>

Visnu Murti at 11:29, 21 December 2008

2008-12-21T11:29:04Z

New page

{{terms|"not believe in hell"|"no longer believe in hell"|"don't believe in hell"|"people disbelieve these descriptions of hell"}}

{{notes|}}

{{compiler|Vrindi}}

{{complete|ALL}}

{{first|21Dec08}}

{{last|21Dec08}}

{{totals_by_section|BG=0|SB=2|CC=0|OB=0|Lec=1|Con=1|Let=0}}

{{total|4}}

{{toc right}}

[[Category:Disbelieve]]

[[Category:Hell]]

== Srimad-Bhagavatam ==

=== SB Canto 5 ===

'''Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka.'''

'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.6|SB 5.26.6, Purport]]:''' Yamarāja is not a fictitious or mythological character; he has his own abode, Pitṛloka, of which he is king. Agnostics may not believe in hell, but Śukadeva Gosvāmī affirms the existence of the Naraka planets, which lie between the Garbhodaka Ocean and Pātālaloka. Yamarāja is appointed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead to see that the human beings do not violate His rules and regulations. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (4.17):

:karmaṇo hy api boddhavyaṁ
:boddhavyaṁ ca vikarmaṇaḥ
:akarmaṇaś ca boddhavyaṁ
:gahanā karmaṇo gatiḥ

"The intricacies of action are very hard to understand. Therefore one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and what inaction is. "One should understand the nature of karma, vikarma and akarma, and one must act accordingly. This is the law of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The conditioned souls, who have come to this material world for sense gratification, are allowed to enjoy their senses under certain regulative principles. If they violate these regulations, they are judged and punished by Yamarāja. He brings them to the hellish planets and properly chastises them to bring them back to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. By the influence of māyā, however, the conditioned souls remain infatuated with the mode of ignorance. Thus in spite of repeated punishment by Yamarāja, they do not come to their senses, but continue to live within the material condition, committing sinful activities again and again.

'''Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.'''

'''[[Vanisource:SB 5.26.21|SB 5.26.21, Purport]]:''' The sexual urge is so strong that sometimes a man indulges in sexual relations with a cow, or a woman indulges in sexual relations with a dog. Such men and women are put into the hell known as Vajrakaṇṭaka-śālmalī. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement forbids illicit sex. From the description of these verses, we can understand what an extremely sinful act illicit sex is. Sometimes people disbelieve these descriptions of hell, but whether one believes or not, everything must be carried out by the laws of nature, which no one can avoid.

== Lectures ==

=== Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures ===

'''In the West, our theologies have taught us that we no longer believe in heaven, we no longer believe in hell, we no longer believe in a soul.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973|Lecture on BG 2.9 -- Auckland, February 21, 1973]]:'''

Man (8): I have some sympathy for you, sir, but I think that tonight you have been postulating the old concept that most of our established religions have thrown out, that is that the reward for the miseries of this life lie in the transmigration of one's soul. But...

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is actual misery.
Man (1): But, but but... In the West, our theologies have taught us that we no longer believe in heaven, we no longer believe in hell, we no longer believe in a soul. So I think that if you want to generate some sympathy, you had better change your tack. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: No, I... If you do not believe, that does not mean the things become null and void. That is not a fact. Suppose a thief does not believe in the prison house. That does not mean the prisonhouse will be closed. A thief may think like that. That is another thing. But the prisonhouse will continue, and as soon as you commit theft, you will be put there. That's all.

Man (8): I think that there is no point in answering a question with a parable. In point of fact, the things you've been postulating tonight is a denial of observable truth.

== Conversations and Morning Walks ==

=== 1974 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''She says that this would mean that there is a hell. But she doesn't believe in hell.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany|Room Conversation with German Women Philosophers -- June 17, 1974, Germany]]:'''

Pṛthu: She says that this is their... She's also on your side. She says that this would not be right if the bad men were to get the same thing as the good men.

Prabhupāda: She said the bad man also will get peace. (laughs) (German)

Pṛthu: So this lady's point is: where shall the bad man go after death?

Prabhupāda: He'll become a dog. (German)

Pṛthu: She says that this would mean that there is a hell. But she doesn't believe in hell.

Prabhupāda: He may not believe, but hell is there. If... You read this book. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ [Bg. 14.18]. Read this verse. Just see how misbelief, that there is no hell. Just see. In this way, misled, whole world. The so-called rascal leaders mislead, "There is no hell. Don't believe in hell." Vivekananda said, "Yes. There is no hell." Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ.

Pṛthu: What is it?

Prabhupāda: Ūrdhvam. And she is a philosopher? (German)