Dr. Patel: All these sādhus: satyam, śaucam, abhaya, śānti, and all these things . . .
Prabhupāda: But sādhu . . . they are sādhu because they are Kṛṣṇa conscious. Sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ (BG 9.30). Api cet sudurācaraḥ. Their case is different. But others, they are all asādha, asādhu. Kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāh (SB 5.18.12). A man may be materially, academically very advanced, but Bhāgavata says, kuto mahad-guṇāh. Because he is not devotee, harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāh. "Why? They have got so many qualifications; still, they are not great personality?" No. "Why?" Mano-rathena asato dhāvato bahiḥ: "They will only act on their mental platform, speculate." No facts. The fact is that he is soul. He has to change this body. That they have forgotten, and making big, big plan. This is . . . Prahlāda Mahārāja regrets, śoce tato vimukha-cetasaḥ māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43): "I am thinking of these rascals, fools." Māyā-sukhāya: "For māyā-sukha," means this false or illusory happiness, "they are making some huge, gorgeous arrangement."
Dr. Patel: That is all because of the body consciousness of a man thinking himself the body and not the soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Somebody has constructed big, big, big building, but he does not think that how long he will be able to enjoy it. After this body he has to change.
Dr. Patel: That is . . . in Mahābhārata there is one śloka. I don't remember the exact Sanskrit wording, but Yudhiṣṭhira said that he so much . . . I mean, he cannot understand why people see every day people dying outside, but they don't think about that they are going to die . . .
Prabhupāda: Kim āścāryam ataḥ param. Kim āścāryam ataḥ param.
Dr. Patel: Ah, that's right.