Prabhupāda: You have also caste system in the Western countries. You are not without caste system. There is a priestly class. So there are politicians, there are industrialists, merchants, and ordinary laborer. Where is . . .? How you can say there is no caste system in the Western countries?
Jayadharma: But there may be the clergymen and the mercantile class and the soldiers and the laborers in this particular society, but this society is breaking away from that, because they are not recognizing the clergy class of men because nobody is going to church, nor is anybody giving any money to the church these days. This is why many churches . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. First of all think that you say that your charge is "You are introducing caste system." But the Hindu caste system is already there. How do you say that I am introducing? That is my point.
Jayadharma: That is my foolishness.
Prabhupāda: (laughing lightly) You cannot say that I have introduced it. It is already there. As it is there in India, it is also everywhere. It may be under different names. The four classes are already there, everywhere. The . . . even in Muslim, they have also got the priests, what is called, maulānas (Urdu muslim priest), maulāna, priestly class. They have got. We are introducing the systematic caste system, but caste system is already there, everywhere. Maybe under different names. And it is necessary. The caste system is there as a matter of necessity. You cannot abolish it. But it is now existing in a deformed manner. People should be systematic and organized. That we are trying to do. Not that a new thing we are trying to introduce. It is already there. Our proposition is that, "You priestly class, you must act exactly a priest, ideal priest. You are a drunkard, you are woman-hunter, you are doing everything nonsense, and at the same time you are passing on as priest. This should be stopped." This should be stopped. The priestly class, or the brāhmaṇas, they should be trained up to become truthful, how to control mind, how to control senses, tolerant, and very learned, knowing God also—these things are required. They should be the first-class, ideal men.