Śyāmasundara: "A Rival for Nelson."
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Śyāmasundara: "A Rival for Nelson."
Prabhupāda: Yes. There was newspaper photograph. You have seen that?
Śyāmasundara: Guardian.
Prabhupāda: Guardian. "A Rival for Nelson." Yes.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Well, the Western countries are mostly concerned with economics, money, wealth . . .
Prabhupāda: No, that is . . .
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: It's about the same as . . .
Prabhupāda: That, that they can continue. But the spirit of Vedic culture should be accepted. It is not that because one has to accept the Vedic culture, he has to stop industry or material progress. Not like that. Bhagavad-gītā does not teach that. Simply to change the consciousness. Therefore we have named the Society "Kṛṣṇa Consciousness." One has to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be adjusted.
Not the mode of life should be changed. Little change. Just like we recommend that four things should be avoided: illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. So to give up these four kinds of activities, which are considered to be sinful, that is not very difficult. That is not very difficult.
These English and, I mean to say, European and American boys, they are young men. They have given up. So in this society, if there is prevalence of sinful activities, then there will be reaction. So these four things are considered sinful activities: illicit sex, meat . . . unecessarily killing of animals, and intoxication and gambling. Yatra pāpas catur-vidhaḥ. These are four kinds of sinful activities. So Vedic civilization means they should be freed from the sinful activities. Then other things will automatically come.