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	== Conversations and Morning Walks ==		<div class="section" id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2></div>

	=== 1975 Conversations and Morning Walks ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3></div>

	~~'''~~That ideal section is now lacking~~'''~~		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana" link_text="Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana">
			<div class="heading">That ideal section is now lacking</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana\|Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana\|Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana]]:'''

	Prabhupāda: No, that I asked him. Actually the idea is in the society as it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. The guṇas are there. Just like naturally one is taking education just to become a politician, one is taking education how to become a high character saintly person. That natural inclination is already there, but that is not being properly harnessed. Therefore a regular educational institution should be there where proper training of brāhmaṇa, proper training of kṣatriya, vaiśya, must be given. These four divisions must remain there. And the, so far the brahminical culture, that must be there. Otherwise you cannot say that you become moralist. Where is the example of moralist? A section of person must be there, fully moralist. That ideal section is now lacking.		Prabhupāda: No, that I asked him. Actually the idea is in the society as it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. The guṇas are there. Just like naturally one is taking education just to become a politician, one is taking education how to become a high character saintly person. That natural inclination is already there, but that is not being properly harnessed. Therefore a regular educational institution should be there where proper training of brāhmaṇa, proper training of kṣatriya, vaiśya, must be given. These four divisions must remain there. And the, so far the brahminical culture, that must be there. Otherwise you cannot say that you become moralist. Where is the example of moralist? A section of person must be there, fully moralist. That ideal section is now lacking.</div>
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	=== 1976 Conversations and Morning Walks ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3></div>

	~~'''~~Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men~~'''~~		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit" link_text="Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit">
			<div class="heading">Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit\|Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit\|Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit]]:'''

	Prabhupāda: Ideal. Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men. And do your personal advancement. But that much.... If people come, it's all right. Otherwise, we must make our own life successful.		Prabhupāda: Ideal. Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men. And do your personal advancement. But that much.... If people come, it's all right. Otherwise, we must make our own life successful.</div>
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	~~'''~~At the present moment, there is no ideal section~~'''~~		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)" link_text="Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)">
			<div class="heading">At the present moment, there is no ideal section</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)\|Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)\|Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)]]:'''

	Prabhupāda: Positive engagement is devotional service. So if they are attracted by devotional service, other things will be automatically "no." Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. Just like Ekādaśī day. Ekādaśī day, we observe fasting. And there are many patients in the hospital, they are also fasting. But they'll "No, no." They'll, within heart, "If I get, I shall eat, I shall eat." But those who are devotee, they voluntarily "no." The same fasting is going on for the devotees and the hospital patient. And that "no" and this "no," there is difference. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 9.59]. It is not meant for the mass of people, but at least if we keep a section of people ideal to the human society, they will be guided. At the present moment, there is no ideal section. Everyone is rascal, demons, rogues, everything. There is no ideal character. All politicians, scientists, leaders, they are all drunkards and woman-hunters. So what they can lead? There is no ideal man in the society.		Prabhupāda: Positive engagement is devotional service. So if they are attracted by devotional service, other things will be automatically "no." Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. Just like Ekādaśī day. Ekādaśī day, we observe fasting. And there are many patients in the hospital, they are also fasting. But they'll "No, no." They'll, within heart, "If I get, I shall eat, I shall eat." But those who are devotee, they voluntarily "no." The same fasting is going on for the devotees and the hospital patient. And that "no" and this "no," there is difference. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 9.59]. It is not meant for the mass of people, but at least if we keep a section of people ideal to the human society, they will be guided. At the present moment, there is no ideal section. Everyone is rascal, demons, rogues, everything. There is no ideal character. All politicians, scientists, leaders, they are all drunkards and woman-hunters. So what they can lead? There is no ideal man in the society.</div>
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	=== 1977 Conversations and Morning Walks ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3></div>

	~~'''~~There must be an ideal section~~'''~~		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara">
			<div class="heading">There must be an ideal section</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara\|Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara\|Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]:'''

	Prabhupāda: No. You cannot expect cent percent will be sinless. But there must be an ideal section—"Oh, here is..." That is wanted. That is wanted, not that you can expect cent percent ideal.		Prabhupāda: No. You cannot expect cent percent will be sinless. But there must be an ideal section—"Oh, here is..." That is wanted. That is wanted, not that you can expect cent percent ideal.</div>
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	== Correspondence ==		<div class="section" id="Correspondence" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2></div>

	=== 1974 Correspondence ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1974_Correspondence" text="1974 Correspondence"><h3>1974 Correspondence</h3></div>

	~~'''~~To educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society~~'''~~		<div class="quote" book="Let" link="Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974" link_text="Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974">
			<div class="heading">To educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LET-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974\|Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974]]:''' There are many departmental institutions for giving education just like medical, engineering, legal, administrative etc. But there is no educational institution where real ideal Brahmanas are educated according to Srimad-Bhagavatam brahminical culture, or to educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society. At the present moment all over the world, hardly you will find such ideal men on top of society. So this class of men is essentially required if we want to keep peace and harmony with one another.		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974\|Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974]]:''' There are many departmental institutions for giving education just like medical, engineering, legal, administrative etc. But there is no educational institution where real ideal Brahmanas are educated according to Srimad-Bhagavatam brahminical culture, or to educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society. At the present moment all over the world, hardly you will find such ideal men on top of society. So this class of men is essentially required if we want to keep peace and harmony with one another.</div>
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Visnu Murti at 14:23, 6 January 2009

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== Conversations and Morning Walks ==

=== 1975 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''That ideal section is now lacking'''

'''[[Vanisource:Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana|Conversation with Governor -- April 20, 1975, Vrndavana]]:'''

Prabhupāda: No, that I asked him. Actually the idea is in the society as it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. The guṇas are there. Just like naturally one is taking education just to become a politician, one is taking education how to become a high character saintly person. That natural inclination is already there, but that is not being properly harnessed. Therefore a regular educational institution should be there where proper training of brāhmaṇa, proper training of kṣatriya, vaiśya, must be given. These four divisions must remain there. And the, so far the brahminical culture, that must be there. Otherwise you cannot say that you become moralist. Where is the example of moralist? A section of person must be there, fully moralist. That ideal section is now lacking.

=== 1976 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men'''

'''[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit|Garden Conversation -- June 14, 1976, Detroit]]:'''

Prabhupāda: Ideal. Let there be an ideal section, our people, our men. And do your personal advancement. But that much.... If people come, it's all right. Otherwise, we must make our own life successful.

'''At the present moment, there is no ideal section'''

'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)|Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)]]:'''

Prabhupāda: Positive engagement is devotional service. So if they are attracted by devotional service, other things will be automatically "no." Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. Just like Ekādaśī day. Ekādaśī day, we observe fasting. And there are many patients in the hospital, they are also fasting. But they'll "No, no." They'll, within heart, "If I get, I shall eat, I shall eat." But those who are devotee, they voluntarily "no." The same fasting is going on for the devotees and the hospital patient. And that "no" and this "no," there is difference. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 9.59]. It is not meant for the mass of people, but at least if we keep a section of people ideal to the human society, they will be guided. At the present moment, there is no ideal section. Everyone is rascal, demons, rogues, everything. There is no ideal character. All politicians, scientists, leaders, they are all drunkards and woman-hunters. So what they can lead? There is no ideal man in the society.

=== 1977 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''There must be an ideal section'''

'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Morning Walk -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]:'''

Prabhupāda: No. You cannot expect cent percent will be sinless. But there must be an ideal section—"Oh, here is..." That is wanted. That is wanted, not that you can expect cent percent ideal.

== Correspondence ==

=== 1974 Correspondence ===

'''To educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society'''

'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974|Letter to Acarya Prabhakar Mishra -- Bombay 1 May, 1974]]:''' There are many departmental institutions for giving education just like medical, engineering, legal, administrative etc. But there is no educational institution where real ideal Brahmanas are educated according to Srimad-Bhagavatam brahminical culture, or to educate a certain section as ideal, perfect persons is essential in human society. At the present moment all over the world, hardly you will find such ideal men on top of society. So this class of men is essentially required if we want to keep peace and harmony with one another.

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Stritama at 06:51, 20 December 2012

Visnu Murti at 14:23, 6 January 2009