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 <p>Devotee (1): They try to make God their order-supplier, and when the supply does not come, they say there is no God.</p>
 <p>Prabhupāda: God is not order-supplier. Otherwise everyone is praying. Just like in the last war, everyone went to church and prayed for saving the life... mostly woman, because all men in Germany especially, everywhere, they went to the war front. So all the women, they went to the church for praying for their husband, for their brother or father. But nobody came back. And later on, they became atheist: "Oh, there is no God." Because God did not supply their order, therefore there is no God. "If God agrees to my proposal and He supplies things as I want, then there is God. Otherwise there is no God." That means God is under my condition. This is going on.</p>
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<div class="heading">Force means if you violate the rules, then you are forced. If you contaminate some disease, then you are forced to suffer from the disease. If you don't contaminate, then you remain safe.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Amogha: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Lord Brahmā created something called self-deception. Would self-deception mean that if I think I am forced to fall down, but actually I wanted to fall down, but I think, "Oh, I am forced"? Is that self-deception?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Force? Force means if you violate the rules, then you are forced. If you contaminate some disease, then you are forced to suffer from the disease. If you don't contaminate, then you remain safe.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: But one must come to that point of being serious to recognize the problems of life? Before one can understand your books, the karmī must become serious to understand that he is in misery and that he must get out?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So without understanding, you were initiated? Do you think? Why you were initiated if you did not understand the seriousness? Why do you take initiation? That means cheating. You do not understand; still, you show that "I am now understanding." (break)</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: It seems to be very difficult if they are not very serious about anything...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is missionary activities, that they do not understand, but you have to make them understand. They are not calling you, "I am suffering. Please come," but it is your business to go and let them know that "You are suffering. You take this method." That is the way of becoming very quickly recognized by Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, if you think, "They are not understanding, what is the use of going there? Let me sleep," that is not good. They are not understanding; still, you have to go. Then Kṛṣṇa will take that "He is laboring so hard for My sake." Never mind he is successful. It doesn't matter. But you are working hard for Kṛṣṇa. That is noted down. So our business is to be recognized by Kṛṣṇa. Whether one man is converted or not converted, that is not our business. We shall try our best. But Kṛṣṇa must see that I am giving service to Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That is wanted. Not that you have to judge that you have approached so many men; nobody became Kṛṣṇa conscious.</p>
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<div class="heading">The force means there is Supreme, He is forcing. Without His sanction, you will be forced to commit mistake.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (break) Wherefrom the force comes? Why don't you inquire? Why do you say that sometimes you are forced to commit mistake. So why don't you inquire wherefrom the force coming? Did you inquire that?</p>
<p>Devotee (2): I tried to, Prabhupāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The force means there is Supreme, He is forcing. Without His sanction, you will be forced to commit mistake.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: That force is kāma, lust?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, force is there—God's desire or supreme will. You are trying to do something, you are trying your best. You are employing your full energy and all the means. Still, it is not done. Therefore the force is coming from God. Otherwise how you will explain? What is the explanation, that you endeavor, you did all that is possible by you, still, the result did not come? So how you will explain?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: You must accept God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): They try to make God their order-supplier, and when the supply does not come, they say there is no God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: God is not order-supplier. Otherwise everyone is praying. Just like in the last war, everyone went to church and prayed for saving the life... mostly woman, because all men in Germany especially, everywhere, they went to the war front. So all the women, they went to the church for praying for their husband, for their brother or father. But nobody came back. And later on, they became atheist: "Oh, there is no God." Because God did not supply their order, therefore there is no God. "If God agrees to my proposal and He supplies things as I want, then there is God. Otherwise there is no God." That means God is under my condition. This is going on.</p>
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<div class="heading">That force means spiritual force.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz|Philosophy Discussion on Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Śyāmasundara: Jīva ātmā is also a person?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If not person, then why the difference? You may not agree with my opinion, but if we agree voluntarily, not that exactly what I think you think, but because you have accepted me as your guru, as superior, therefore we agree. You are individual; you may not agree. You are individual and I am individual, Kṛṣṇa is individual. That is stated, nityo nityānām. Plural number. There are many individual souls, but He is the Supreme Individual Person.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: This idea of a monad means that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You call it by any name, but within the atom there is the force—that is Kṛṣṇa. You call it monad or something else.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: He says the lowest type of monad is in matter, material forms, and then it proceeds up through higher monads, which are souls.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So we directly say (indistinct) Kṛṣṇa, that is (indistinct) spiritual.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: He says that each monad has an inner or mental activity, a spiritual life.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is explained in everything, that as soon as we say there is Kṛṣṇa, so there is everything.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: So even between the atoms of matter there is a spiritual life, spiritual force?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That force means spiritual force.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: He says that all bodies are ultimate quantums of force, that the essential nature of all bodies is force.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Force is the spirit soul. Without the spirit soul, the body has no force. It is a dead body.</p>
<p>Śyāmasundara: But just as there is a dead body of a man lying there, still there is force going on in that body. There are worms coming out...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But that individual soul, force, is not perfect. As Kṛṣṇa is within the atom, the body is combination of so many atoms, so therefore the force for creating another living entity is there.</p>
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