Devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, if Kṛṣṇa is everywhere, why do we stress the importance of living a very strict life in the temple atmosphere?
Prabhupāda: But have you got the eyes to see Kṛṣṇa everywhere?
Devotee (1): No, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Then you must attention give to temple. When you have got the eyes to see Kṛṣṇa everywhere, you may not require temple worship. But why do you try to imitate that? You have no eyes to see that. Yes.
Devotee (2): Śrīla Prabhupāda, you mentioned three states of identification. One was like the animals. What was the other two?
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Devotee (2): One was to identify with the body as the self, like the animal. And then you mentioned . . . you said there were three altogether.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Bodily conception, mental conception and spiritual conception. When one is ignorant, he is like animal. When he is farther advanced, he is a philosopher. And when he is farther advanced, he is a devotee. These are the three different stages: like animal, like philosopher and like devotee. So when you think like devotee, that is perfection. And you think that "I am American," "I am Indian"—that is animal. So it is according to the advancement of one's life. There are three stages: animal conception, mental conception and spiritual conception. So spiritual conception is perfect, all-perfect.