Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...is like this, that he thinks both are the same?
Prabhupāda: He thinks, but it... It is not the fact.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: One is covered consciousness, matter. So it is inferior.
Prabhupāda: The covering matter is inferior.
Śatadhanya: How the Māyāvādī thinks that he can..., that the material energy is false when at every step he's baffled by the material energy?
Prabhupāda: That is his foolishness. Therefore Kṛṣṇa instructs, but he does not take. He wants to remain in māyā and at the same time claim that he is liberated.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Also, modern science tries to compromise... I'm sorry: Māyāvādīs try to compromise with modern science.
Prabhupāda: There is no other way. They cannot make a solution, so they must try to make a compromise.