Lady guest (2): If we are given a body, or rather if our purpose is to return to Kṛṣṇa in this body, why are we born on this earth, and why do we have a body if we only have to go back to Him?
Prabhupāda: When you go to Kṛṣṇa you have a body, but that is spiritual body. That is not material.
Lady guest (2): But why are we given this body, to live here?
Prabhupāda: Because you wanted to enjoy this material world. Therefore . . . in the spiritual world, the enjoyer is Kṛṣṇa.
- bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ
- sarva-loka-maheśvaram
- suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
- (BG 5.29)
He is the only enjoyer. But as soon as you desire that you want to enjoy independent of Kṛṣṇa, you are transferred to this material world.
Lady guest (2): But where do we get all our passions from, anyway? They have to be born, don't they?
Prabhupāda: No, you have got the . . . because you are part and parcel of God, so God is the complete enjoyer. So you have also that spirit to enjoy. But when you forget this principle that you cannot enjoy independently, you can enjoy along with Kṛṣṇa—then you are perfect.