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		<title>Vanibot: Vanibot #0019: LinkReviser - Revised links and redirected them to the de facto address when redirect exists</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Vanibot #0019: LinkReviser - Revised links and redirected them to the de facto address when redirect exists&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Visnu Murti: Created page with &#039;&lt;div id=&quot;compilation&quot;&gt; &lt;div id=&quot;facts&quot;&gt; {{terms|&quot;forefather&quot;|&quot;forefather&#039;s&quot;|&quot;forefathers&quot;}} {{notes|}} {{compiler|Visnu Murti}} {{complete|}} {{goal|74}} {{first|22Feb12}} {{last…&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;compilation&amp;quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;facts&amp;quot;&amp;gt; {{terms|&amp;quot;forefather&amp;quot;|&amp;quot;forefather&amp;#039;s&amp;quot;|&amp;quot;forefathers&amp;quot;}} {{notes|}} {{compiler|Visnu Murti}} {{complete|}} {{goal|74}} {{first|22Feb12}} {{last…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;DiscourseonLordCaitanyaPlayBetweenSrilaPrabhupadaandHayagrivaApril561967SanFrancisco_0&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;quote&amp;quot; parent=&amp;quot;1967_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks&amp;quot; book=&amp;quot;Con&amp;quot; index=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; link=&amp;quot;Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco&amp;quot; link_text=&amp;quot;Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;link&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Vanisource:Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco|Discourse on Lord Caitanya Play Between Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva -- April 5-6, 1967, San Francisco]]: &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div class=&amp;quot;text&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p style=&amp;quot;display: inline;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Prabhupāda: Chand Kazi.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Hayagrīva: Muhammadan.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Prabhupāda: Yes. Muhammadan. Chand Kazi was a... Maulana Chand Kazi. His name is Maulana Chand Kazi. He was a great scholar in the Koran scripture. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu first of all asked the Chand Kazi, &amp;quot;My dear uncle, what is your religion that you are eating your mother and father?&amp;quot; (laughs) So he could understand that He was attacking the cow killing process. So he said, &amp;quot;Well, You are just trying to criticize our cow killing, but in Your Vedic literature also I have seen that cow killing is allowed in sacrifice.&amp;quot; Then Lord Caitanya said, &amp;quot;Yes. That is not killing. That is rejuvenating. That is not killing.&amp;quot; The sacrifice of cow recommended in the Vedic śāstra means that the brāhmaṇas prove how powerful was Vedic mantra that it could give a new life to the old cows and bulls. So then Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, that &amp;quot;Such kind of learned brāhmaṇas and Vedic yajña is not possible in this age. Therefore cow killing...&amp;quot; Not cow killing. &amp;quot;Sacrifice by offering cow, sacrifice by offering horse, and...&amp;quot; Aśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.164|CC Adi 17.164]]). And sannyāsaṁ pala paitṛkam. Sannyāsa means to become in the renounced order of life. And these five things. One thing is sacrifice by offering cow. Second, sacrifice by offering horse. Third, to accept renounced order of life. And fourth, offering ablutions... Or what is called? Offering some, something to the forefathers? What is called?&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Hayagrīva: Oblations.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Prabhupāda: Oblations. Yes. This, and to beget child by the husband&amp;#039;s younger brother. Formerly, the society allowed that if a woman is young, she has no child, but husband died, so if the husband has younger brother, through the younger brother she could have a child. This system was current. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that these five things are forbidden in this age. So Chand Kazi also replied that &amp;quot;Cow killing is also not generally recommended in the Koran. Actually, beef-eating or flesh-eating is not in the higher stage. But those who are inclined to take flesh, for them it is recommended that instead of killing many small animals, one big animal should be killed. So actually in Mecca, Medina, they kill camel. That is also in the mosque.&amp;quot; So the substance of his speech was that flesh-eating ultimately is not recommended.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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