Dr. Hauser: But some of this cheating, as you call it, must have . . . have still been a great use to mankind, because it has not been proven at the time, when this theory has been evoked by some scientist, it has not been proven that he's right, but he works according to this principle that he has got, and then later . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. That, that is explained in Bhāgavatam that in the jungle one big animal is the leader of other animals. That's all. But they're animals. Is it not?
Dr. Hauser: But I don't really understand.
Prabhupāda: In the jungle, in the forest . . .
Dr. Hauser: Yes.
Prabhupāda: . . . the lion is considered to be the king of animals. So lion is also animal, only big animal. That's all.
Dr. Hauser: So you mean the scientist is a big lion.
Prabhupāda: Yes. A big rascal. (laughter) That's it. A big rascal. A big rascal is eulogized by small rascals. That's all.
Dr. Hauser: Seducing a small rascal.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Hauser: Seducing a small rascal.
Prabhupāda: Another small rascal. This is the position. Everything is going on like that. Not only in science, philosophy, religion, sociology, politics. The, a big rascal and small rascal. That's all.
Dr. Hauser: But you must evoke quite a lot of feelings when you say, for example, that Einstein was a very big rascal.
Prabhupāda: No. He believed in God. Yes. He believed in God. He was not a rascal. A sane man.
Paramahaṁsa: Carl Jung also.