Hanumān: Man was always on this planet.
Prabhupāda: May not be in this planet, but there was always. Because just like in New Zealand, there was no men . . . (indistinct) . . . the Europeans came later on. So it was not so full of life, but there was a class of men. All others, animals, were there, trees were there.
Indian Guest: But so many . . . (indistinct) . . . have a high temperature of fifty million centigrade, and it does not remain in solid or liquid form. It becomes a gas, a vapor, completely. Now how . . .?
Prabhupāda: Therefore gaseous body.
Indian Guest: Gaseous body. That is what I mean; there must be some gaseous body.
Hanumān: And the scientists, they also say that in twenty-five years from now, whatever they contrive to do they will not be able to feed all the people of this planet. They can try to . . .
Prabhupāda: At the end of it, everything has changed; therefore they can speak.
Hanumān: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: So they have got this loophole. They can speak any nonsense. They will adjust, "Oh, it has changed." That's all.
Woman devotee: One time they believed that the world was flat. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: And the man was hanged who said it is round. That was their perfect knowledge. So we have to believe such perfect knowledge. When they say it has changed . . . their position. We cannot accept such knowledge. It changes every twenty-five years. (break) But we see . . . (break)
Indian Guest: . . . moon does not have its own light. It is a reflection of sunlight.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is . . . and in the Bhagavad-gītā it states, nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁśaśī (BG 10.21).
Hanumān: Hmm, yes.
Prabhupāda: So this moon planet is one of the stars, illuminated . . . (indistinct) . . . we are getting moonlight at night, but if the earth is also reflecting like that, what is the use of moonlight?