Devotee (1): In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it says that Kṛṣṇa does not want us to come to this world, become under the external energy. So why are we here?
Madhudviṣa: (explaining) The question was that in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which is a scripture that we study, it says that Kṛṣṇa did not want us to come to this world. The question is, if Kṛṣṇa did not want, why are we here?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You forced Kṛṣṇa to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces the father. Father says: "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, "Father, I must go. I must go." "All right, you go at your risk." That's all. And you suffer. What can be done? Because you are son of God—God has got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that, "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says: "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy. Beginning from Lord Brahmā down to the worms in the stool, gradually, according to your work, according to your desire, you manufacture your different types of body and enjoy and suffer. That's all. That is explained. Prakṛti-stho hi bhuṅkte prakṛti-jān guṇān. And as soon as you . . . entangled in different types of punishment, not enjoyment but punishment.