Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So someone who is in knowledge and commits sinful activity . . .
Prabhupāda: Then he's . . .
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: . . . his position is very bad . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: . . . compared to the innocent person, ignorant person.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14).
Rāmeśvara: But then again he argues like this. He says: "The living entity cannot do anything without the sanction of God. So I am desiring certain sinful activities, but why is Kṛṣṇa sanctioning it?"
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa does not sanction.
Rāmeśvara: Then how is it going on?
Prabhupāda: But you insist, so Kṛṣṇa, in disgust, says: "All right, do at your own risk. You rascal. You will not hear Me." That's all. I have given this example many times, that my son wanted to touch the table fan. Did I say it?
Rāmeśvara: I never heard it.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So, when he was only two years old, so the table fan was running, and the child, he wants to touch it. So I am, "No, don't touch." So, and he was . . . so there was another friend, he was a doctor. He said that, "Slow the speed and let him touch." So I did it. So he touched, "Tung." Then I said: "Touch again?" "No!" (laughter) So it is like that.
Rāmeśvara: Oh. It is actually Kṛṣṇa's mercy . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: . . . that He allows him to feel the pain.
Prabhupāda: Yes.