Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I just . . . I read that recently in an anthropology book, that 3000 B.C., means five thousand years ago, everyone was living in . . . especially in this part of the world, people were simply living in caves.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: English propaganda.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: English propaganda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They had very crude tools for making their things. Practically they were all like animals.
Prabhupāda: So how this literature came?
Hari-śauri: Well, they say that it's not older than 1,000, 1,500 years old.
Prabhupāda: One thousand . . . but where are other literatures like that, 1,500 years, in Europe and other places?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No such thing.
Prabhupāda: So only the literatures were here in India?
Pañcadravida: No, they have them. They also have mythology in Greece, and Roman mythology too.
Prabhupāda: Mythology maybe, but so purposeful verses, where is in other country?
Pañcadravida: Nowhere.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Balavanta: Bhagavad-gītā's philosophy . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pañcadravida: That they can't match anywhere.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How can a caveman make it, then?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Trivikrama: Each verse, so . . .
Prabhupāda: Each rich . . . is it impossible to compose verses by the cavemen? How foolish they are. Not only that, in Mahābhārata there are 100,000 verses. In Bhāgavata, there are 18,000 verses. In the Purāṇas . . . where is such rich literature? If they were cavemen, wherefrom this literature came?
Satsvarūpa: They also said Kṛṣṇa was a tribal chief. But how could He speak such philosophy?
Prabhupāda: How rascal they are.
Pañcadravida: There are a few flaws in the theory. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: The best class of men, the Āryans, and they were worshiping a tribal chief. And what was Arjuna? He was also a tribal chief? Arjuna said that, "I become Your disciple." So what was he, that he is submitting to a tribal chief? Śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam (BG 2.7). And He's teaching Bhagavad-gītā?
Lokanātha: Which is being read after five thousand years.
Prabhupāda: And still, they cannot assimilate it, so much so-called civilized men, they cannot understand even the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.3), that there is transmigration of the soul, these rascals. And who is tribal chief?
Haṁsadūta: Just to master the language takes twelve years.
Prabhupāda: Yes.