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	== Conversations and Morning Walks ==		<div class="section" id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2></div>

	=== 1972 Conversations and Morning Walks ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~British government changed the whole policy how the Hindu will think everything mentioned in the śāstra is nonsense. They have trained up, and Nehru is the first-class trainee.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Con" link="Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana">
			<div class="heading">British government changed the whole policy how the Hindu will think everything mentioned in the śāstra is nonsense. They have trained up, and Nehru is the first-class trainee.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~CON-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana\|Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana]]:'''		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana\|Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana]]:'''

	Guru dāsa: If I was the Western government and you handed the most perfect knowledge to me, I would knight you also, in the name of myself. Certainly I would knight you.		Guru dāsa: If I was the Western government and you handed the most perfect knowledge to me, I would knight you also, in the name of myself. Certainly I would knight you.
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	Dr. Kapoor: Otherwise they would not be scholars.		Dr. Kapoor: Otherwise they would not be scholars.

	Prabhupāda: No. Otherwise they will not be scholars.</~~span~~>		Prabhupāda: No. Otherwise they will not be scholars.</div>
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	== Correspondence ==		<div class="section" id="Correspondence" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2></div>

	=== 1969 Correspondence ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1969_Correspondence" text="1969 Correspondence"><h3>1969 Correspondence</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~We preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Let" link="Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969" link_text="Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969">
			<div class="heading">We preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LET-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969\|Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969]]:''' It is important that we preach the message of Krishna Consciousness exactly as we have heard it from our Spiritual Master. The same philosophy and spirit must be there exactly. Just like we preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969\|Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969]]:''' It is important that we preach the message of Krishna Consciousness exactly as we have heard it from our Spiritual Master. The same philosophy and spirit must be there exactly. Just like we preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.</div>
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	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee. ~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Let" link="Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969" link_text="Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969">
			<div class="heading">Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LET-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969\|Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969]]:''' Regarding brahmacaris, two may go there immediately, but how will transportation be arranged? They may also be required to arrange for money deposited in the bank to show the immigration department. That is one impediment, and also you yourselves are all scattered, so how shall you accommodate them? Your work is already hampered by no suitable living places, so if two more join you, what is the benefit? Another point is that what is the difficulty of the newcomers getting trained by you who are all elderly members. From other centers, practically every day someone sends his beads, along with letter of appreciation and some money for initial expenses. I chant on his beads and return them to him as initiated student. Why don't you follow this same principle? If these boys are serious, let them be initiated, and follow the rules, and whatever guidance you can give them they should accept. It is not good idea to invite brahmacaris for training some other brahmacaris in London when there are six already present there. If you cannot train them, how can you take it for granted that someone from here can? Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee. Anyway, when you secure a larger place to accommodate everyone, you will have as many brahmacaris as you want, and I shall arrange for that. I can send even Purusottama, who is personally assisting me, provided it helps your propaganda there. Similarly I can ask Subala or someone else, so that is not a problem.</~~span~~>		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969\|Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969]]:''' Regarding brahmacaris, two may go there immediately, but how will transportation be arranged? They may also be required to arrange for money deposited in the bank to show the immigration department. That is one impediment, and also you yourselves are all scattered, so how shall you accommodate them? Your work is already hampered by no suitable living places, so if two more join you, what is the benefit? Another point is that what is the difficulty of the newcomers getting trained by you who are all elderly members. From other centers, practically every day someone sends his beads, along with letter of appreciation and some money for initial expenses. I chant on his beads and return them to him as initiated student. Why don't you follow this same principle? If these boys are serious, let them be initiated, and follow the rules, and whatever guidance you can give them they should accept. It is not good idea to invite brahmacaris for training some other brahmacaris in London when there are six already present there. If you cannot train them, how can you take it for granted that someone from here can? Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee. Anyway, when you secure a larger place to accommodate everyone, you will have as many brahmacaris as you want, and I shall arrange for that. I can send even Purusottama, who is personally assisting me, provided it helps your propaganda there. Similarly I can ask Subala or someone else, so that is not a problem.</div>
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	=== 1973 Correspondence ~~===~~		<div class="sub_section" id="1973_Correspondence" text="1973 Correspondence"><h3>1973 Correspondence</h3></div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~q_heading~~">~~'''~~The occupation should be listed as student-trainee or some such thing but not minister or preacher.~~'''~~</~~span~~>		<div class="quote" book="Let" link="Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973" link_text="Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973">
			<div class="heading">The occupation should be listed as student-trainee or some such thing but not minister or preacher.</div>

	<~~span~~ class="~~LET-statistics~~">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973\|Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973]]:''' I have requested our Delhi Temple President Sriman Tejyas das Adhikari to find out the best way how these men can come to India and not be bothered by visa difficulties after coming. He has written me as follows:		<div class="text">'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973\|Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973]]:''' I have requested our Delhi Temple President Sriman Tejyas das Adhikari to find out the best way how these men can come to India and not be bothered by visa difficulties after coming. He has written me as follows:

	*1. Entry visas for one year should be applied for and triplicate carbon copies sent to me and I will follow up here in pushing it through.		*1. Entry visas for one year should be applied for and triplicate carbon copies sent to me and I will follow up here in pushing it through.
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	*4. The entry visa should be multiple entry.		*4. The entry visa should be multiple entry.

	So please do the needful in correspondence with Tejyas das and Tamala Krishna Goswami, so that these fifty men may come here as soon as possible. One thing is that British Commonwealth citizens do not require visas for entering India, so if some of the men coming are from these zones that will make it easier.</~~span~~>		So please do the needful in correspondence with Tejyas das and Tamala Krishna Goswami, so that these fifty men may come here as soon as possible. One thing is that British Commonwealth citizens do not require visas for entering India, so if some of the men coming are from these zones that will make it easier.</div>
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== Conversations and Morning Walks ==

=== 1972 Conversations and Morning Walks ===

'''British government changed the whole policy how the Hindu will think everything mentioned in the śāstra is nonsense. They have trained up, and Nehru is the first-class trainee.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- March 12, 1972, Vrndavana]]:'''

Guru dāsa: If I was the Western government and you handed the most perfect knowledge to me, I would knight you also, in the name of myself. Certainly I would knight you.

Prabhupāda: So Rādhā-kuṇḍa Mukerjee, he has supported cow slaughter. He was given a post, made a parliament member first of all. So this poor man, five hundred rupees per month, he accepted. Then he induced that "You take more money, write like this." So if you pay money... British government's whole policy was that if the Indians are kept strict Hindus, it is next to impossible to govern them. So therefore they adopted this policy. They changed the whole policy how the Hindu will think everything mentioned in the śāstra is nonsense. They have trained up, and Nehru is the first-class trainee. Everything mentioned in the śāstra, the Arya-samaj, they also wrote Saptartha (indistinct), so many. And Dr. Radhakrishnan also. All the scholars, they would never mention any śāstra more than once within one thousand years. That means...

Dr. Kapoor: Otherwise they would not be scholars.

Prabhupāda: No. Otherwise they will not be scholars.

== Correspondence ==

=== 1969 Correspondence ===

'''We preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969|Letter to Sivananda -- Los Angeles 23 January, 1969]]:''' It is important that we preach the message of Krishna Consciousness exactly as we have heard it from our Spiritual Master. The same philosophy and spirit must be there exactly. Just like we preach in this country exactly as we have heard from our Spiritual Master, but there are changes due to the time, circumstances, and the trainees. The spirit of the disciplic succession may not be changed, but there may be adjustments made to suit the special circumstances.

'''Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee. '''

'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969|Letter to Syamasundara -- New Vrindaban 3 June, 1969]]:''' Regarding brahmacaris, two may go there immediately, but how will transportation be arranged? They may also be required to arrange for money deposited in the bank to show the immigration department. That is one impediment, and also you yourselves are all scattered, so how shall you accommodate them? Your work is already hampered by no suitable living places, so if two more join you, what is the benefit? Another point is that what is the difficulty of the newcomers getting trained by you who are all elderly members. From other centers, practically every day someone sends his beads, along with letter of appreciation and some money for initial expenses. I chant on his beads and return them to him as initiated student. Why don't you follow this same principle? If these boys are serious, let them be initiated, and follow the rules, and whatever guidance you can give them they should accept. It is not good idea to invite brahmacaris for training some other brahmacaris in London when there are six already present there. If you cannot train them, how can you take it for granted that someone from here can? Training is not imposition. It is voluntary accept by the trainee. Anyway, when you secure a larger place to accommodate everyone, you will have as many brahmacaris as you want, and I shall arrange for that. I can send even Purusottama, who is personally assisting me, provided it helps your propaganda there. Similarly I can ask Subala or someone else, so that is not a problem.

=== 1973 Correspondence ===

'''The occupation should be listed as student-trainee or some such thing but not minister or preacher.'''

'''[[Vanisource:Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973|Letter to Karandhara -- Bombay 4 October, 1973]]:''' I have requested our Delhi Temple President Sriman Tejyas das Adhikari to find out the best way how these men can come to India and not be bothered by visa difficulties after coming. He has written me as follows:

*1. Entry visas for one year should be applied for and triplicate carbon copies sent to me and I will follow up here in pushing it through.

*2. The occupation should be listed as student-trainee or some such thing but not minister or preacher.

*3. I should get a complete list of the devotees by Karmi name, spiritual name, and all details such as Passport number and issue date, previous visits to India, etc.

*4. The entry visa should be multiple entry.

So please do the needful in correspondence with Tejyas das and Tamala Krishna Goswami, so that these fifty men may come here as soon as possible. One thing is that British Commonwealth citizens do not require visas for entering India, so if some of the men coming are from these zones that will make it easier.