Harikeśa: How does one stop cheating in a world of cheats?
Prabhupāda: This material world is meant for cheating. You cheat, and others will cheat you. That's all. This is material world. It is not "how?" If you inquire, "How it is cold?". . . The season is cold; there is no question of how. The place is for cheating and cheaters. So there is no question, "How it is cheating?"
Harikeśa: So you can't stop the cold.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: You can't stop the cheaters.
Prabhupāda: No. Yes, it is not possible. But you can do everything by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the advantage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi (BG 18.66). You cannot get out of sinful action, but Kṛṣṇa can do it. Therefore He says, "I'll get you released." You cannot get released; therefore He says, "I'll do that."
Harikeśa: So bringing it to a practical platform . . .
Prabhupāda: Practical means it will be done by Kṛṣṇa. Your only business is to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. You cannot do anything. And as soon as you think that, "I shall be able to do it," then you are a rascal. Immediately you are rascal.
Harikeśa: So only a fully surrendered soul can do everything perfectly.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Harikeśa: A fully surrendered soul is the only one who can do things perfectly.
Prabhupāda: He cannot do anything, even in his . . . Everything is to be done by Kṛṣṇa. But he has to apply his intelligence by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Even if he is intelligent, he cannot do anything.
Harikeśa: Except surrender.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He can surrender, and Kṛṣṇa will do everything. You have to act very sincerely under the direction of Kṛṣṇa, and then the war will be successful, as Arjuna did.
Harikeśa: So imperfect activity is a sign of lack of surrender.
Prabhupāda: Yes.