Prabhupāda: What is called?
Harikeśa: Prophylactic.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Harikeśa: A prophylactic.
Prabhupāda: Not prophylactic. Technical name. So . . . but that was not enjoyable. So then they discovered pills. So covered enjoyment is not enjoyment. It is not complete enjoyment. The same . . . the real enjoyment in this material world is sex. Now if we want to enjoy sex covered with coats and pants, is that enjoyment is pleasing?
Harikeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: Therefore actually, when they want to enjoy sex in the private room, they become naked. So they are seeking enjoyment with this material body, but they are not able to enjoy on account of being covered. This is the thesis.
Harikeśa: Hmm. This is the Kṛṣṇa conscious thesis.
Prabhupāda: Well, why do you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness immediately? From practical point of view. So why they want to enjoy sex life being naked? That means covered enjoyment is not enjoyment. It is hampered enjoyment. Therefore we living entities, or, say, human being, we want enjoyment. That's all right. But we are not able to enjoy fully because we are covered by something. This is the thesis. This is the thesis. But these rascals, or the ignorant person, they do not know that, "I am covered by something; therefore my enjoyment is not complete." This is the thesis. So you answer this. Our enjoyment is not being completed on account of being covered by this material body. This is the thesis.
Harikeśa: So the antithesis would be there is no . . .
Prabhupāda: The antithesis will be how to become uncovered. That is antithesis. And the synthesis will be that because we are unable to uncover immediately, therefore must be some synthesis.